Key Slides from Intel 13th Gen "Raptor Lake" Launch Presentation Leak

[Denver]

So... RL doesn't support AVX512 ? Now AMD has an good advantage for emulation(Up to 30% on RPCS3) and possibly PC Gaming depending on the developers' wishes and encouragement $$$ from AMD.

Useful info: https://hothardware.com/news/rpcs3-dev-details-gains-with-avx-512
https://whatcookie.github.io/posts/why-is-avx-512-useful-for-rpcs3/

 

[bug]

Nope, shit being spouted, my task is not your task, and I am not responsible for educating you on others use of computers.

You claimed you need more than 8P cores, he asked what for. His question is legit, but your answer is... I won't say it.

 

[Vayra86]

With all those ecore you can now open more tabs in google chrome or instead of one video on you tube you can now watch 2 at the same time while playing a game

But that already works since Intel releases quad cores, I mean... where is this supposed benefit on MSDT I keep wondering.

If they help ST a little bit by offloading from P cores, sure, but if this starts to work only when P core frequency is down, all we get is perhaps a little power consumption bonus. Sounds like laptop territory to me. I struggle to make sense of the purpose of adding all those E cores above maybe, 4? Well, apart from marketing/benchmarks.

 

[bug]

But that already works since Intel releases quad cores, I mean... where is this supposed benefit on MSDT I keep wondering.

In theory, if you put videos, background OS tasks and what not on E cores, you get better energy efficiency (that's why hybrid was first used on mobile phones).
In practice, I don't think a human being is always able to identify a low-power, low-priority task (e.g. does a transcode job in an out-of-focus window qualify?), so I think software/schedulers will take years before coming up with a somewhat reliable solution.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

please educate me ..

I asked him. he did not reply.. someone mentioned gaming .. so whats ur problem ?

if u need more cores intel/amd have a platform called HEDT (high-end desktop) and they have all the cores u wish or if u need some more cores for ur mysterious task, there is other segment called server ..

i series is for users, that doesnt need more cores


exactly .. new buzzword is "platform longevity" .. normies are just marketing repeaters

Who told you that I series is just for people with your perspective IE light use?!.

I'll let my IT department know, not, they would laugh there arses off at such ridiculous ideology.

I can't get down with people who assume we all just game and surf, its a solid fact a shit load of people do work with computers and no gaming or surfing but they're not on gamer's radars, Sad.

@bug it isn't crypto yet my business is my business sooooo.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

I would much prefer 16 P cores and 8 E cores.

 

[JustBenching]

But that already works since Intel releases quad cores, I mean... where is this supposed benefit on MSDT I keep wondering.

If they help ST a little bit by offloading from P cores, sure, but if this starts to work only when P core frequency is down, all we get is perhaps a little power consumption bonus. Sounds like laptop territory to me. I struggle to make sense of the purpose of adding all those E cores above maybe, 4? Well, apart from marketing/benchmarks.

The logic is the following. Most mainstream apps including games either scale up to 8 cores or to n cores. A 12p core cpu would be slower in the vast majority of applications compared s to an 8+16 configuration. So the question is, why go for 12p instead of 8+16 when the latter is faster?

 

[bug]

@bug it isn't crypto yet my business is my business sooooo.

Why bring it up in the first place then?
Because you have add to this thread is basically "I have to do this thing which you don't need to know about and it needs more P-cores. Shame on Intel for not taking care of me, You need to take my words at face value."

 

[Leshy]

Who told you that I series is just for people with your perspective IE light use?!.

I'll let my IT department know, not, they would laugh there arses off at such ridiculous ideology.

I can't get down with people who assume we all just game and surf, its a solid fact a shit load of people do work with computers and no gaming or surfing but they're not on gamer's radars, Sad.

@bug it isn't crypto yet my business is my business sooooo.

lol . it have to be a language barrier or somethink.

i work also with pc. i do 3d moddeling, nc programming, tool sims and stuff .. but all this work wont use more than 8 cores if u need more there is hedt and server ..

my point is that there is no need to have more cores for 95% .. if u are the special 5% good for u .. get a hedt

missed ur point but what ever .. its language barrier for sure

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

I would much prefer 16 P cores and 8 E cores.

You n me both mate but apparently our perspectives don't mean shit because bug and new guy said so?!.
They say go hedt, why are the E core's better on them?!.

Why do you believe I replied here?!.

Because we're talking about I13900 etc series, not Hedt, which Intel doesn't even have ATM.

Wtaf.

Do you need any of this translating leshy, what into?!.

@bug , no vitreous tone here, I am just discussing, I think Intel's new products are very good/interesting.

But I'm not going to suger coat my opinions.

As I have previously stated, I think they have gone with too many E core's and too few P, it's a opinion.

You can have one too and it doesn't necessarily have to continuously be in Defence mode.

 

[Solid State Brain]

As I have previously stated, I think they have gone with too many E core's and too few P, it's a opinion.

Arrow Lake (future Intel 15th gen CPU) is rumored to feature up to 32 E-cores and 8 P-cores, by the way.

 

[Ando]

I would much prefer 16 P cores and 8 E cores.

I mean it was as recent as 11th gen that intel had to go backwards on i9 core count (basically an 11700KS).
I know it’s a new node, but do you think it’s magic? They may not even be able to fit 16 P cores alone with their monolithic architecture. And even if they did, who’s to say it would beat AMD’s equivalent?
Intel is going a different route from AMD. If you want exclusively big cores, buy AMD.

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

Arrow Lake (future Intel 15th gen CPU) is rumored to feature up to 32 E-cores and 8 P-cores, by the way.

That's just stupid.

I mean it was as recent as 11th gen that intel had to go backwards on i9 core count (basically an 11700KS).
I know it’s a new node, but do you think it’s magic? They may not even be able to fit 16 P cores alone with their monolithic architecture. And even if they did, who’s to say it would beat AMD’s equivalent?
Intel is going a different route from AMD. If you want exclusively big cores, buy AMD.

I will buy whoever is the clear winner. Even if that is intel with their lesser 8 P cores. I am just stating that I would prefer more than 8 P cores rather than more E cores. Why do people like you attack people like me for having that opinion?

 

[JustBenching]

lol . it have to be a language barrier or somethink.

i work also with pc. i do 3d moddeling, nc programming, tool sims and stuff .. but all this work wont use more than 8 cores if u need more there is hedt and server ..

my point is that there is no need to have more cores for 95% .. if u are the special 5% good for u .. get a hedt

missed ur point but what ever .. its language barrier for sure

But even if that work used more than 8 cores, wouldn't you need ecores exactly in that situation?? I don't understand hte problem people have with ecores

 

[Leshy]

You n me both mate but apparently our perspectives don't mean shit because bug and new guy said so?!.
They say go hedt, why are the E core's better on them?!.

Why do you believe I replied here?!.

Because we're talking about I13900 etc series, not Hedt, which Intel doesn't even have ATM.

Wtaf.

Do you need any of this translating leshy, what into?!.

@bug , no vitreous tone here, I am just discussing, I think Intel's new products are very good/interesting.

But I'm not going to suger coat my opinions.

As I have previously stated, I think they have gone with too many E core's and too few P, it's a opinion.

You can have one too and it doesn't necessarily have to continuously be in Defence mode.

am i the new guy? mate .. if u want more cores.. there is hedt for u to purchase

go hedt because more cores more better i think LOL

there are cpus with more cores, so i dont know what u want .. go and buy them .. or u need to have i9 r9 engraved on IHS?

But even if that work used more than 8 cores, wouldn't you need ecores exactly in that situation?? I don't understand hte problem people have with ecores

same here .. this guy wants more cores .. but wait .. he wants more p cores.. for what? ... not even he knows why

ecores are better than pcores, but he wants P cores making me go insane but what ever...

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

am i the new guy? mate .. if u want more cores.. there is hedt for u to purchase

go hedt because more cores more better i think LOL

there are cpus with more cores, so i dont know what u want .. go and buy them .. or u need to have i9 r9 engraved on IHS?

Stop coping out for HEDT. It's not a valid argument.

 

[Leshy]

Stop coping out for HEDT. It's not a valid argument.

ofc its not valid argument .. its a FACT ... not enought cores in desktop ? go HEDT .. ez am i right?

That's just stupid.


I will buy whoever is the clear winner. Even if that is intel with their lesser 8 P cores. I am just stating that I would prefer more than 8 P cores rather than more E cores. Why do people like you attack people like me for having that opinion?

btw no1 attacks u .. just tell me why u need more P cores .. simple question

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

am i the new guy? mate .. if u want more cores.. there is hedt for u to purchase

go hedt because more cores more better i think LOL

there are cpus with more cores, so i dont know what u want .. go and buy them .. or u need to have i9 r9 engraved on IHS?


same here .. this guy wants more cores .. but wait .. he wants more p cores.. for what? ... not even he knows why

ecores are better than pcores, but he wants P cores making me go insane but what ever...

What Hedt, show me this new Hedt.

Oh and you said
"ecores are better than pcores, but he wants P cores making me go insane but what ever..."

Are you sure.

Again, show me how.

This I would like to see.

 

[Leshy]

What Hedt, show me this new Hedt.

Oh and you said
"ecores are better than pcores, but he wants P cores making me go insane but what ever..."

Are you sure.

Again, show me how.

This I would like to see.

is ur ISP blocking google? you can google out, that E cores are more effective ... to put it simply , they have better work/consumption ratio => they are better in MT .. in ST they are weaker, but u want more cores, that means, that ur misterious workload is highly paralelized .. so u dont need high clocks that P cores provide .. u need just more slow cores u need all E cores intel can provide you got it? or stil in the dark?

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

What Hedt, show me this new Hedt.

Oh and you said
"ecores are better than pcores, but he wants P cores making me go insane but what ever..."

Are you sure.

Again, show me how.

This I would like to see.

Hes talking about a $1k+ threadripper CPU which is not a feasible argument or practical.

btw no1 attacks u .. just tell me why u need more P cores .. simple question

Streaming? Video editing? Autocad? Im sure more P cores would be more beneficial in these applications than E cores.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

is ur ISP blocking google? you can google out, that E cores are more effective ... to put it simply , they have better work/consumption ratio => they are better in MT .. in ST they are weaker, but u want more cores, that means, that ur misterious workload is highly paralelized .. so u dont need high clocks that P cores provide .. u need just more slow cores u need all E cores intel can provide you got it? or stil in the dark?

AHH , well trolled.

E core's get trounced in IPC by P Cote's simply.

You think I don't know what Hedt platforms are coming out, I asked the question because I know the answer, none are coming out this year, none.

Bye new MEMBER

 

[enzolt]

People complaining about lack of real cores and not enough cores while all people do is play games, watch videos/movies and whack off to porn.. Like you really need real/more cores for that.

 

[Leshy]

AHH , well trolled.

E core's get trounced in IPC by P Cote's simply.

You think I don't know what Hedt platforms are coming out, I asked the question because I know the answer, none are coming out this year, none.

Bye new MEMBER

are you sure? can you back up this statement? i dont think, that you know what IPC represents but maybe i just did not found clock normalized test EvsPcore now u have chance to educate me. go ahead and link a test OLD MEMBER LOL

Streaming? Video editing? Autocad? Im sure more P cores would be more beneficial in these applications than E cores.

are you sure? most CAD does not scale with core count .. only exception is rendering (no1 does it on cpu .. there is gpu for rendering...) same with editing .. liveview is accelerated using GPU and i think, that no1 ll render with CPU nowadays.. but im not expert. i do not edit for living so maybe in this usecase u need more cores.. but more e cores

 

[CrAsHnBuRnXp]

are you sure? can you back up this statement? i dont think, that you know what IPC represents but maybe i just did not found clock normalized test EvsPcore now u have chance to educate me. go ahead and link a test OLD MEMBER LOL


are you sure? most CAD does not scale with core count .. only exception is rendering (no1 does it on cpu .. there is gpu for rendering...) same with editing .. liveview is accelerated using GPU and i think, that no1 ll render with CPU nowadays.. but im not expert. i do not edit for living so maybe in this usecase u need more cores.. but more e cores

Tell that to the company that I work for that uses CPU.

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

are you sure? can you back up this statement? i dont think, that you know what IPC represents but maybe i just did not found clock normalized test EvsPcore now u have chance to educate me. go ahead and link a test OLD MEMBER LOL


are you sure? most CAD does not scale with core count .. only exception is rendering (no1 does it on cpu .. there is gpu for rendering...) same with editing .. liveview is accelerated using GPU and i think, that no1 ll render with CPU nowadays.. but im not expert. i do not edit for living so maybe in this usecase u need more cores.. but more e cores

Why would I bother with a troll who doesn't back up shit, your on Ignore, welcome to Tpu.