Kaspersky Lab Accused of Close Links to FSB, Removed From USG's GSA Listing

[HopelesslyFaithful]

The difference is, in a country like the US there is a constitution and fundamental rights. People are free to take legal action against the government, and they are not fearful of the government like in Russia. The media is free to criticize the government without the risk of being killed. Bad publicity can lead to the removal of government at the next election, Western governments have many checks and balances.

IM not saying the west is perfect, but its a lot better than Russia, where mafia and political corruption are normal way of business.

There are a few high profile cases of western companies denying the government access to their IP. Like Apple, they would not give the government the key to unlock iphones.

Right the US has a great track record on not trying to destroy whistle blowers and covering things up.

The US also follows the Constitution/BOR/DOI

You seriously lack any knowledge on this topic lol.
Binney, Utah v. Strieff, Heien v. North Carolina, heller, and on and on and on we can go.

...I can probably off the top of my head name 20-100 examples of how untrue that is.

 

[bug]

yes and in the US it is illegal and unconstitutional to have General Warrants (one of many reasons we had a revolution) but yet we created an unconstitutional unaccountable "secret" court that rubber stamps unconstitutional General Warrants.


The US Government also tells phone companies to keep all text messages in a database for easy searches....thank Supreme Court for the horribly unconstitutional "third party doctrine" to "loop hole" our natural rights.

Let me put this another way. You won't object to the congress adopting laws that have companies store customer data and share them with authorities at the drop of a hat, like in Russia, because in the US the situation is pretty much the same already. Did I get it right?

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Let me put this another way. You won't object to the congress adopting laws that have companies store customer data and share them with authorities at the drop of a hat, like in Russia, because in the US the situation is pretty much the same already. Did I get it right?

huh? My post was not hard to understand........

They already do that thanks to the Supreme Court and the "third party" doctrine....What is your point?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine

 

[PowerPC]

I guess it's better for most people to be in denial of what their government is doing, than when it's out in the open and there actually is a discussion. It's like sitting in the mud in the rain, but then criticizing some other country for stepping into the mud.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

I guess it's better for most people to be in denial of what their government is doing, than when it's out in the open and there actually is a discussion. It's like sitting in the mud in the rain, but then criticizing some other country for stepping into the mud.

I prefer it being in the open so people can talk about it/fight it/live around the over reach but to each their own

 

[PowerPC]

I prefer it being in the open so people can talk about it/fight it/live around the over reach but to each their own

I agree. They have a democratically elected government and what they do with their Information is their own business. It's only a problem when governments try to hide it.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

I agree. They have a democratically elected government and what they do with their Information is their own business. It's only a problem when governments try to hide it.

I wouldnt go that far....democratically elected tyranny is still tyranny. Infringement of natural rights is an infringement.

 

[PowerPC]

I wouldnt go that far....democratically elected tyranny is still tyranny. Infringement of natural rights is an infringement.

How is it tyranny? You can go to any part of Russia, interview the people, they have overwhelming support for Putin aka the government. They willingly give him this power because they don't see anyone doing a better job. Nobody is saying everything is perfect in Russia, but compared to the past, or many alternatives the government there right now is doing what is best for them because that is what they want. If it's inner security or counter terrorism, you always have to give up some Information. There are a lot of examples where you have to give up something to achieve something else. You can't always have your cake and eat it too.

 

[buggalugs]

Journalists and Putin opponents have been KILLED in Russia. Anybody who says "its the same in the west" is delusional.

You cant do big business in Russia without Mafia and corrupt politicians. Putin has his finger in everything.

Putin is like the richest man in the world, you think he got that rich from good investments? lol. He has a work history of public service in the KGB and then politics. You dont make billions of dollars from those wages. lol

lol "nobody complains in Russia because they think hes doing a good job"

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Journalists and Putin opponents have been KILLED in Russia. Anybody who says "its the same in the west" is delusional.

You cant do big business in Russia without Mafia and corrupt politicians. Putin has his finger in everything.

Putin is like the richest man in the world, you think he got that rich from good investments? lol. He has a work history of public service in the KGB and then politics. You dont make billions of dollars from those wages. lol

lol "nobody complains in Russia because they think hes doing a good job"

Propaganda as its finest!

 

[bug]

Propaganda as its finest!

Google Boris Nemtsov, Anna Politkovskaya, Alexander Litvinenko.
Then come back and tell me what propaganda are you talking about.

 

[buggalugs]

Whats propaganda? Journalists and Putin political opponents HAVE been killed. Plenty of Russians will confirm. There are plenty of honourable Russians, journalists, human rights workers, who will confirm.

How did Putin make billions from a politician salary? Good investment? lol, Maybe he made a killing in the pork belly market, or OJ juice lol?

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

LOL

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Just woke up. Read FSB. Assumed Front Side Bus.

 

[cornemuse]

The difference is, in a country like the US there is a constitution and fundamental rights. People are free to take legal action against the government, and they are not fearful of the government like in Russia. The media is free to criticize the government without the risk of being killed. Bad publicity can lead to the removal of government at the next election, Western governments have many checks and balances.

IM not saying the west is perfect, but its a lot better than Russia, where mafia and political corruption are normal way of business.

There are a few high profile cases of western companies denying the government access to their IP. Like Apple, they would not give the government the key to unlock iphones.

Not fearful? They (you) should be, , , ,

 

[trparky]

At least here in the US someone can say something bad about the President and not wake up dead the next day. Hell, someone can even hold up a bloody head on TV and not get killed. If you did that in Russia you would not only be dead but your whole family would be dead.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

At least here in the US someone can say something bad about the President and not wake up dead the next day. Hell, someone can even hold up a bloody head on TV and not get killed. If you did that in Russia you would not only be dead but your whole family would be dead.

proof?

 

[bug]

proof?

Bradley/Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden even Julian Assange...

 

[trparky]

Or Kathy Griffin. She goes on TV with a bloody Trump head and nothing happens. No arrest. No investigation. She gets off with not even a slap on the wrist.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

Bradley/Chelsea Manning, Edward Snowden even Julian Assange...

prove russians murder people genius.

All i know is pussy riot being thrown into jail and being released due to over crowding.

In the US we steal money and cars without due process and have black sites where people disappear for 48 hours in Chicago

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/24/chicago-police-detain-americans-black-site

or just shoot people for grabbing their wallet as ordered to....

I have 100s of these

 

[bug]

proof russians murder people genius.

I've already told you what to search for if you need that. You coming back to ask me the exact same thing again is only a sign you're not actually open to a discussion. So I', going to stop now.

 

[HopelesslyFaithful]

I've already told you what to search for if you need that. You coming back to ask me the exact same thing again is only a sign you're not actually open to a discussion. So I', going to stop now.

You never gave any examples of Russia so your dishonest.

You make a claim and refuse to prove it hahaha. That is burden of proof fallacy...classy.

BTW I meant prove not proof.

EDIT: are you referring to this post?

Google Boris Nemtsov, Anna Politkovskaya, Alexander Litvinenko.
Then come back and tell me what propaganda are you talking about.

The US drone strikes American citizens without due process......and kills tens of innocent people with drone strikes and just claims they are combatants.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...s-citizens-killed-obama-drone-strikes-3-were/
https://www.aclu.org/video/aclu-ccr-lawsuit-american-boy-killed-us-drone-strike

not sure how to find this source material but whenever the US claims 9,000 enemy combatants killed it just means X number of males killed were over 13 or something. They claim anyone who is fighting age as a combatant whether or not they are actually even fighting the US.

So If they have 1 target and kill 6 other adult age fighting males in the strike the US claims it killed 7 combatants in the strike.

Such a great honorable country vs big bad evil Russia.

In the US it usually isn't the federal government that murders people but the police. Kelly Thomas? The guy in the above video and countless more cases of unjustified attempted murder/murder. Well the government always rules its justified or doesnt admit guilty and settles out of court.

Though the Federal government did murder Lavoy Finicum

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/29/fbi-agent-indicted-for-cover-up-in-shooting-of-oregon-militiaman/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...nicum-oregon-standoff-fbi-agent-charged-lying

We also have Waco
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waco_siege

The US does so many shady things that infringe Americans rights I cna go on forever.

and

There are plenty of cases where the US government kills people in some crazy shady ways but lets just be delusional and claim we don't

I can do this for days......US has done some crazy shit

 

[remixedcat]

Muh RUSSIA!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

 

[R-T-B]

Muh RUSSIA!!

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

They are like Americas number one enemy in the world. I don't get how people can't/won't get that when they/we have missiles aimed at us/them every day.

LOL

He's correct. I studied in Russia for some time. Comparing it to the west rights wise is a complete fallacy. I mean Putin had a puppet dude elected just so he could ammend the consitution to be on longer. In exchange, said puppet dude got to be Prime Minister. He HAS had killed journalists and opposing party members. He WAS a KGB agent. He's even proud of that fact! I can't believe I am having this discussion amonst the western world honestly, it's disheartening.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_power-switching_operation,_2008

More information on only part of what I'm talking about.