Intel X599 Chipset to Drive 28-core HEDT+ Platform

[HD64G]

All will depend on price of the platform as a whole. If 8 channel ram with motherboard and cpu cost 2-3 times a 2990WX pc, even being 30% faster will do nothing for intel's market share imho.

 

[Captain_Tom]

By the time this overpriced monstrosity is out, AMD will be near launching a 2-die version of their 32-core with Ryzen 3 Threadripper. It will cost $2000, it won't have the latency issues the 4-die version has, and DDR4 will hopefully be cheap enough to get 3600MHz+ as standard by then.

Intel is continuing to fight old battles they already lost...

 

[halcyon]

This silliness is all just a place holder until next year's PCIe 4.0 and new manufacturing processes.

 

[nemesis.ie]

Or will it be PCIe 5? Or are AMD going to wait until 2020 and the AM4 socket replacement?

 

[StrayKAT]

Or will it be PCIe 5?

That's what I heard, but I agree with the sentiment. I didn't even want to upgrade to what I have now (x299), but I was forced to get a machine at this time anyways.

 

[Dr_b_]

If this ever does come to market, it will run very hot, have shitty thermal paste, and be an overpriced joke

 

[eidairaman1]

Or will it be PCIe 5? Or are AMD going to wait until 2020 and the AM4 socket replacement?

They are counting it as Generating 5 Ryzen.

 

[R-T-B]

Not to be a party pooper, but 666/616 was just code for Nero Caesar, not Satan

Shh don't ruin the irrational fear...

 

[GreiverBlade]

Not to be a party pooper, but 666/616 was just code for Nero Caesar, not Satan

nah ... 666 is the code for my Nicholas Saint day, which incidentally is also mine then: 6 (6+6)12 (well at last both, i and Nero Cesar are non fictional character and yep St Nicholas of Myra did also really exist )
and 616 is only the code for the 167/168th day of the year

ohhh how i am quite proud of AMD CPU side recently ... well not with Threadripper ... since i am more gaming than encoding ... so a R6/7 2600X/700X would be enough ... specially for the price

also good to see Intel reacting tho ... well ... less interesting at the moment

 

[eidairaman1]

nah ... 666 is the code for my Nicholas Saint day, which incidentally is also mine then: 6 (6+6)12 (well at last both, i and Nero Cesar are non fictional character and yep St Nicholas of Myra did also really exist )
and 616 is only the code for the 167/168th day of the year

ohhh how i am quite proud of AMD CPU side recently ... well not with Threadripper ... since i am more gaming than encoding ... so a R6/7 2600X/700X would be enough ... specially for the price

also good to see Intel reacting tho ... well ... less interesting at the moment

2950X 4.4

 

[StrayKAT]

nah ... 666 is the code for my Nicholas Saint day, which incidentally is also mine then: 6 (6+6)12 (well at last both, i and Nero Cesar are non fictional character and yep St Nicholas of Myra did also really exist )
and 616 is only the code for the 167/168th day of the year

ohhh how i am quite proud of AMD CPU side recently ... well not with Threadripper ... since i am more gaming than encoding ... so a R6/7 2600X/700X would be enough ... specially for the price

also good to see Intel reacting tho ... well ... less interesting at the moment

St Nick was cool. He punched Arius and saved civilization.

We don't hear that one on Christmas much though.

 

[Blueberries]

Rarely do I look at a PC built by someone else and drool...

 

[Nordic]

Why does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?

 

[eidairaman1]

Why does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?

Because Intel wants to undermine everyone that's why

 

[efikkan]

Why does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?

Because it fits their core infrastructure.

 

[Patriot]

Welp, Intel's 5ghz overclock at computex vs AMD's threadripper overclock...

Intel revealed this CPU with a demo at Computex, and Anandtech reports that a system powered by the processor hit a score of 7,334 in the Cinebench R15 benchmark.

2990WX in Cinebench from overclocker Sampson who scored 8532 points in Cinebench R15 with a clock frequency of 5.367 GHz across all 32 cores.

Both drawing insane amounts of power.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Why does intel have to be wierd with a 28 core cpu? Why not a 32 core?

Blunt answer? Because they CAN'T. Due to ammount of transistors required the yields would be extremelly low and price even more ridicullously prohibitive. Also because of their architecture type.
AMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores CPUs making it a 32 Core. Very smart and ingineous aproach.
I bet all billions from Intel's research center that they will going to use the exact approach in the future, especially that 'you know who' joined the party.

 

[efikkan]

Blunt answer? Because they CAN'T. Due to ammount of transistors required the yields would be extremelly low and price even more ridicullously prohibitive. Also because of their architecture type.
AMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores CPUs making it a 32 Core. Very smart and ingineous aproach.
I bet all billions from Intel's research center that they will going to use the exact approach in the future, especially that 'you know who' joined the party.

No, it's because their Skylake-SP die looks like this:

Notice the 6×5 layout, two cells are used for memory controllers, leaving space for 28 cores.

 

[Solaris17]

The epeen and the upgrade path...

That is true, the upgrade path was drastically short, but to date I think this is the way its been for all HEDT playforms from intel (not like AMD has had one up until Zen) only 1366 lasted awhile IIRC. Eitherway, its not like the CPU is useless. Alot of HEDT users (I would hope anyway) outside of the gaming community (which this forum focus' on) hold on to these systems for a long while. IPC improvments etc are nice for sure on any architecture change be it AMD or Intel (Also how long has Zen 1 been out?) but the majority of HEDT users arent in it for clock rate or IPC gain, they need the cores.

I think even back in 1366 the "early" adopters that weren't gamers (that buy like every new platform) didnt jump ship from 1366 until 2011-v3 skipping an entire platform.

Of course thats not to say HEDT users and even myself dont like to game, its just that as far as gaming is concerned I wont need to platform upgrade for YEARS longer then the desktop releases as far as overall usability including gaming.

Thats my take on it anyway. AMDs Zen 2 is killer regardless, super cool.

 

[StrayKAT]

That is true, the upgrade path was drastically short, but to date I think this is the way its been for all HEDT playforms from intel (not like AMD has had one up until Zen) only 1366 lasted awhile IIRC. Eitherway, its not like the CPU is useless. Alot of HEDT users (I would hope anyway) outside of the gaming community (which this forum focus' on) hold on to these systems for a long while. IPC improvments etc are nice for sure on any architecture change be it AMD or Intel (Also how long has Zen 1 been out?) but the majority of HEDT users arent in it for clock rate or IPC gain, they need the cores.

I think even back in 1366 the "early" adopters that weren't gamers (that buy like every new platform) didnt jump ship from 1366 until 2011-v3 skipping an entire platform.

Of course thats not to say HEDT users and even myself dont like to game, its just that as far as gaming is concerned I wont need to platform upgrade for YEARS longer then the desktop releases as far as overall usability including gaming.

Thats my take on it anyway. AMDs Zen 2 is killer regardless, super cool.

HEDT is more stable and slower moving. Like right now, they're based off of Skylake's design. And x99 is still selling at smaller quantities. That's basically 2 cpu generations behind.

I would have been a little more interested in AMD's take on it, but they don't really have a "lowend" of their HEDT line. It's all competing with the highest Skylake-X's.

 

[Solaris17]

It's all competing with the highest Skylake-X's.

Thats true, but I dont blame them one bit, I think AMDs doing great in doing so and its a wise move. I cant say im an AMD guy anymore (not since brisbane) but im not a dick swing Intel dude either. AMDs response with zen 1 and now zen 2 must have made multiple mouths drop.

 

[notb]

Blunt answer? Because they CAN'T. Due to ammount of transistors required the yields would be extremelly low and price even more ridicullously prohibitive.

No. It's a result of die design.

AMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores CPUs making it a 32 Core. Very smart and ingineous aproach.

Simple and cheap approach. It's a design aimed at lowering costs, not improving performance. And it starts to show in 16-32 core benchmarks.

I bet all billions from Intel's research center that they will going to use the exact approach in the future, especially that 'you know who' joined the party.

Zen approach scales badly with high core count. It's very unlikely that Intel makes something similar. Generally speaking: I'll miss ring bus, but Intel Mesh is still acceptable. I guess we have no choice in the "moar cores" era...
Notice how Intel went for 6 memory channels for 28 cores, while AMD remains with 4 channels. This will make a difference.

 

[AlwaysHope]

Intel reacting to AMD using the same model number scheme, and being all like "Two can play that game".

It's so childish, but still gives me a good laugh

x86 desktop market is a monopolized duopoly. There is really no competition here in the true sense of the word. Underworld consumer coercion is the game.

 

[Mussels]

AMD has threadripper
Intel has FuseTripper?

 

[biffzinker]

AMD is using a 4 CPU die connectting 4x8 Cores

Correction it's two quad-core clusters (CCX) per die.
8 cores multiplied by 4 four individual dies on one PCB Substrate.

x86 desktop market is a monopolized duopoly. There is really no competition here in the true sense of the word. Underworld consumer coercion is the game.

There's always VIA that might surprise.