Laptop Chipset Temperature

[Ruru]

It is not "totally without any cooling". Come on you guys! Some common sense needs to come into play here!

Are these chips encased in a sealed, insulated box! No! They are essentially out in the open where heat can simply radiate off and away from the chip. But is that all? NO! The laptop's cooling fan(s) is moving air through case to move that radiated heat out of the area too.

Would it make even a tiny bit of sense for ASUS, Dell, Acer, HP, Lenovo, Samsung, MSI, Apple and others to leave those chips "without any cooling"? Of course not. Would it make even a tiny bit of sense for those companies to leave those chips vulnerable to overheating when it costs so little to add additional cooling hardware? No, of course not.

Do you really think the electrical engineers and motherboard designers at those companies are stupid? Do you really think you are smarter then all of them?

Time to get real here, folks and face reality. You are not smarter than all those companies. Stop trying to fix things that are not broken.

If a chip is naked and doesn't even have a heatsink, I'd say that it's not cooled. If I'd blow air from my lungs to a CPU/GPU, is that considered as cooling?

And like said above, it's most likely just planned obsolescence (or saving few cents) to have high temps when you could put a heatsink there which would drop the temps significantly.

 

[sLowEnd]

I already have it made by Microsoft. Not sure if it's working as intended though

View attachment 307777 well I directed an Arctic fan running at half speed to the PCH. Temps lowered about 13 degree Celsius. Wouvv!

Wow, I have the exact same screwdriver kit. What a coincidence. lol

 

[mclaren85]

What thermal glue did you use?

I applied double sided tape around the silicon die.

Wow, I have the exact same screwdriver kit. What a coincidence. lol

Bought from ebay 10 years ago. for only 1$..

 

[Bill_Bright]

I applied double sided tape around the silicon die.

So you wrapped a blanket around it. Interesting.

it's most likely just planned obsolescence

I'm sure planned obsolescence thing has played role here.

Oh come on! Time to invest in tin foil again.

There's no expiration date (hidden or otherwise) on hardware. Computers become obsolete because new technologies are developed, or advances in technologies and protocols become the new industry standard.

Sony is not going to design in planned obsolescence! Why? Because that would be a death sentence for Sony. Samsung, Acer, HP, Dell and the others will take all their sales. Unless, of course, you are implying Sony, Samsung, and Dell, etc. are all in cahoots and conspiring to build-in planned obsolescence in all their laptops. In that case, I need to sell my home, liquify my savings and invest a tin mine!!!

If a chip is naked and doesn't even have a heatsink, I'd say that it's not cooled.

Well, I'm sorry, Kissamies, but that is just wrong. You may want to read up on IC packaging (and check the link in my sig to see if I might know a little about electronics hardware).

When you look at an IC (an "integrated circuit" or "chip") can you see the actual transistor gates? No, of course not. For one, they are too tiny but if they were exposed like that, they would be extremely vulnerable to damage from ESD, contaminates, physical abuse, heat and other threats. Even a spec of dust could cause a short!!! So the IC (the "die") is incapsulated in a special material, the "package" which not only provides physical protection, but also offers moderate heat dissipation. So the package is indeed a heatsink, even it doesn't have fins like a heatsink most of us are familiar with.

So it IS indeed, cooled in that way but also, as I noted before, there is air moving through the interior of the case. So as the package helps dissipate heat away from the IC die, the moving air helps move the heat away from the package - so again, it IS being cooled.

And like said above, it's most likely just planned obsolescence (or saving few cents) to have high temps when you could put a heatsink there which would drop the temps significantly.

Sorry again but this is just totally flawed logic. Again, there is no planned obsolescence with hardware. Other industries, maybe. But the extreme competition with computer hardware alone would make such a practice a death sentence for any company.

Saving a few cents? There's always that possibility - but not here. Why, because again, a heat sink is not needed. These components do NOT get hot enough to warrant an added heatsink.

IT IS CRITICAL to understand that electronics MUST be properly cooled. NO ARGUMENT there. But it is NOT essential to get it as cool as possible. AS LONG AS it is operating comfortably within its normal operating range (which can be quite warm, BTW) there is nothing to suggest cooler temps will improve performance, make it more stable, or extend its life expectancy.

One more thing - consumers are our own worst enemy here. Adding a heat sink would add to the weight and thickness of the laptop. Yet consumers keep demanding lighter and thinner laptops. This is exactly why laptops do NOT make good "gaming" machines or "desktop replacements" (IMO, as a technician), despite what their marketing weenies want everyone to believe. Manufacturers can pack the power of a PC into a tiny laptop case, but not the cooling. When you consider a quality tower case is challenged to keep the innards properly cooled, it is no wonder a tiny laptop case cannot.

 

[mclaren85]

So you wrapped a blanket around it. Interesting

That was only feasible method to keep hs intact.

Sony is not going to design in planned obsolescence! Why? Because that would be a death sentence for Sony. Samsung, Acer, HP, Dell and the others will take all their sales. Unless, of course, you are implying Sony, Samsung, and Dell, etc. are all in cahoots and conspiring to build-in planned obsolescence in all their laptops. In that case, I need to sell my home, liquify my savings and invest a tin mine!

I still insist that this is a planned obsolescence or saving few cents. Cause we all know, regardless of brand, laptops are all produced at some OEM factories (Quanta, compal etc.. very few)


Ps. The chip itself can sustain the prolonged heating no doubt about that. But the solder balls beneath the die will eventually crack or lost its connection after many heat and cold cycles.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I still insist that this is a planned obsolescence or saving few cents.

"Or"? LOL

Planned obsolescence and cost cutting are two totally different and unrelated concepts. Planned obsolescence has nothing to do with saving money. Planned obsolescence is the concept of building-in a feature or function that renders a product obsolete after a predetermined amount of time. In most cases, it is considered unethical and sometimes illegal. But it still has nothing to do with saving money.

And a third unrelated concept is your OEM factory reference as that too is totally different.

It is a fact that every electronics maker uses OEM suppliers. Every computer maker buys their CPUs from Intel or AMD. Why? Because they don't make their own CPUs. They buy their RAM from RAM makers. They buy their capacitors from capacitor makers. Resistors from resistor maker. Etc. Etc. Etc. and so on.

Sorry, but you really are making no sense here.