Linux Club

[phill]

I am wondering if there was something that has tagged along for the ride which is most frustrating. But the latest Mint I downloaded and tried seemed to have the same issues with the network and also made the rig damn near unusable whilst the crunching was being used simply because of the sheer delay in from me clicking something to the system allowing it to do anything... Damn frustrating that was....

All of the other rigs have been fine, they've got a slight delay on them but nothing horrendous like this rig, I'm unsure why.. Even the rigs that had 4Gb of ram in and a HD not an SSD had the same sort of delay.. I think I might have to dig a little deeper to find out what is going on...

 

[Aquinus]

I am wondering if there was something that has tagged along for the ride which is most frustrating. But the latest Mint I downloaded and tried seemed to have the same issues with the network and also made the rig damn near unusable whilst the crunching was being used simply because of the sheer delay in from me clicking something to the system allowing it to do anything... Damn frustrating that was....

All of the other rigs have been fine, they've got a slight delay on them but nothing horrendous like this rig, I'm unsure why.. Even the rigs that had 4Gb of ram in and a HD not an SSD had the same sort of delay.. I think I might have to dig a little deeper to find out what is going on...

Oh, definitely try an earlier kernel then. I've used kernels that have pegged a core or two and completely crippled performance on my 3930k machine, but surprisingly will have zero impact on my HP Spectre I use for work using the same kernel. Weird kernel bugs are weird.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yesterday I think there was something going on as nothing would update from any of the PCs but that changed after a little while, maybe some server work or something but it just seems to be that setup really that has any issues... Not sure why... I thought it could be something to do with the Linux install and some drivers but I'm not sure why that would have such a massive effect...?? I'm a little confused by it to say the least...

Try a fresh install on a spare drive. If the problem persists, then it's the hardware, if not, it's the installation you're having a problem with.

 

[FinneousPJ]

okey i will download both arch manjaro and try it soon


pardon but which one of this os good for gaming? theres 4 of em

Any flavour of manjaro is fine. Since you have a low spec machine coming from windows I would say Xfce is your best bet.

 

[phill]

Oh, definitely try an earlier kernel then. I've used kernels that have pegged a core or two and completely crippled performance on my 3930k machine, but surprisingly will have zero impact on my HP Spectre I use for work using the same kernel. Weird kernel bugs are weird.

Try a fresh install on a spare drive. If the problem persists, then it's the hardware, if not, it's the installation you're having a problem with.

I've tried the same install as I had before, something isn't right with it.. Maybe it's the updates or something that's gone a little funky.. I wish I had the time to figure it out but it's not often on as much as I'd like but then when it's munching through 400w+ I understand why it's not lol But.. I might try another Minty install, maybe that might sort it out

@Aquinus Yep they sure are weird lol I use the same install for all of my crunchers and I'm pretty sure it's just that one that is having the issues.. Oh well, I'll just try and get the work units dealt with and then I'll see if I can get another install sorted out.. Damn PCs, always giving us problems

 

[FinneousPJ]

I've tried the same install as I had before, something isn't right with it.. Maybe it's the updates or something that's gone a little funky.. I wish I had the time to figure it out but it's not often on as much as I'd like but then when it's munching through 400w+ I understand why it's not lol But.. I might try another Minty install, maybe that might sort it out

@Aquinus Yep they sure are weird lol I use the same install for all of my crunchers and I'm pretty sure it's just that one that is having the issues.. Oh well, I'll just try and get the work units dealt with and then I'll see if I can get another install sorted out.. Damn PCs, always giving us problems

Maybe try something really old like Debian 8 or even 7.

 

[Aquinus]

@Aquinus Yep they sure are weird lol I use the same install for all of my crunchers and I'm pretty sure it's just that one that is having the issues.. Oh well, I'll just try and get the work units dealt with and then I'll see if I can get another install sorted out.. Damn PCs, always giving us problems

If arch installs the latest versions of everything on a clean install, that's probably not going to help you if the latest code is what's blowing up your install.

Maybe try something really old like Debian 8 or even 7.

^ Not a bad option, although I'd say use Ubuntu 18.04 LTS because it's practically the same as Debian, just with newer packages.

 

[Liquid Cool]

I didn't know there was a club for Linux. I was using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS(unity desktop), but just switched to Debian gnome.

Best,

Liquid Cool

 

[FinneousPJ]

If arch installs the latest versions of everything on a clean install, that's probably not going to help you if the latest code is what's blowing up your install.

^ Not a bad option, although I'd say use Ubuntu 18.04 LTS because it's practically the same as Debian, just with newer packages.

Well yeah, the whole point was to try older software

 

[phill]

Before hand the 18.3 Mint install did fine, I've not updated that stick so, I might just need to reinstall it but not do any updates.. Something to try I guess....

 

[lexluthermiester]

Maybe try something really old like Debian 8 or even 7.

^ Not a bad option, although I'd say use Ubuntu 18.04 LTS because it's practically the same as Debian, just with newer packages.

Mint is based on Ubuntu, he'll be fine.

Before hand the 18.3 Mint install did fine, I've not updated that stick so, I might just need to reinstall it but not do any updates.. Something to try I guess....

LOL! This. Should have finished reading through all the posts before responding...

I didn't know there was a club for Linux. I was using Ubuntu 16.04 LTS(unity desktop), but just switched to Debian gnome.

Best,

Liquid Cool

Welcome to the club!

 

[Aquinus]

Well yeah, the whole point was to try older software

Debian doesn't tend to just be older, it tends to be a lot older. Honestly, switching distros for something like this is overkill. It's very likely that just using an older kernel could clear up an issue like this. It's the same way with any driver that's baked into the kernel.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Debian doesn't tend to just be older, it tends to be a lot older.

Myth

 

[Solaris17]

Myth

No, Debian is pretty mainline. 10.1 that came out this july?

Its current kernel for example 4.19 was released in October of last year.

Its current Gnome version is 3.30 which came out last sept. The current release of gnome is 3.32 which came out in may (before the current 10.1 was even released)

Other debian based distros tend to run hotter code, things like ubuntu generally have more upto date versions even in their LTS releases. That doesn't mean you can install them on normal debian ot that debian will not update to them eventually but debian is known for stability for the most part because it runs everything with an LTS mindset.

This isnt the secret in the linux community. If you want bleeding edge you have to look for it or grab a distro that does it by nature.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This isnt the secret in the linux community. If you want bleeding edge you have to look for it or grab a distro that does it by nature.

While that's true, it's not like it's so old as to make it dated. Debian focuses on stability, so naturally it's going to be a bit behind the bleeding edge.

 

[Liquid Cool]

While that's true, it's not like so old as to make it dated. Debian focuses on stability, so naturally it's going to be a bit behind the bleeding edge.

Precisely why I picked it. The older I get...the more I appreciate stability over cutting edge. Albeit...I'm not a programmer or a power user. I mostly use my machines for historical research(stock market technical analysis), reading, writing, gaming...and...for storing my classic movies! For every single thing I use it for...it's stellar. Frankly, it's the first pc I've had in the last 7 years that I wasn't thinking it might blow up if I looked at it wrong...I actually sit at my computer with a big smile anymore. This thing is 100% dead silent and runs absolutely perfect...and I mean perfect.

Speaking of gnome, I was about to give up on it and go back to xfce, but when Gnome 3.30 hit the street...my machine really came alive. Runs WAY better than any previous version and I've been using gnome(off & on, aka love & hate) since the beginning of gnome 3.

Best,

Liquid Cool

 

[bug]

While that's true, it's not like it's so old as to make it dated. Debian focuses on stability, so naturally it's going to be a bit behind the bleeding edge.

It's not that it's dated, but if you buy new hardware, there's a good chance Debian (and Ubuntu/Mint and CentOS) will fail to recognize it properly.

 

[phill]

LOL! This. Should have finished reading through all the posts before responding...

Busy day at the office and wasn't looking what I was doing lol Still something to check over again... Never had the issue before even with the 18.3 release, so I'm guessing it's something I've done Either that or the micro code I've seen being updated has messed with things or something... Maybe it just needs a good slapping.........

 

[Aquinus]

Myth

It's not a myth. I'm assuming you're not using sid because that's really no better than running a rolling release and their releases tend to be pretty far behind. For example, you probably don't get PostgreSQL 11 with the latest Debian release, whereas Ubuntu has it on the last LTS. Generally speaking, Debian is slow to adopt new versions of packages.

 

[bug]

It's not a myth. I'm assuming you're not using sid because that's really no better than running a rolling release and their releases tend to be pretty far behind. For example, you probably don't get PostgreSQL 11 with the latest Debian release, whereas Ubuntu has it on the last LTS. Generally speaking, Debian is slow to adopt new versions of packages.

At the same time, that's not a bad thing because, while you don't get the latest and greatest from Debian, you do get great stability. You just have to know what you value more.

 

[potato580+]

i alr finish download manjaro xfce 18.04 stable x64 iso, will do installation now, i hope it can run game qith vega 8, anyway it is okey to ask or questioning on this thread? or should i open new thread for? thx adv

 

[FinneousPJ]

i alr finish download manjaro xfce 18.04 stable x64 iso, will do installation now, i hope it can run game qith vega 8, anyway it is okey to ask or questioning on this thread? or should i open new thread for? thx adv

Feel free to ping me whichever you do.

 

[potato580+]

okey so i was attempting to install as usually use rufus as media to create bootable os, but i found this error and cant process

i try both partition 1&2, either dont work, this is 1st time rufus has failed me, i never got problem install other distro before, anyone know the solution?

i might try to install directly by window, maybe it can work rather bootable pendrive

 

[lexluthermiester]

It's not that it's dated, but if you buy new hardware, there's a good chance Debian (and Ubuntu/Mint and CentOS) will fail to recognize it properly.

I have not had this experience. Mint accurately and properly recognizes everything I've recently thrown at it. Not worried.

It's not a myth. I'm assuming you're not using sid because that's really no better than running a rolling release and their releases tend to be pretty far behind. For example, you probably don't get PostgreSQL 11 with the latest Debian release, whereas Ubuntu has it on the last LTS. Generally speaking, Debian is slow to adopt new versions of packages.

It is completely a myth. The way you tell it people might get the idea that Debian(and thus everything it's based on) is rubbish because it's not on the bleeding edge of development, which is both inaccurate and untrue. Alot of users prefer Debian BECAUSE it's not on the bleeding edge, is well tested, very stable and well supported.

 

[GoldenX]

okey so i was attempting to install as usually use rufus as media to create bootable os, but i found this error and cant processView attachment 131672
View attachment 131673
i try both partition 1&2, either dont work, this is 1st time rufus has failed me, i never got problem install other distro before, anyone know the solution?

i might try to install directly by window, maybe it can work rather bootable pendrive

Make sure you used fat on Rufus, and try with DD instead of the normal ISO method.