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Invading Subscriber Privacy - Senate Says ISPs Can Now Sell Your Data

evernessince said:
Well aren't you a lovely cup of tea? A defeatist through and though.

FYI regulated doesn't have to mean you give up any of your freedom. In fact the article in question only pertained to the ISP's ABILITY TO SELL YOUR DATA.

Also, the wild west turned into California, Nveda, ect. Last I checked, the only freedom they gave up in comparison to the wild west was the constant threat of violence. You seems to have one hell of a misconstrued vision of the past.
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Yay, I forced a lurker to post.
 
alucasa said:
Don't care for 2 reasons.

1. I am in Canada.
2. I don't really have much to hide. Well, I've got my porn collection but most men do. I hardly use torrents, either. I pay for what I download.
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Its not about porn. The key problem here is how this all works. Porn / Banking / SS # etc all that info is obtained by the ISP and can be sold. The damning problem isnt that by itself its the fact US companies can be hacked and not tell you if they turn the data over to the US government they cannot be sued.

This means if your ISP sells your data to a fishy third party and that third party is hacked? Your data is compromised and you cannot sue anyone so your left cleaning up the mess which can get very very expensive. Its basically a law thats a continuation of the running theme that Human beings are essentially a product to be sold. Like mining or folding @ home. ISPs can data mine your net history and sell you as a commodity. The difference is Google or Bing are limited by what you search for to an extent. ISPs know everything. Considering how shitty US ISPs are. lol its gonna be fun. Now this issue has been around awhile its just now ppl are realizing whats going on. Its just in the USA we now have an environment where you pretty much can't protect your privacy period unless going back to the dark ages. Which is todays world is no nearly impossible for most people :roll:

That said it doesnt really matter. If you are in the USA every phone call / email / text goes through the government in some way shape or form. The data is collected by Google / Facebook etc or your unwittingly spied on via webcam / smart TV etc. So in reality who cares. Everyones already snooping on everything you do. Now ISPs can too. Do i personally like that nope but im not giving up net access etc just to avoid the problem.
 
alucasa said:
Yay, I forced a lurker to post.
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Ha, you obviously didn't check my post history. Besides the point that you are obviously trying to stir the pot
 
crazyeyesreaper said:
Its not about porn. The key problem here is how this all works. Porn / Banking / SS # etc all that info is obtained by the ISP and can be sold. The damning problem isnt that by itself its the fact US companies can be hacked and not tell you if they turn the data over to the US government they cannot be sued.

This means if your ISP sells your data to a fishy third party and that third party is hacked? Your data is compromised and you cannot sue anyone so your left cleaning up the mess which can get very very expensive. Its basically a law thats a continuation of the running theme that Human beings are essentially a product to be sold. Like mining or folding @ home. ISPs can data mine your net history and sell you as a commodity. The difference is Google or Bing are limited by what you search for to an extent. ISPs know everything. Considering how shitty US ISPs are. lol its gonna be fun. Now this issue has been around awhile its just now ppl are realizing whats going on. Its just in the USA we now have an environment where you pretty much can't protect your privacy period unless going back to the dark ages. Which is todays world is no nearly impossible for most people :roll:

That said it doesnt really matter. If you are in the USA every phone call / email / text goes through the government in some way shape or form. The data is collected by Google / Facebook etc or your unwittingly spied on via webcam / smart TV etc. So in reality who cares. Everyones already snooping on everything you do. Now ISPs can too. Do i personally like that nope but im not giving up net access etc just to avoid the problem.
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True. However, there are always two sides to a coin. However intrusive it is, sometimes it needs to be done for the sake of the mass. It's always few bad people that ruin for everyone.
I feel such is the case here.

Do you honestly think I agree with such a notion that my personal data is to be manipulated as they please? Hell, no. But is it the end of the world? This perv thinks not.
 
evernessince said:
Well aren't you a lovely cup of tea? A defeatist through and though.

FYI regulated doesn't have to mean you give up any of your freedom. In fact the article in question only pertained to the ISP's ABILITY TO SELL YOUR DATA.

Also, the wild west turned into California, Nveda, ect. Last I checked, the only freedom they gave up in comparison to the wild west was the constant threat of violence. You seems to have one hell of a misconstrued vision of the past.
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So, it's not so bad because they can't sell your data, but their buddies in the private sector who line their pockets can. Hmmm... At least now I understand how these people get voted in.
 
Of course, in the USA parliament sit many old corrupt politician MP who does not know that they are legally allow misuse !!! of data !!!! and thus violated its own Constitution!!!!, Civil Rights !!!. If a tramp does not approve, it will do the next the president . So stooid and corrupt . Future shape of the police state. And now USA will in all countries again inpouse this law so that the FBI had the right to work in foreign countries ! And somebody had does said we are past colonialism. Globalism is nothing more than klonializem. kikasstorrents last victim where the impact of the fall drop on me to .
 
bogami said:
Of course, in the USA parliament sit many old corrupt politician MP who does not know that they are legally allow misuse !!! of data !!!! and thus violated its own Constitution!!!!, Civil Rights !!!. If a tramp does not approve, it will do the next the president . So stooid and corrupt . Future shape of the police state. And now USA will in all countries again inpouse this law so that the FBI had the right to work in foreign countries ! And somebody had does said we are past colonialism. Globalism is nothing more than klonializem. kikasstorrents last victim where the impact of the fall drop on me to .
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Yeah except there's no parliament in the US of A.

This perfectly explains the current POTUS' musings :laugh:
 
alucasa said:
True. However, there are always two sides to a coin. However intrusive it is, sometimes it needs to be done for the sake of the mass. It's always few bad people that ruin for everyone.
I feel such is the case here.

Do you honestly think I agree with such a notion that my personal data is to be manipulated as they please? Hell, no. But is it the end of the world? This perv thinks not.
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Then one has to ask what benefit does this bring to the masses other than a large capacity for harm, or replacing a bunch of red tape that needed to be there and replacing it with a paywall?
 
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alucasa said:
Two lurkers! I am on a roll today!
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A good six of the seven years I've been registered has been inactivity. Not really sure that counts as lurking, Low posts/per day isn't a really good metric to out lurkers. Heck, I was posting I was posting in the thread before you even came in what's not to say that you are the lurker.
 
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Mby Anonymous should leak this Senator's bowser history and see all the dark things he had watched to see if he would like these data out :roll:
 
Totally said:
A good six of the seven years I've been registered has been inactivity. Not really sure that counts as lurking, Low posts/per day isn't a really good metric to out lurkers. Heck, I was posting I was posting in the thread before you even came in what's not to say that you are the lurker.
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Don't bother with him anymore, obvious troll is obvious. He couldn't prove his point so he has devolved into anything he can take a potshot at.

FYI he's not even from America, so he has far less right to talk about this.
 
Slowly but surely, everyone's privacy on the net is being sold out.
 
Haven't had the time to look into this bill. Is this anonymized metadata that is being "sold" off, or uniquely identifiable information on individual users? Fine with the former, much less so with the latter.
 
Aldain said:
I figured Trump would make America great again? ;D
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Yes as Hillery would of been a much better option HAHAHAHAHAHA. The one who says YES to staying with the cheating husbands.,
 
freedom exporter, with surveillance everywhere and now ISP can sell your data to gov,
oh the irony ! you could use some freedom, tho
 
AsRock said:
Yes as Hillery would of been a much better option HAHAHAHAHAHA. The one who says YES to staying with the cheating husbands.,
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Someone mentioned Clinton
*takes a shot*
Someone derailed the discussion
*takes four shots *
Looks at the state of American politics and polite discussion of same
*finishes the bottle and takes a shot to the head*
 
alucasa said:
Don't care for 2 reasons.

1. I am in Canada.
2. I don't really have much to hide. Well, I've got my porn collection but most men do. I hardly use torrents, either. I pay for what I download.
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You should NEVER settle at "I have nothing to hide, so it's fine". It's what got us to such situation. And allowing ISP's to sell your browsing habits is like allowing someone to monitor all your behavior in your own house whether you like it or not. It's scary and you have no way opting out. Lets be honest here, Internet in current age is not a commodity, it's necessity.

And you being Canadian, you should actually be worried even more. Canada has some really scary stuff going on with privacy and censorship. All the crazy feminism thing, people getting sued for wrongthink, banning "islamophobia"...

The fact politicians got the idea of "Hey guys, lets give ISP's power to sell data of our citizens" is insult to intelligence and freedom of their people. It's clear that everyone involved are getting paid really well for it.

And yes, one thing is ISP level and another application level. If one doesn't trust Windows 10 privacy, you still have Linux. Who's going to move to another continent because of internet situation in USA? It's a bit different isn't it? And there is also a trust an control thing. For example, avast! Antivirus collects data as well within it's scope of operation (it's how antivirus clouds work and are efficient, no way around it). Again, first fact is I have option not to use it in the first place. Then they give me control where I can disable things if I feel like it. I lose some capability, but I keep my privacy. And lastly, the trust thing. I've personally talked with them and they aggregate all data, making it personally unidentifiable. They have that in their privacy statement and they are obliged to follow it by law. And lastly, I can opt out of them sharing the data with 3rd party. They are very transparent with the stuff. Who controls how ISP's collects and sells data? Any control or privacy rules they have to follow? I don't think there is any. They can just sell data. En mass now.

How happy would you be if one day EVERYTHING you've ever browsed surfaces in a 3rd party company data leak? That's usually the primary concern. Even if ISP handles personal data with care, selling it to some careless 3rd party can cause a massive nation wide disaster.
 
R0H1T said:
Yeah except there's no parliament in the US of A.

This perfectly explains the current POTUS' musings :laugh:
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oh sory congres or so.
 
Data they sell now may be our browsing habits, but who's going to stop them from selling more valuable data of ours. SSL Encryption?
Can you imagine a day when you'll have to explain the client that you can't send the work you have done for him over the internet, because your ISP will immediately claim it as theirs and sue you for copyright infringement.
 
VPN and SSL encrypted traffic goes through ISP's infrastructure, but they can't see what it is beyond entry and exit point. Meaning they only see who made connetion with what destination. So, they'll still be able to figure out who connected to what particular destination IP, but beyond that, they'll have no clue.

Which means VPN business might start flourishing in USA...
 
RejZoR said:
VPN and SSL encrypted traffic goes through ISP's infrastructure, but they can't see what it is beyond entry and exit point. Meaning they only see who made connetion with what destination. So, they'll still be able to figure out who connected to what particular destination IP, but beyond that, they'll have no clue.

Which means VPN business might start flourishing in USA...
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Sure, that's the way it's supposed to work, but lately that kinda depends if ISP has any hefty contracts with the alphabet soup agencies /* puts his tinfoil hat on */
 
I am baffled by all the naive people in this thread. Knowledge is power, whether you think you have nothing to hide or not. The more corporations know about you the more they can control and manipulate you (and no I am not paranoid). Governments can be hold accountable by the people whereas corporations cannot.
 
alucasa said:
Canada ain't much better. For an example, health care system is overloaded so much that you die waiting for treatments. If you got the money, you've better go out of country for speedy treatments.
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Medical OT: :)
What you've said is true in all countries: both poor and rich. A state health system is always overloaded, because that's the idea by definition.
I.e. the queues are full of elderly people who enlist for popular treatments simply because... most elderly people have medical issues. Some will not pass medical checks before a surgery, some will have their diagnose changed, some will have more important things to do and some will - obviously - die.
This is well visible with eye and orthopedic medical issues - that's why they're usually used as benchmarks for health system efficiency.

Based on what I've found on this page, the situation in Canada is actually fantastic. You clearly don't know how bad this can be in other countries. :p
According to this data 83% of Canadians get a hip replacement in half a year. Shock.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/alberta-cataract-wait-time-cihi-report-1.3514209

In Poland the waiting time for hip endoprosthesis is over 3 years...
 
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