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Leaked AI-powered Game Revenue Model Paper Foretells a Dystopian Nightmare

GoldenX said:
My chair is VERY squeaky, and I have never spend a single penny on micro-transactions or DLC, or legal purch... ejem. Do I qualify?
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Sure, you qualify for an endless grind in pve and being a cannon fodder for pay2winners in pvp ...
 
BiggieShady said:
Sure, you qualify for an endless grind in pve and being a cannon fodder for pay2winners in pvp ...
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That's why I love emulators and single player games.
 
I've just read some of those slides and this sounds nasty, real nasty. I won't touch a game with this crap in it, no matter how good it looks.

One of the first slides describes how it constantly leads you on into thinking you're gonna win by buying something, but all it actually does is use bait and switch to frustrate the player into spending more. Fucking shysters. Gamers are nothing more than cows to be milked at every opportunity. There's nothing at all about providing any kind of user satisfaction there at all. Dystopian it is.
 
lZKoce said:
There's no stopping the rape train, right? I can see a lot of unhappy parents that have 1-click-payment set up for everything. And their phones and PC's are in kids orbital.
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Well, one thing that could stop this train is continued innovation and competition from "Indie" developers.


I would say we are only about 5 years from Indie devs having easy access to the AAA graphics we have now. Once the tools exist for a hobbyist to make the equivalent of a full Assassin's Creed game by themselves in a basement, they will make it so consumers can ignore the transaction-filled AAA games.

Sure the graphics won't be as good, the voice acting will be average most of the time, and there will be more bugs than usual... But the games will be much more creative, inexpensive, and built with the mindset of "gameplay comes first."
 
What a great read...some games have already some similar system implemented and by the looks of it it's only gonna get worse. It's sad to see that the AI is mostly used to manipulate and rip off people atm. At some point when the AI will be smart enough...oh will see what happens then :D
 
Liviu Cojocaru said:
What a great read...some games have already some similar system implemented and by the looks of it it's only gonna get worse. It's sad to see that the AI is mostly used to manipulate and rip off people atm. At some point when the AI will be smart enough...oh will see what happens then :D
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Nobody's ripping you off. You surrender your credit card voluntarily for each transaction.
 
bug said:
Nobody's ripping you off. You surrender your credit card voluntarily for each transaction.
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First I wasn't talking about me, second manipulating people into doing this it's a rip off as the game will not work "normal" but towards a purpose not revealed to the customer from the start...let me give you a few examples: religion, politics, marketing these "tools" are specifically designed and used (USUALLY,NOT ALL THE TIME) to manipulate people and not for a greater good (PERSONAL OPINION)
 
Liviu Cojocaru said:
First I wasn't talking about me, second manipulating people into doing this it's a rip off as the game will not work "normal" but towards a purpose not revealed to the customer from the start...let me give you a few examples: religion, politics, marketing these "tools" are specifically designed and used (USUALLY,NOT ALL THE TIME) to manipulate people and not for a greater good (PERSONAL OPINION)
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Yeah, well, games have been adapted their response to the player's gameplay since the days of the scrolling shooters where you could learn where each and every enemy spawned.
At the same time, I'm having a hard time understanding where's the rip-off when the player knowingly chooses to play a microtransactions enabled game. MTXs are there to sell, that's the whole point.
 
bug said:
Yeah, well, games have been adapted their response to the player's gameplay since the days of the scrolling shooters where you could learn where each and every enemy spawned.
At the same time, I'm having a hard time understanding where's the rip-off when the player knowingly chooses to play a microtransactions enabled game. MTXs are there to sell, that's the whole point.
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Ok I understand, but if this is the case why do they need to hide all this stuff, why aren't they open about it and specify from the begging that this is going to happen when you play this game?
Are you ok with this, don't you find anything wrong with it?
 
Liviu Cojocaru said:
Ok I understand, but if this is the case why do they need to hide all this stuff, why aren't they open about it and specify from the begging that this is going to happen when you play this game?
Are you ok with this, don't you find anything wrong with it?
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Well, I'm torn, atm. I mean, this right here is only a proof of concept. Whatever kind of company you're running, it's your duty to analyze your revenue model from time to time. Do I want to see this implemented in games? No, not in this form. But I don't play mtx enabled game much and even if I do, I stay away from pay2win titles. So if someone knowingly plays pay2win, then I don't see the grounds for them crying about the game making them, you know, pay. The big no-no is when this is applied to kids games.

In short, I see no reason to take out the pitchforks just yet. Just to cautiously move forward.
 
bug said:
So if someone knowingly plays pay2win
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That's the whole point of this thing...to make even the intelligent grown ups to fall in this trap because if you're not a hardcore gamer (even some of those fall into this) this system is will make it as difficult as possible for them to spot that they're scammed...example fake news on social media to manipulate you into voting (or not) for a specific candidate...this is real and it's happening now people need to be made aware if they're not smart enough to figure this out themselves :)

That's why these things need to be exposed so everybody can see...utmost respect for the person that risked to get this out!!!
 
Liviu Cojocaru said:
That's the whole point of this thing...to make even the intelligent grown ups to fall in this trap because if you're not a hardcore gamer (even some of those fall into this) this system is will make it as difficult as possible for them to spot that they're scammed...example fake news on social media to manipulate you into voting (or not) for a specific candidate...this is real and it's happening now people need to be made aware if they're not smart enough to figure this out themselves :)

That's why these things need to be exposed so everybody can see...utmost respect for the person that risked to get this out!!!
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I disagree. Pay2win is just like gambling. You either control it or it controls you. If you're not level-headed enough to limit your spending, hopefully you're level headed enough to stay away.
 
bug said:
I disagree. Pay2win is just like gambling. You either control it or it controls you. If you're not level-headed enough to limit your spending, hopefully you're level headed enough to stay away.
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Ok I am really curious (maybe I've missed something, sorry if I did) is this system specifically designed for a game that has the label pay2win? Please en light me
 
Liviu Cojocaru said:
Ok I am really curious (maybe I've missed something, sorry if I did) is this system specifically designed for a game that has the label pay2win? Please en light me
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No game is labeled pay2win.
But this is all about making the game progressively harder in order to make you buy something that makes it easier again. The very definition of pay2win.
 
bug said:
No game is labeled pay2win.
But this is all about making the game progressively harder in order to make you buy something that makes it easier again. The very definition of pay2win.
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There is no point in going forward with this as for you the one to blame would only be the player...
 
As stupid as it is, it is your point and I respect it ;)
 
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Way to blog out --Riot-- Games, there. They'll never guess what's under that smaller-than-average black bar.
 
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