Is the RTX 4070 the new performance to watts card?

[Shou Miko]

Yesterday I saw this video Bryan from Tech Yes City made on the Zotac RTX 4070 Spider-Verse undervolting it to 130w without much performance drop

Since electricity prices are on the raise here I was wondering if this would be the RTX 4070 would be the best 1440p option at ~150watt max?

 

[Macro Device]

Not sure. 4070 is excellently energy efficient, not a single doubt but it's severely overpriced.
RDNA2 is a good undervolter as well as it is way cheaper so if you're unbothered by CUDA, DLSS and quote-unquote RT you might opt for a similarly priced 6950 XT which is way faster in non-RT games.
I literally halved the consumption of my 6700 XT with about 12% performance loss. It's still faster than 4060 in non-RT scenarios but eats 16 W less (115 W vs 99 W).

 

[freeagent]

but it's severely overpriced.

Have you been grocery shopping lately?

Everything is overpriced.

 

[Shou Miko]

Not sure. 4070 is excellently energy efficient, not a single doubt but it's severely overpriced.
RDNA2 is a good undervolter as well as it is way cheaper so if you're unbothered by CUDA, DLSS and quote-unquote RT you might opt for a similarly priced 6950 XT which is way faster in non-RT games.
I literally halved the consumption of my 6700 XT with about 12% performance loss. It's still faster than 4060 in non-RT scenarios but eats 16 W less (115 W vs 99 W).

Yeah wish there were a way to limit my 7900XT to like 200watts and see how it performs.

Yeah it's a shame worth frame generation, dlss and so

Have you been grocery shopping lately?

Everything is overpriced.

Correct

 

[ARF]

Is the RTX 4070 the new performance to watts card?​

No..

RX 7900 XT 20GB is better, among other cards, too

RTX 4070 with its mediocre 12 GB of VRAM is an unsult to the human intelligence.

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Have you been grocery shopping lately?

Everything is overpriced.

Except that graphics cards is not a critical purchase and the current stagflation situation violates the principles of the market economy and demand-supply relations.
The graphics cards shipments are at a decades low with negative trend, which means that some of the players will be forced to exit this market, simply because there will be no more demand.

 

[freeagent]

The graphics cards shipments are at a decades low with negative trend

Low shipments because no one is buying.. I can get any card I want right now, they are all available..

Money is a bit low though.. luckily I bought my card for hundreds less than a 7900XT, which I almost bought

 

[Macro Device]

Have you been grocery shopping lately?

Everything is overpriced.

Yesterday, prices have been kinda the level they were a year ago, prolly even cheaper...

 

[Shou Miko]

No..

RX 7900 XT 20GB is better, among other cards, too

RTX 4070 with its mediocre 12 GB of VRAM is an unsult to the human intelligence.

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MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Gaming X TRIO review

MSI unveils the latest addition to their lineup, the MSI GeForce RTX 4060 Ti Gaming X TRIO. This graphics card boasts an impressive 8GB of VRAM and is equipped with a substantial cooling system and fa... Performance per Watt

www.guru3d.com

PassMark Videocard Benchmarks - Videocard TDP Chart - Performance / Power

Except that graphics cards is not a critical purchase and the current stagflation situation violates the principles of the market economy and demand-supply relations.
The graphics cards shipments are at a decades low with negative trend, which means that some of the players will be forced to exit this market, simply because there will be no more demand.

I am talking about the 130watts the RTX 4070 can be undervolted to with almost no performance loss.

I kinda doubt that the RX 7700 XT with it's 245W TDP can undervolt this low and get same performance if it can do down to 200W and still be about 4% faster than the RTX 4070 it's not same league sadly.

Specs: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/radeon-rx-7700-xt.c3911

Because even my own RX 7900 XT undervolt to 1.020V without any issues with stock clocks but it doesn't matter when the default TDP is 300W and with undervolting it might do 250W I really hope it world do 200W but I am not 100% how to go that low if something can tell me than sure I would test it.

 

[N/A]

7900 has no room for improvement when the voltage drops to 882 by default in cyber punk. With 4070 going from 1086 to 910 mark does the trick.

Cyberpunk 2077
7900 2507 MHz 0.882 V
4070 2765 MHz 1.086 V

Anyways 4070 is quickly turning into a 1080p card with upscaling so we need a 4070 Ti carved out of a 4080 with the added bonus of 4GB.

 

[Vya Domus]

Generally speaking larger GPUs have better performance per watt.

 

[ARF]

I am talking about the 130watts the RTX 4070 can be undervolted to with almost no performance loss.

I understand your concern and TBH have never understood this desire to always severely overvolt ALL cards out of the factory.
Can't they at least push a limited batch of cards that pass the quality control with some proper voltage settings?

Can you address your question directly to nvidia?

You and I know that voltage is the greatest enemy to any such chip.

Imagine if there was such an official 130-watt RTX 4070 (down from the ridiculous 200-watt official TDP) sold as single-slot, single-fan design, cool, quiet and small - win-win for the user and for the maker whose costs will be lower.

Instead, they do utter stupidity with those ridiculous oversized coolers, and then fixing the situation by offering normal coolers which suddenly are called "slim".
It's like everything is messed up at AMD, nvidia, MSI, ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, etc. partners.

 

[freeagent]

nstead, they do utter stupidity with those ridiculous oversized coolers

0 RPM mode comes at a cost, so does a few hundred watts when it is loaded..

 

[ARF]

0 RPM mode comes at a cost, so does a few hundred watts when it is loaded..

I don't need either. 0 rpm is absolutely not needed because these coolers are silent when running at low speeds.

 

[freeagent]

I don't need either. 0 rpm is absolutely not needed because these coolers are silent when running at low speeds.

Mine is stock 0 RPM, I cant change it

But I have a small cooler.. because its not the size that matters I guess..

 

[Shou Miko]

I understand your concern and TBH have never understood this desire to always severely overvolt ALL cards out of the factory.
Can't they at least push a limited batch of cards that pass the quality control with some proper voltage settings?

Can you address your question directly to nvidia?

You and I know that voltage is the greatest enemy to any such chip.

Imagine if there was such an official 130-watt RTX 4070 (down from the ridiculous 200-watt official TDP) sold as single-slot, single-fan design, cool, quiet and small - win-win for the user and for the maker whose costs will be lower.

Instead, they do utter stupidity with those ridiculous oversized coolers, and then fixing the situation by offering normal coolers which suddenly are called "slim".
It's like everything is messed up at AMD, nvidia, MSI, ASRock, Asus, Gigabyte, etc. partners.

Nothing stops the manufactures from doing undervolting and "binning" I doubt Nvidia do anything to stop this because than Nvidia should stop the OC, Strix, AMP and so on models and Nvidia don't do that.

It's just anytime manufactures needs to do something more than use a near stock yet custom pcb with anything else than just normal stuff you need to buy more because they spend more time doing it.

If they some manufactures would release a 150-175W Edition this shouldn't really require much since all RTX 4070 gpu's can do this "IF" I am not wrong they can still leave the single 8-pin of cause and do a bios switch which have the 150-175W mode enabled as default and than a stock mode and call it a day they with a lower than MSRP price tag it would be a hit.

Because seriously for me right now it's really tempting even I will be locked with Nvidia's stupid locks for DLSS, FrameGen and RT that I have never used but I can see the benefit from but at 130W for my electricity bill in late autumn/christmas my RX 7900 XT even with undervolting uses at least about 225-250W more if I am even that lucky it can go down to this which is still 100W more at 1440p but it's not like the framerate is 73 to 92% better than the RTX 4070.

I said before and I will again I would love to see AMD releasing a APU between 100-150W even 200W that can do the same as a dedicated card at 1440p medium/high at 100fps average but this might be too much since people and AMD/Nvidia I can also include Intel only thing about the next performance jump with a card using 500-600W that you are being told not to use because you need to save electricity I am tried of this.

This was the reason why I started this thread because at 130W I doubt you find something better, I haven't seen the more expensive 4070 Ti undervolted to 150W doing the same thing.

 

[vvkvvkvvk]

NVIDIA already sells 130W class 4070/ti, it's the RTX A4000 Ada: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-4000-ada-generation.c4171

 

[Macro Device]

NVIDIA already sells 130W class 4070/ti, it's the RTX A4000 Ada: https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/rtx-4000-ada-generation.c4171

It's the whole thousand bucks for it. You must be a real fan of SFF to buy it.

 

[ARF]

Nothing stops the manufactures from doing undervolting and "binning" I doubt Nvidia do anything to stop this

I don't doubt. It is nvidia who sells the chips to the AIBs, and it's nvidia who sends the paper specifications of the cards which must be obeyed by these AIBs.

 

[boomstik360]

Not sure. 4070 is excellently energy efficient, not a single doubt but it's severely overpriced.
RDNA2 is a good undervolter as well as it is way cheaper so if you're unbothered by CUDA, DLSS and quote-unquote RT you might opt for a similarly priced 6950 XT which is way faster in non-RT games.
I literally halved the consumption of my 6700 XT with about 12% performance loss. It's still faster than 4060 in non-RT scenarios but eats 16 W less (115 W vs 99 W).

It's only overpriced if you aren't a smart shopper. I snagged one for $479 open box and it was untouched

 

[Macro Device]

a smart shopper

From the creators of "I am a self-made man... who was born to billionaires." What you paid is what you paid, not an average number which is overly high.

$480 is still kinda too much for a what's supposed to be a 4060, or, best case scenario, 4060 Super.

The only thing matters right now is that 4070 is superior to 6950 XT in power efficiency, RT performance, having Frame Generator (which is not widely useful at the moment), and some specific non-gaming scenarios where AMD is poorly or not supported at all. In non-RT gaming, 6950 XT is considerably far ahead. And price is similar, sometimes lower. So it basically depends on what you prefer playing, what resolution you have and what features you favour more.

Of course I'm a huge hater of modern trend of making more and more and more incredibly stupid extremely high wattage million rocks huge mammoths of GPUs just to squeeze these 200 MHz out of poor dies. But 4070 has a lot of disadvantages, especially for what nVidia is asking for it.

 

[boomstik360]

From the creators of "I am a self-made man... who was born to billionaires." What you paid is what you paid, not an average number which is overly high.

$480 is still kinda too much for a what's supposed to be a 4060, or, best case scenario, 4060 Super.

The only thing matters right now is that 4070 is superior to 6950 XT in power efficiency, RT performance, having Frame Generator (which is not widely useful at the moment), and some specific non-gaming scenarios where AMD is poorly or not supported at all. In non-RT gaming, 6950 XT is very far ahead. And price is similar, sometimes lower. So it basically depends on what you prefer playing, what resolution you have and what features you favour more.

Of course I'm a huge hater of modern trend of making more and more and more incredibly stupid extremely high wattage million rocks huge mammoths of GPUs just to squeeze these 200 MHz out of poor dies. But 4070 has a lot of disadvantages, especially for what nVidia is asking for it.

Sheesh I was happy about that $480 deal lol way to kill my vibe! At least I didn’t pay $600 plus like everyone else! I totally agree that it’s much too high at that retail price.

If the 7800XT was out for $499 when I bought the 4070, I would have bought that instead. I’ll probably buy the 7800XT on release day if I can catch it before it runs out of stock to test it for kicks and giggles. I’d imagine it probably will run out initially at retailers.

I have a 4070 Ti for a different build as well that’ll be here Tuesday so I can always run some benchmarks on everything in the same setup.

 

[freeagent]

We bought some of the most hated video cards ever made

 

[Macro Device]

if I can catch it before it runs out of stock

It's only possible if they commit to massive artificial deficite. Demand is at its lowest ever, especially for AMD, especially in 400 to 600 USD range, especially outside Western Europe. Most peeps are now buying used RX 6800 XT for $300 and call it a day. $200 premium for it being with a number 7 and BNIB... Not everyone's vibe.

 

[Frick]

Sheesh I was happy about that $480 deal lol way to kill my vibe! At least I didn’t pay $600 plus like everyone else! I totally agree that it’s much too high at that retail price.

If the 7800XT was out for $499 when I bought the 4070, I would have bought that instead. I’ll probably buy the 7800XT on release day if I can catch it before it runs out of stock to test it for kicks and giggles. I’d imagine it probably will run out initially at retailers.

I have a 4070 Ti for a different build as well that’ll be here Tuesday so I can always run some benchmarks on everything in the same setup.

Honestly if you spend hundreds of dollars for "kicks and giggles" ... I mean it's fine, but don't expect people to congratulate you when "smart shopping" just means "having hundreds of dollars to spend on graphic cards many would struggle to afford, and I buy them because I literally have nothing better to do with the money, and also I have the time to monitor web shops all day for good deals and I don't need the deals as I can afford the cards anyway I just do it because I have nothing better to do with my time".

 

[boomstik360]

We bought some of the most hated video cards ever made

Haha I guess so

It's only possible if they commit to massive artificial deficite. Demand is at its lowest ever, especially for AMD, especially in 400 to 600 USD range, especially outside Western Europe. Most peeps are now buying used RX 6800 XT for $300 and call it a day. $200 premium for it being with a number 7 and BNIB... Not everyone's vibe.

I suppose I’m more excited than the average person.