Is the New Old Already? Far Cry 6 Raytracing Exclusive to PC Version, PS5 and Xbox Series Left Out

[Why_Me]

Consoles are for poors.

 

[Tardian]

Raytracing no, but they found Wally.

 

[Crackong]

We saw the same thing back in PhysX and Tessellation.

And after all these years ppl still believe in marketing BS as usual.

If you look at the platform list there are PS4 and XBOX one.

The reason behind might as simple as they don't wanna spend time and resources to optimize and play test RT and no RT console versions.

 

[Deleted member 185088]

Ray Tracing is still years away, the hardware isn't powerful enough, the lightning is good enough now.
Also games still have low polygons models and low resolution textures, in addition the collision system is very poor even in games like Fifa where the ball can go through the foot of the player.

 

[ratirt]

Ray Tracing is cool but I would not get to excited about it yet. best PC GPUs struggle with it. If you use it in consoles focus on one of the things like shadows or lighting or reflections. You can't get all of those working good enough on any console. Even PC's struggle with it.
RT nice feature but too early for excessive excitement.

 

[tancabean]

Ray Tracing is still years away, the hardware isn't powerful enough, the lightning is good enough now.
Also games still have low polygons models and low resolution textures, in addition the collision system is very poor even in games like Fifa where the ball can go through the foot of the player.

Yeah RT is great but it doesn’t matter if geometry, textures, animation etc still sucks.

 

[Vayra86]

Ray Tracing is col but I would not get to excited about it yet. best PC GPUs struggle with it. If you use it in consoles focus on one of the things like shadows or lighting or reflections. You can't get all of those working good enough on any console. Even PC's struggle with it.
RT nice feature but too early for excessive excitement.

And yet, we've also seen a SVOGI based demo from Crytek that ran 50-60 fps on my GTX 1080 and did lots of reflective surfaces with great accuracy, or at least, enough accuracy to be believable. We've had Unreal since forever that could also do reflections. That's Unreal Engine vanilla. We have endless examples of approximated and 'faked' shadow and volumetric clouds that mimic the real thing even in a 'simple' game like Valheim (chopping trees looks glorious in sunlight).

With a bit of effort, all of these effects are readily available. RT trades creativity and talent for a 'plaster me on there' thing that costs a shit ton of horsepower to eliminate the need for talent.

I'll take talented devs before letting the hardware create something unplayable, in fact, with the focus on graphics before gameplay some triple A stuff has, its quickly becoming the impression to me that shitty content has RTX (bar exceptions, mind), heavily sponsored content has RTX and *might* also be a good game (Control, Metro Exodus), and the rest is entirely forgettable.

Meanwhile, the list of good to great to utterly mind blowing indie games keeps growing, and RT isn't even remotely in the picture there. Console game lists keep growing, and RT isn't even remotely in the picture. A vast number of PC gamers hasn't got access to RT capable hardware. This chicken-egg problem is going to last with no end in sight as of now.

 

[ratirt]

And yet, we've also seen a SVOGI based demo from Crytek that ran 50-60 fps on my GTX 1080 and did lots of reflective surfaces with great accuracy, or at least, enough accuracy to be believable. We've had Unreal since forever that could also do reflections. That's Unreal Engine vanilla. We have endless examples of approximated and 'faked' shadow and volumetric clouds that mimic the real thing even in a 'simple' game like Valheim (chopping trees looks glorious in sunlight).

With a bit of effort, all of these effects are readily available. RT trades creativity and talent for a 'plaster me on there' thing that costs a shit ton of horsepower to eliminate the need for talent.

I'll take talented devs before letting the hardware create something unplayable, in fact, with the focus on graphics before gameplay some triple A stuff has, its quickly becoming the impression to me that shitty content has RTX (bar exceptions, mind), heavily sponsored content has RTX and *might* also be a good game (Control, Metro Exodus), and the rest is entirely forgettable.

Meanwhile, the list of good to great to utterly mind blowing indie games keeps growing, and RT isn't even remotely in the picture there. Console game lists keep growing, and RT isn't even remotely in the picture. A vast number of PC gamers hasn't got access to RT capable hardware. This chicken-egg problem is going to last with no end in sight as of now.

You said it exactly right bro. nothing to add really.
RT is cool but we can go without it.

 

[GreiverBlade]

why do i have a feeling that RTRT is heavily impaired just too look nice on the highest of the highest Nv cards??? (and still f'ckd them up big time )

well ... it's not like RTRT is a really useful thing ... even if it had a lower impact on lower end cards, but now it feels like a bait for getting the high end cards for those who follow the "RTRT IS THE NEXT EVOLUTION OF GAMING!" while it does not bring a lot to the table ...

well, at last that tech will maybe be "standard" later (read "long later") unlike Hairwork.
well with DLSS 2.0 those *wasted space* Tensor Core can be of use, the wasted space (notice the lack of * ) RT core ... not much ...

i always laugh at
"The long-sought after holy-grail of computer graphics rendering—real-time ray tracing—is now reality in single-GPU systems with the NVIDIA Turing GPU architecture. Turing GPUs introduce new RT Cores, accelerator units that are dedicated to performing ray tracing operations with extraordinary efficiency"
from https://developer.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-turing-architecture-in-depth/

 

[ratirt]

"RTRT IS THE NEXT EVOLUTION OF GAMING!" while it does not bring a lot to the table ...

It still is a revolution of gaming and it brings a great FPS drop to the table and that my friend is a huge game changer nowadays

 

[dayne878]

I think the graphic card shortage isn't helping adoption of RT. Who cares if RT comes to PC games if a vast majority of gamers (look at the Steam hardware surveys) don't have graphics cards (likely due to lack of stock at anywhere close to MSRP) capable of taking advantage of RT.

IMO until the chip shortage clears up and there are more gamers experiencing RT the technology will remain rather niche.

As for the consoles not incorporating it, it's not surprising, considering how the consoles compare to PCs with modern graphic cards. They're called potatoes by some people for a reason. The devs obviously want to prioritize frame rate and that "experience" over features. Obviously it would be nice to have both, but they're going to pick performance over quality of graphics IMO any day.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

"Hey Nvidia, thanks for the usual bags of Gameworks money, so we can parrot your PC exclusive, overly expensive money trap on our least favorite platform. I mean, we are the game company of '30 FPS is the best gamur framerate' and 'We hate PC piracy' and 'We love double DRM'. We also pushed your TAA blurfest earlier, so why not? Please add DLSS 2.0 so we can achieve the 30 FPS now, ok? We'll ensure it stutters anyway everytjme you load a world block".

Here's a more logical take:
Ubisoft devs: "hmm Ray tracing seems to be the buzz word that most gamers talk about but we see most of them turn it off to achive high frame rate on PC, let alone consoles, so why waste development time on a feature that applies hardly any difference on an already extremely limited ray tracing current consoles that we know, based on telemetry data, that most players would turn it off for 60 fps mode right ? "

Ubisoft devs2:" you make good points, ray tracing was a mistake anyway, we can make baked reflections that look just as good without performance hits so why bother anyway....F it, throw that sht out of consoles, our engine is outdated anyway, lets just focus on what matters...60fps gameplay, and lock ray tracing on PC only because fking Nvidia spent millions marketing it to PC players and their 1200$ RTX cards so i guess we are obliged to do it on that platform"

 

[arni-gx]

i just wanna DLSS on this FC 6.....

 

[GreiverBlade]

It still is a revolution of gaming and it brings a great FPS drop to the table and that my friend is a huge game changer nowadays

aaaaaaaaahhhhh... oh my oh my ... my sides hurts clever, i forgot it did bring something to the table i should have written "nothing positive" since it does bring, indeed, as you mention fps drop.
well, in short, you are right nonetheless, i have "abdominable" issue now. (my own "abominable abdominal" portmanteau)