It's nearly 2025 and the selection of 4K monitors remains abysmal. Let's discuss this sad state of affairs.

[Assimilator]

So while the 4060 Ti in my gaming PC is quite happy driving 15.6 million pixels at 60Hz, the T600 I use as an eGPU for my work laptop is significantly less so, running at high clocks and ~25W power. Not sure why that is, although I suspect it's the measly 4GB framebuffer which is sitting at ~3.8GB used. Perhaps the 6GB A2000 that I was previously using (retired in favour of the smaller and lower-power T600) may have to make a return.

Or I could bite the bullet and try swapping back to the laptop's Intel iGPU, hoping that their horrible driver memory leak (which is the entire reason I switched to an eGPU) is addressed...

#4kWorldProblems

 

[lexluthermiester]

I want to push 7860x2160 @240HZ for the DCS flight sim on 57" G95. Need 5090 and DP2.1.
4090 will run 49" G95 5120x1440 @240Hz(I broke it) the 57" looks more tv-ish at that resolution and 120Hz but it sure is a lot easier to read.

Yeah, you're gonna need a 4090, minimum. You're one of those few people that really need the 5090 when is come to market.

 

[Hankieroseman]

Yeah, you're gonna need a 4090, minimum. You're one of those few people that really need the 5090 when is come to market.

4090 is nice and it looks great with this monitor.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Update for anyone who cares: as if tech jesus has heard my prayers, an S3221QS popped up on Ebay for 2/3 the price of new, so I nabbed it. Has only been running for a few hours at this point, but pretty happy so far. Downside is that I have to run games at 25x14 instead of native since I only have a 4060 Ti, and that causes Windows 10 to have all sorts of conniptions with my other 2 non-4K monitors when Alt-Tabbing, so a Win11 upgrade may be on the cards.

Pretty impressed with the 4060 though, at idle-ish it manages to hold power consumption to under 12W for all 3 monitors.

I was going to say... why not just go with the Dell S3221QS... I got one as well on sale a little while back and I find it to be a good looking monitor overall... especially for the price. I don't game at all though though so no idea if it's a good "gaming monitor"... but it looks good when doing productivity apps imo. I think ideally 2 of those Dell 32" 4K curved screens side by side would be pretty much optimal as that's a fair amount of screen real estate without breaking the bank either. I like that they actually have a decent monitor stand as well so you can lower the monitor quite low on a desk and have our eyes basically parallel to the top of the screen. I think a bigger 42" monitor/TV would be a little too tall and might induce a little neck strain sitting on a desk 2-3 feet away but I know some people love to have one large monitor like that which is basically like having four 24" monitors in one.

 

[Frick]

Update for anyone who cares: as if tech jesus has heard my prayers, an S3221QS popped up on Ebay for 2/3 the price of new, so I nabbed it. Has only been running for a few hours at this point, but pretty happy so far. Downside is that I have to run games at 25x14 instead of native since I only have a 4060 Ti, and that causes Windows 10 to have all sorts of conniptions with my other 2 non-4K monitors when Alt-Tabbing, so a Win11 upgrade may be on the cards.

Oohh is that solved in Windows 11??

 

[Assimilator]

Oohh is that solved in Windows 11??

I don't know, and I don't have any way to check except by upgrading to Win11, and since Win10 is out of support next year... the reasons to upgrade to Win11 are increasing.

 

[DaedalusHelios]

This kind of talk makes me never even want to try a higher refresh monitor, because I really don't want to be chasing them frames. 4K 60fps is hard enough.

OLED 4K 223.3fps High Settings with a resource hog of a game. RT is off but that is the only real compromise using the 7900XTX and a 7950X3D. No OC on anything. Best of the Green team gets you "RT on" with the same settings for even better reflections.

 

[jarablue]

I'd rather just use a OLED or QDOLED TV. No one needs monitors right now. The only thing they really offer is auto on/off when powering up the system. That is it and higher refresh rates which I don't care about at all since I have 120hertz. When they make TVs with 240hertz and above, monitors won't even be needed.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'd rather just use a OLED or QDOLED TV. No one needs monitors right now. The only thing they really offer is auto on/off when powering up the system. That is it and higher refresh rates which I don't care about at all since I have 120hertz. When they make TVs with 240hertz and above, monitors won't even be needed.

TV's don't generally have the high pixel response rates. High refresh rates(120/240hz), yes, but not high pixel response rates. Those are two very different technical specs.

 

[londiste]

I'd rather just use a OLED or QDOLED TV. No one needs monitors right now. The only thing they really offer is auto on/off when powering up the system. That is it and higher refresh rates which I don't care about at all since I have 120hertz. When they make TVs with 240hertz and above, monitors won't even be needed.

Not only auto on-off but also standby. for LG OLED TVs there is even a software assistant to deal with standby and some other TV features or missing features - https://github.com/JPersson77/LGTVCompanion

Is is very subjective but I think that 42-43" 2160p is pretty much the ideal size for a monitor. Sad to see that this has largely gone away, mainly towards ultrawides.

TV's don't generally have the high pixel response rates. High refresh rates(120/240hz), yes, but not high pixel response rates. Those are two very different technical specs.

Pixel response in an OLED is low anyway. And you can get the input latency usually really low on a TV with some gaming settings.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Might consider 1440 being the new 1080p and 2160 being the SweetSpot, I miss 5:4 honestly

I miss 16:12. My dell 1600x1200 20" monitor was GREAT growing up, so much verticality! I still miss that verticality playing FPS games today, used to be able to look up without actually looking up.

I'd rather just use a OLED or QDOLED TV. No one needs monitors right now. The only thing they really offer is auto on/off when powering up the system. That is it and higher refresh rates which I don't care about at all since I have 120hertz. When they make TVs with 240hertz and above, monitors won't even be needed.

Yeah, no, pixel/panel response rates of TVs are FAR lower then monitors. I can go use my TV to play a game now, and the whole experience feels laggy, even if I set my monitor to 60 hz it still feels way better.

So while the 4060 Ti in my gaming PC is quite happy driving 15.6 million pixels at 60Hz, the T600 I use as an eGPU for my work laptop is significantly less so, running at high clocks and ~25W power. Not sure why that is, although I suspect it's the measly 4GB framebuffer which is sitting at ~3.8GB used. Perhaps the 6GB A2000 that I was previously using (retired in favour of the smaller and lower-power T600) may have to make a return.

Or I could bite the bullet and try swapping back to the laptop's Intel iGPU, hoping that their horrible driver memory leak (which is the entire reason I switched to an eGPU) is addressed...

#4kWorldProblems

yeah if the framebuffer is full it's gonna waste tons of processing power swapping stuff in and out of VRAM. I'd bet the A2000 would use less power overall.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Pixel response in an OLED is low anyway.

You'd be surprised how high it is in a lot of models. They can make them cheap because of the lower quality samples that don't pass specs for high priced/quality models.

And you can get the input latency usually really low on a TV with some gaming settings.

This is true for any TVs that has those settings. Not all TVs do.

 

[eidairaman1]

I miss 16:12. My dell 1600x1200 20" monitor was GREAT growing up, so much verticality! I still miss that verticality playing FPS games today, used to be able to look up without actually looking up.


Yeah, no, pixel/panel response rates of TVs are FAR lower then monitors. I can go use my TV to play a game now, and the whole experience feels laggy, even if I set my monitor to 60 hz it still feels way better.


yeah if the framebuffer is full it's gonna waste tons of processing power swapping stuff in and out of VRAM. I'd bet the A2000 would use less power overall.

Yeah wider looks weird to me now.

Rather have a more squared display too.

 

[JustBenching]

Yeah, no, pixel/panel response rates of TVs are FAR lower then monitors. I can go use my TV to play a game now, and the whole experience feels laggy, even if I set my monitor to 60 hz it still feels way better.

You are confusing input latency with pixel response. The pixel response on an oled TV is almost identical to an oled monitor, and far better than any other type of monitor. The input latency is caused due to all the image processing that TV's usually do out of the box. You need to disable those settings or use the Game mode.

EG1. I know, I have my 42" LG oled TV next to my 32" LG oled monitor. The TV is better btw, in every way.

 

[Tek-Check]

I want to push 7860x2160 @240HZ for the DCS flight sim on 57" G95. Need 5090 and DP2.1.
4090 will run 49" G95 5120x1440 @240Hz(I broke it) the 57" looks more tv-ish at that resolution and 120Hz but it sure is a lot easier to read.

The main issue with Nvidia 4000 cards, in relation to this monitor, is that GPUs cannot run it at 240Hz due to crippled and old video pipeline with low DSC compression ratio.

They reused the PCB from 3090 and didn't upgrade video ports. Hence only 120Hz over 4090.

Recycled PCB from Amprere with old video pipeline, but premium price for the card.

 

[jarablue]

All I know is that my LG C2 wipes the floor with everything I have used before, pixel response, input latency. I don't need anything above 120hertz because why? It's minimal at best and those people who like high refresh rates typically game for money in a competitive fashion.

For my use case, LG OLEDs literally are the best for me. Everything is wicked good on it. Online gaming and single player. I have 0 issues mopping the floor with players in FPS games online with the C2. Text is wicked sharp. Guess I'm an outlier.

 

[lexluthermiester]

All I know is that my LG C2 wipes the floor with everything I have used before, pixel response, input latency. I don't need anything above 120hertz because why?

Cool, you got a good model!

 

[TSiAhmat]

Today i found out:

there are no non-curved UWQHD Oled Monitors which makes me sad.

And the LG ones (my preferred choice) are the ones with 800R ;_;

 

[lexluthermiester]

there are no non-curved UWQHD Oled Monitors which makes me sad.

Not just sad, more than a bit stupid.

 

[Frick]

Today i found out:

there are no non-curved UWQHD Oled Monitors which makes me sad.

And the LG ones (my preferred choice) are the ones with 800R ;_;

To be fair there aren't many of them at all. I count nine in total on a popular price comparision site I use. Eventually they might come.

 

[lexluthermiester]

To be fair there aren't many of them at all. I count nine in total on a popular price comparision site I use. Eventually they might come.

Ultrawides are a bit niche so who knows..

 

[TSiAhmat]

To be fair there aren't many of them at all. I count nine in total on a popular price comparision site I use. Eventually they might come.

one can dream and complain!

 

[Hankieroseman]

I miss 16:12. My dell 1600x1200 20" monitor was GREAT growing up, so much verticality! I still miss that verticality playing FPS games today, used to be able to look up without actually looking up.


Yeah, no, pixel/panel response rates of TVs are FAR lower then monitors. I can go use my TV to play a game now, and the whole experience feels laggy, even if I set my monitor to 60 hz it still feels way better.


yeah if the framebuffer is full it's gonna waste tons of processing power swapping stuff in and out of VRAM. I'd bet the A2000 would use less power overall.

I had a that early Dell 24 inch flat panel gaming monitor($750) and it was great with MS Combat Flight SimulatorⅡ and Sturmovik back in 2000's. It lasted forever before it was replaced and left on the curb.