Logitech G Pro X Superlight 2

[Legacy-ZA]

Got to say; I like my DeathAdder v2 Pro, the optical switches just keep going.

Would love a Mamba 2012 refresh, the DPi switches were integrated into the left mouse button, which makes switching DPi less of a hassle while maintaining precision, damn, that was a good mouse, hope they make a refresh, I loved the shape, a light version of it, wireless and 8000Hz Poll rate, might just make me purchase consider splashing some cash for it.

 

[Zareek]

This has been my experience of Logitech's gamer range, having owned several gaming mice going all the way back to the original first generation of MX in 2002.

At some point in the mid-2010s, their switch quality went to shit and the exact same person (me) using the mice in the exact same way as before (normally, I feel) was suddenly getting double-clicks and mis-clicks on mice that were under a year old and I became intimately familiar with Logitech's RMA process before ditching them for a brand that didn't use awful switches.

They were my go to for years. I still have several Logitech devices that are 10+ years old. All the newer stuff died very fast, and the new RMA process after never using the old one was enough for me to walk away. I ended up buying some cheapo Redragon crap. I was thinking if I need to replace them yearly anyway, why bother with expensive brands. Three years later, the original super cheap Redragon bargain-basement products I bought are still going strong! I doubt they'll last a decade like Logitech products once did, but they are MUCH cheaper too.

 

[529th]

Wait, for click latency, the 1st Gen Razer Viper 8K is the same as the OP1 8K??

 

[Carlyle2020hs]

I´ve had both. The new ones buttons are less nice.

 

[Wasteland]

This has been my experience of Logitech's gamer range, having owned several gaming mice going all the way back to the original first generation of MX in 2002.

At some point in the mid-2010s, their switch quality went to shit and the exact same person (me) using the mice in the exact same way as before (normally, I feel) was suddenly getting double-clicks and mis-clicks on mice that were under a year old and I became intimately familiar with Logitech's RMA process before ditching them for a brand that didn't use awful switches.

Yeah, I used a Logitech mouse from like 2005 to 2016 with zero problems. I think it was an MX500. Also had a Logitech membrane "gamer" keyboard for about 20 years. It still works.

Since that mouse died, I've gone through half a dozen Logitech mice, various models. (EDIT: actually, more than half a dozen, now that I think of it.) They all develop problems within a year or two, it seems. The g305 might be my favorite mouse ever, in terms of shape, performance, and bang-for-buck, but I'm getting tired of stocking spares. May I ask what brand(s) you settled on? I also tried Mionix and Razr, each once. My attempts to research this issue left me with the conclusion that most mice simply suck for longevity, these days.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah, I used a Logitech mouse from like 2005 to 2016 with zero problems. I think it was an MX500. Also had a Logitech membrane "gamer" keyboard for about 20 years. It still works.

Since that mouse died, I've gone through half a dozen Logitech mice, various models. (EDIT: actually, more than half a dozen, now that I think of it.) They all develop problems within a year or two, it seems. The g305 might be my favorite mouse ever, in terms of shape, performance, and bang-for-buck, but I'm getting tired of stocking spares. May I ask what brand(s) you settled on? I also tried Mionix and Razr, each once. My attempts to research this issue left me with the conclusion that most mice simply suck for longevity, these days.

I've only really bought two mice since the Logitech series of multiple RMAs, because a mouse should last several years and I only have 3 devices at home which need mice. My HTPC is using a (free gift) Razer Basilisk Ultimate V3, and has already been RMA'd once because the first one had a faulty antenna/receiver and kept disconnecting from both Bluetooth and the dedicated USB 2.4GHz dongle. Also, Synapse is a bloated, irritating PoS that I would rather not use, but Razer intentionally withheld some settings on the mouse from the onboard profile, so you need that malware installed if you want all the features to work :'(

The "good" mice that have worked flawlessly for several years now are my trusty Roccat Burst (optical switches) and a Glorious Model O (Kailh mechanical, rated for 80M clicks). I have heard good things about Steelseries too, but never owned one myself. Compared to my Logitech/Razer experience, I cannot recommend them enough.

 

[529th]

the optical switches just keep going.

Love optical switches. My keyboard is more consistent, even over HE magnetic switches, have yet to get an optical click sensor on a gaming mouse

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah, I used a Logitech mouse from like 2005 to 2016 with zero problems. I think it was an MX500.

My Logitech MX300 lasted from Christmas 2002 and survived years of left-click abuse from Diablo2, Starcraft1 and Starcraft2. It finally died during Diablo3 which was probably 9 years in at that point.

Logitech don't make them like they used to....

 

[Wasteland]

The "good" mice that have worked flawlessly for several years now are my trusty Roccat Burst (optical switches) and a Glorious Model O (Kailh mechanical, rated for 80M clicks). I have heard good things about Steelseries too, but never owned one myself. Compared to my Logitech/Razer experience, I cannot recommend them enough.

Excellent, thanks. I will check into them.

I've only really bought two mice since the Logitech series of multiple RMAs, because a mouse should last several years and I only have 3 devices at home which need mice. My HTPC is using a (free gift) Razer Basilisk Ultimate V3, and has already been RMA'd once because the first one had a faulty antenna/receiver and kept disconnecting from both Bluetooth and the dedicated USB 2.4GHz dongle. Also, Synapse is a bloated, irritating PoS that I would rather not use, but Razer intentionally withheld some settings on the mouse from the onboard profile, so you need that malware installed if you want all the features to work :'(

Yeah, quality issues aside, this is my main complaint about the likes of Razer. When you're researching peripherals that won't break in fifteen seconds, the fact that any given company might force a bloated malware suite on you adds insult to injury. My needs are modest, though; as long as I can set DPI and turn off any RGB, I'm happy. Third party tools (like piper) can usually suffice.

Logitech don't make them like they used to....

You can say that again. Same deal with headsets. I'm now basically confined to HyperX, because last time I checked, it was the only reputable brand that offers full-metal headbands at reasonable price points. Anything with even the tiniest reliance on plastic will break within three months, IME. This, too, is a fairly new development. I had a random plastic headset that lasted, IDK, 7-8 years? Then in 2019 or so, the clown show began.

 

[Garrus]

price is insane, end of story

i recently had a logitech G403 (their best used to be $40 mouse, the old one with braided cable) fail and I was shocked how few of their mice have been updated to wireless and usb-c, and if updated, the absurd prices

got a $20 wired gaming mouse from HyperX on sale that was basically the same as Logitech's $100 ones and a $60 Asus one with bluetooth and wireless support for my mac

i'd like a lighter G703 with USB-C and bluetooth support for $80 USD.... been waiting forever

 

[Pax256]

Wish they would rework their G305 to fix that speaker screeching when running the mouse. Its a nice mouse otherwise but the interference into the pc speakers makes it unusable here. I prefer AA battery mice they last forever and they are more affordable...

 

[pzogel]

Wait, for click latency, the 1st Gen Razer Viper 8K is the same as the OP1 8K??

When ignoring GX Speed mode on the OP1 8K, yes it is. With GX Speed Mode, the OP1 8K pulls up ahead by 1.4 ms.

Since GX Speed mode lowers physical latency, it's difficult to represent on the graph, as I'd had to show a negative value, the reason for which isn't easy to communicate through a chart.

 

[evernessince]

Love optical switches. My keyboard is more consistent, even over HE magnetic switches, have yet to get an optical click sensor on a gaming mouse

Optical switches are actually opto-mechanical switches. The only difference between them and mechanical switches is that mechs are triggered by a contact leaf while optical a beam of light.

There's no inherent feature of an optical switch that makes it more consistent, what you are describing is likely placebo. Optical was supposed to be lower latency but I've tested dozens of optical and mechanical keyboards and often a quality mechanical keyboard was superior. At the end of the day the switch itself is not responsible for much of the delay in a keyboard so the theoretical benefits of optical turned out to be essentially nothing. The biggest determiner of latency in modern gaming keyboards is actuation distance. It might take you 38ms to go 1.0mm while 1.5mm might take you 65ms. In addition, that key doesn't register immediately either, unless of course you are using Hall Effect Switches with something like Rapid Trigger enables. Another good example of optical advantages turning out to be a dud is longevity, optical switches are supposed to last longer but I've never had a single switch fail on me ever on any keyboard.

Hall Effect switches are without a doubt better than either because Hall effect switches have completely adjustable actuation distance and are ready to trigger without needing the key to hit the rest point. This massively reduces latency, it's a night a day difference. Hence why the entire high end keyboard market has been chasing wooting since the 60HE came out.

I'm thinking anyone saying optical is better really hasn't tried one of wooting's new KBs.

 

[529th]

Optical switches are actually opto-mechanical switches. The only difference between them and mechanical switches is that mechs are triggered by a contact leaf while optical a beam of light.

There's no inherent feature of an optical switch that makes it more consistent, what you are describing is likely placebo. Optical was supposed to be lower latency but I've tested dozens of optical and mechanical keyboards and often a quality mechanical keyboard was superior. At the end of the day the switch itself is not responsible for much of the delay in a keyboard so the theoretical benefits of optical turned out to be essentially nothing. The biggest determiner of latency in modern gaming keyboards is actuation distance. It might take you 38ms to go 1.0mm while 1.5mm might take you 65ms. In addition, that key doesn't register immediately either, unless of course you are using Hall Effect Switches with something like Rapid Trigger enables. Another good example of optical advantages turning out to be a dud is longevity, optical switches are supposed to last longer but I've never had a single switch fail on me ever on any keyboard.

Hall Effect switches are without a doubt better than either because Hall effect switches have completely adjustable actuation distance and are ready to trigger without needing the key to hit the rest point. This massively reduces latency, it's a night a day difference. Hence why the entire high end keyboard market has been chasing wooting since the 60HE came out.

I'm thinking anyone saying optical is better really hasn't tried one of wooting's new KBs.

In my personal upgrade history it's been optical that has been more consistent over mechanical keyboards. Nothing scientific just the boards I've tried out. And maybe going back 10yrs? The most recent Optical KB I've used before upgrading was a Corsair K60 Pro TKL 1st gen. If it had adjustable actuation points and rapid trigger I might still be using it but I pulled out my Gen 1 Apex Pro TKL after find out it got the Rapid Trigger firmware upgrade.

Currently I've been using a Huntsman V3 Pro for close to a month now while waiting for my 80HE to come in and now after ? 7-8 months of waiting due to a production issue it finally arrived... and I have no urgency to put it together, but when I do, if you wanna get back to me, I can give you my personal opinion on them.

 

[evernessince]

In my personal upgrade history it's been optical that has been more consistent over mechanical keyboards. Nothing scientific just the boards I've tried out. And maybe going back 10yrs? The most recent Optical KB I've used before upgrading was a Corsair K60 Pro TKL 1st gen. If it had adjustable actuation points and rapid trigger I might still be using it but I pulled out my Gen 1 Apex Pro TKL after find out it got the Rapid Trigger firmware upgrade.

Currently I've been using a Huntsman V3 Pro for close to a month now while waiting for my 80HE to come in and now after ? 7-8 months of waiting due to a production issue it finally arrived... and I have no urgency to put it together, but when I do, if you wanna get back to me, I can give you my personal opinion on them.

7-8 months isn't a long time, go ahead and get back to me whenever you try it out and LMK what you think.

 

[PixelTech]

The switches are just not the greatest... (using optical only mode) The mouse feet are terrible and malicious to change the shape of the feet from the non-2 GPX. If your not going to change the material, don't change the shape. In no way improved the glide. The texture is alright for a non hand sweating person as myself.

 

[boomheadshot8]

g502 hero wired for 10 years no problemo the middle click was a bit off and left right also
Never opened it but i think it's "dust" inside, need a good clean

 

[Dawora]

Superlight 1 "gen2" new buttons are super loud, they last longer maybe but i dont like the sound