Just got an FX8300 Black edition today.

[OneMoar]

we told you like .... 6 times ask before you buy anything
fx chips are garbage .... they suck at everything

 

[Jetster]

So if this is truly NOT an 8 core CPU with only 4 cores and 4 FPU's then that my friends is FALSE addvertising and AMD should be sued for this!
I thought they were true 0cta core CPU's! How can it be a true octa core if it is not seen as one? Only Intel is seen as true core and AMD is FAKE?
So 4 cores 8 threads? Instead of 8 cores 8 threads?
Seems like false addvertising to me. I may just look into this! If they are pushing FAKE shit onto us and NOT true real stuff then WE the consumers have to act I am not into being DOOPED or ripped off!

They were sued I believe

https://www.extremetech.com/extreme...lse-bulldozer-chip-marketing-is-without-merit

 

[OneMoar]

and it never went anyware
why the tf would you build a system around a known poor platform like FX ...

 

[trickson]

They were sued I believe

No Shiz? For this? If so they should be pulling them off the shelves and stop advertising them as 8 cores? If they were sued for this that would have happened.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

It is 8 real cores as people have pointed but they share resources and are structured in such a way that some software reads it as 4 core 8 thread, they have been out for a number of years and if there was a class action lawsuit to have been had there would of by now, stop worrying. As for them being garbage, that's a bit harsh considering the cost they can be had for nowadays and they still perform fairly well in most applications.

 

[Jetster]

No Shiz? For this? If so they should be pulling them off the shelves and stop advertising them as 8 cores? If they were sued for this that would have happened.

That's not how law suits work. It's come down to a settlement or in this case nothing

 

[trickson]

and it never went anyware
why the tf would you build a system around a known poor platform like FX ...

Ok first off it is NOT a poor platform at all it works just fine and is extremely fast. why you sand bagging on the system? I am sandbagging AMDfor not telling the truth. I can live with Quad cores dual cores I can live with a 6 core CPU just tell me what I am getting is real that is all I want to know. It's like asking for a grape and getting a grapefruit! You know?
I think this setup will be super fast once I tune in the RAM video and the HSF for OC'ing the CPU.
Can I ask why you are so down against the AMD line? you say it is a poor platform how?
I do not see it in the score on that CPU there do you?
It is way better than the score they got here. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/compare.php?cmp[]=1825&cmp[]=1309&cmp[]=2340
I have been looking at for 2 weeks and I get a score way higher with crap cooling? I can not wait to get the cooler for this CPU and get her up to 4.5GHz YEAH YEAH the VRM'S hell they are not even hot to the touch at all I and the yseem fine as wine with the clocks I have now I just want to get that 4.2GHz turbo boost it CLAMS it has! AND IT DOES! AND I WILL!

 

[OneMoar]

because good luck with anything thats not threaded for >6
garbage ipc , power hungary, runs hot,low thermal ceiling

they were not competitive chips when they where released and they are no better now

 

[Vya Domus]

So it is not a TRUE octa core, It really is just a Quad core that is broken up to look like it has 8 cores. 4 modules with 2 cores? Sounds like they split the "Cores" up into half cores and labeled it a fing 8 core!

https://www.anandtech.com/show/5831/amd-trinity-review-a10-4600m-a-new-hope

You can research this and draw your own conclusion.

There is no definition of a "core. Software "sees" hardware threads not cores such that there is no dependency with regards to the internal structure of processors and programmers don't have to deal with that. It's up to each manufacturer to implement their own architectures.

You can simply make wider cores with multiple hardware threads and less dependencies between them during execution like Intel did to not hurt single thread performance and increase efficiency slightly. But it's more wasteful under multi threaded workloads which in return show very little scaling. Remember than a similar core i7 from that time also showed up as having 8 threads but because the scaling was so poor to begin with no one ever though about it as an 8 core CPU.

Or, introduce more dependencies within the execution elements to increase efficiency even more in terms of the resources that are being used but affect single thread performance in the process of doing so like AMD did.

Neither one of those approaches give out more or less "cores" , they are simply different ways of doing the same thing. Remember that most people still think more Ghz means faster as a universal rule , of course they would get pissed when they saw some program say 4 cores instead of 8 without really knowing anything about these details. This is why that lawsuit didn't do much either , it made no sense. AMD could advertise it as a quad core as much as it can as an octa core and so could Intel.

 

[lexluthermiester]

So it is not a TRUE octa core, It really is just a Quad core that is broken up to look like it has 8 cores.

No, that's the misconception a lot of people have. There are 8 actual CPU cores on the die. Most CPU's have an accompanying FPU. What AMD did was build a module that had two standard CPU cores that share an FPU between them. In theory, it was thought that this would be very efficient as more of a CPU's workload is in the core itself and not the FPU. In practice, it turned out different than they thought but still worked well. So to be fair, it would be accurate to call that series of chips "Hybrid CPU's" as there are 8 separate X86 CISC CPU cores on the die, two of each sharing an X86 CISC FPU. AMD had an idea that worked, but wasn't well received and was badly misunderstood. Does that make sense? You're not being tricked or ripped off.

we told you like .... 6 times ask before you buy anything
fx chips are garbage .... they suck at everything

Incorrect, they are not garbage. They do what they are intended to do and at good value for price paid.

 

[OneMoar]

there is a reason the platform is so cheap now
nobody wants it
with good reason
its not a competitive chip it wasn't competitive when it was released and isn't now

 

[lexluthermiester]

its not a competitive chip it wasn't competitive when it was released and isn't now

That is a matter of opinion and isn't supported by benchmarks and price/performance calculation ratios. No it's not the best performer and no one is claiming it is. But judged on it's own merits and taking into account the likely usage scenario, it was a good purchase. If you are going to share opinions, please be a little more constructive and objective. You are effectively trying to make him feel bad about a purchase when the reality is that for money paid, he will get good value and for a long time to come.

 

[OneMoar]

That matter of opinion and isn't supported by benchmarks and price/performance calculation ratios. No it's not the best performer and no one is claiming it is. But judged on it's own merits and taking into account the likely usage scenario, it was a good purchase. If you are going to share opinions, please be a little more constructive and objective. You are effectively trying to make him feel bad about a purchase when the reality is that for money paid, he will get good value and for a long time to come.

No its not a matter of opinion its a matter of mathematical fact. look at the benchmarks look at the performance per watt IPC and game benchmarks
if all he does is encode video and a multithreaded workload more power to it .... its still a power hungry pizza oven but at least it will do that if he doesn't ... or intends top play dem games on it ... well we know what the benchmark is on that don't we

because he was told literally 6 times to do some research before jumping the gun hes now stuck with a mediocre cpu and board with no upgrade path but to replace it all AGAIN

I am sorry trickson I should have been there for you in your hour of need work gets in the way

 

[Norton]

Let's keep the battling to a minimum here folks... no sense earning points arguing over a chip and platform that is no longer made.

Only public warning

 

[trickson]

No its not a matter of opinion its a matter of mathematical fact. look at the benchmarks look at the performance per watt IPC and game benchmarks
if all he does is encode video and a multi-threaded workload more power to it .... its still a power hungry pizza oven but at least it will do that if he doesn't ... or intends top play dem games on it ... well we know what the benchmark is on that don't we

because he was told literally 6 times to do some research before jumping the gun hes now stuck with a mediocre cpu and board with no upgrade path but to replace it all AGAIN

I am sorry trickson I should have been there for you in your hour of need work gets in the way

WOW you really do hate the AMD FX line! LOL. First off NO I love this CPU it is faster than the Intel core i5 and some i7's! So you are wrong in every way that this platform is poor! I have an old video card HD5870 and only 4GB of crap RAM and a CRAP cooler! Once all this is replaced it will be a far better system that you would be willing to admit! In fact I bet that CPU score on passmark smoked your core i5! LOL. (just being sarcastic).
Anyway I am going to game the shiz out of this MF'r! I again am in NO way disappointed in the performance just the HSF. I know it will do much better once I work out RAM HSF and Video.

So please stop sandbagging on the platform, I am just wondering why some see only 4 cores and 8 threads and I know why now thank you. I remember this happening to some other CPU's I had in the past I think even my Q9650 once was only being shown as 2 cores 4 threads. CPU-Z shows 8 cores 8 threads so I am good with that as that is what I go by anyway! CPU-Z FTW!!!
In short I would love to put your system against mine once I get all this worked out, OK? Then we can see what you consider poor performance hell this system as is has already smoked my new Ryzen3 1300x! FOR shiz sake! and it is KILLING the Q9650 at 3.6GHz! Jesus man poor performer? WTH are you talking about?

Let's keep the battling to a minimum here folks... no sense earning points arguing over a chip and platform that is no longer made.

Only public warning

But it is still being sold in store across the world as NEW! I still see AMD FX CPU systems in computer stores and DDR3 RAM is still selling at FRY's and New egg. SO they may not make the stuff anymore but they sure do have a shiz ton to sell us in stores! lol. Most people like me do not get to afford the new new stuff so we have to wait some times years till we get a shot at it. But from what I can see this is still holding up very well against the NEW NEW stuff.

No, that's the misconception a lot of people have. There are 8 actual CPU cores on the die. Most CPU's have an accompanying FPU. What AMD did was build a module that had two standard CPU cores that share an FPU between them. In theory, it was thought that this would be very efficient as more of a CPU's workload is in the core itself and not the FPU. In practice, it turned out different than they thought but still worked well. So to be fair, it would be accurate to call that series of chips "Hybrid CPU's" as there are 8 separate X86 CISC CPU cores on the die, two of each sharing an X86 CISC FPU. AMD had an idea that worked, but wasn't well received and was badly misunderstood. Does that make sense? You're not being tricked or ripped off.

Incorrect, they are not garbage. They do what they are intended to do and at good value for price paid.

Yes it does. Thank You very much.
Now see some folks can put things in a way that makes perfect sense and is easy to understand, Thank you very much for this wonderful explanation.

I really do like this FX CPU and I believe once I make addjustments to the RAM and HSF I will be even more pleased than I am now.

Fact is the MB, RAM and a Blueray DVD ROM player were in a Thermaltake Armor case at Goodwill, I picked it up for $30 dollars. I just couldn't pass it up a great case a great deal.
I had no idea what the MB was or the CPU or RAM till I got it home, I found out that it had a semprom CPU single core in the socket AM3+ and that it has 4GB PNY DDR3 RAM the MB I found out is an MSI AM3+ . I posted up asking for advice on a CPU for the MB and YOU ALL DID come up with this CPU! SO that said......@OneMoar you are wrong! TPU DID recommend to me this VERY CPU for this MB.
Yes I know every one is barking about the VRM chips I am aware of the defective weak VRM that MSI is said to have used, But SO far I do not nor has this MB shown any signs of this being an issue as of yet. And I can NOT strees this enough, This was at a Goodwill Bin store! FOR GOD SAKE do you know what a Goodwill Bin store looks like? It looks like a refugee camp for dirty old men! And this MB WORKS! the Blueray DVD ROM works the CPU RAM and the PSU It had a Tt 750 watt in it and still is on the MB and FX CPU now powering everything without FAIL! Even the Aromo Case it all was in all cleaned up and working great! It has a HUGE fan on the side and IT WORKS! Not broken FROM A BIN STORE AT GOODWILL!
So when it comes to price vs performance? I BLOW EVERYONE AWAY!!!!!!

Now all in all I think I am going in the right direction with this FX 8300 CPU. I am very pleased with AMD again they hit a home run with me. I only paid $100 bucks for the chip!
So in my eyes this entire system cost me $100.00 bucks and it blows away the 600- 800 dollar systems out there LMFAO!
That is PRICE performance right there FOLKS!

 

[dirtyferret]

If it really bothers you that some software reads the fx-8 as 4c/8t then save the image, Photoshop it to say 8c/8t or whatever you like and whatever cinebench score you feel the chip deserves and then set that image as your wall paper.

 

[trickson]

If it really bothers you that some software reads the fx-8 as 4c/8t then save the image, Photoshop it to say 8c/8t or whatever you like and whatever cinebench score you feel the chip deserves and then set that image as your wall paper.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

There is NO WAY processors from this FX range thermal throttle at 65°C. It just wouldn't make ANY sense to throttle it so quickly. Usually threshold is 90-100°C, not 65.

There's no way on this earth AMD used the same process as intel bro 32nm SOI is not the same as anything intel uses, the chips top end T junction is about 72 on the actual core afaik but typically package temp wise 65 will cause throttling due to short term internal thermal spikes beyond 72 ,or my two aren't typical and i have had one since day one of its release.

 

[OneMoar]

There's no way on this earth AMD used the same process as intel bro 32nm SOI is not the same as anything intel uses, the chips top end T junction is about 72 on the actual core afaik but typically package temp wise 65 will cause throttling due to short term internal thermal spikes beyond 72 ,or my two aren't typical and i have had one since day one of its release.

they get unstable at about 65 if your are overclocking too ..

at minimum he needs a 240 mm AIO cooler

 

[Mr.Scott]

I give that board a couple weeks tops.

 

[Batou1986]

they get unstable at about 65 if your are overclocking too

Well yea that's the TJmax, your ignorance is showing again

People can talk all the garbage they want about the FX series the fact is they work fine for 99% of things the only exceptions i have found are poorly coded applications that dont know how to use multi core cpu's such as DCS world.

I give that board a couple weeks tops.

My 970 board has worse heatsinks than that and its been running at 4~4.2 ghz for over 4 years linpac stable

 

[OneMoar]

Well yea that's the TJmax, your ignorance is showing again

People can talk all the garbage they want about the FX series the fact is they work fine for 99% of things the only exceptions i have found are poorly coded applications that dont know how to use multi core cpu's such as DCS world.


My 970 board has worse heatsinks than that and its been running at 4~4.2 ghz for over 4 years linpac stable

you may want to fact check before you call other people ignorant

its 61 or 62 on the core 70 or 72 on the package depending on the stepping. there's a few degrees of conservative engineering there WHEN AT stock voltage

WHEN you go above that and thermal stability becomes a real problem the power consumption and heat output jump by lightyears when you start raising voltage or even just trying to run all 4 CCX's at full boost clocks something people like to ignore because hey it does 4Gigamahhurz ... on effectively two cores try it with all 4 you are headed for chernobyl

they throttle into the ground when the core hits 65 or so depending on the voltage/load/board

working fine does not mean working good. my i5 2500 works fine but that doesn't mean I would recommend building a new system around one

you can not deny that the FX platform was widely regarded as a failure by both users and enthusiasts.

nobody bought them nobody wants them they fall on there face in 70% of applications. because as you said nobody wants to code for 6+ threads or code around funky SMT implementations. and AMD's is a nightmare to code around because they cut corners in terms of execution resources because cost and die space

 

[trickson]

I give that board a couple weeks tops.

Still a better Price VS Performance build than anyone else has! so far I have invested a total of $160 Dollars and have a system that in time with a tad more investing (Lots of RAM and a better video card) will beat anything you can build Price VS performance wise like I have! Just think of THAT!
Seems to me this MB has been running a bit more than a few weeks and is still doing great! VRM issues? NOT A ONE so far all this negative talk coming from a few is just that, Empty talk no substance! This system is killing the comp! Price VS performance I TOOK the PRIZE!

 

[OneMoar]

Still a better Price VS Performance build than anyone else has! so far I have invested a total of $160 Dollars and have a system that in time with a tad more investing (Lots of RAM and a better video card) will beat anything you can build Price VS performance wise like I have! Just think of THAT!
Seems to me this MB has been running a bit more than a few weeks and is still doing great! VRM issues? NOT A ONE so far all this negative talk coming from a few is just that, Empty talk no substance! This system is killing the comp! Price VS performance I TOOK the PRIZE!

put a cheap webcam in the case I want video when the vrm's catch fire

 

[trickson]

you may want to fact check before you call other people ignorant

its 61 or 62 on the core 70 or 72 on the package depending on the stepping. there's a few degrees of conservative engineering there WHEN AT stock voltage

WHEN you go above that and thermal stability becomes a real problem the power consumption and heat output jump by lightyears when you start raising voltage or even just trying to run all 4 CCX's at full boost clocks

they throttle into the ground when the core hits 65 or so depending on the voltage/load/board

working fine does not mean working good. my i5 2500 works fine but that doesn't mean I would recommend building a new system around one

you can not deny that the FX platform was widely regarded as a failure by both users and enthusiasts.

nobody bought them nobody wants them they fall on there face in 70% of applications. because as you said nobody wants to code for 6+ threads or code around funky SMT implementations. and AMD's is a nightmare to code around because they cut corners in terms of execution resources because cost and die space

WTF are you talking about? You are just sandbagging because your i5 gets eaten up by my 100 dollar chip and $160 dollar total cost system! LOL!
They sure sold a lot of them and from the looks of it still are selling them so I think you have a bias that is unjustified.

put a cheap webcam in the case I want video when the vrm's catch fire

OMG you are so wack. LOL

And I said to you before and I will again so far the VRM's are great cold to the touch at 3.7GHz so you are poking at a dead fish there pal.