M.2 for legacy mainboard

[caliber]

here you are 3 similar adapters that look like quite different.
the first one requires external power supply just like the second one without the bottom connector pins
the third one seems to get the power from the mainboard.... am I missing something
this DDR2,3,4 adapter is more suitable to me because it's away from the graphic card overheating.
I would like to guess that a normal BIOS will not detect it as an incompatible device.

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[Mussels]

Thats just sticking a SATA SSD in an unused memory slot, still needs a SATA cable running to your mobo, and sata power from the PSU

I'm not sure what you're looking for here... NVME is the only reason to bother with m.2, otherwise just stick with a 2.5" drive

 

[caliber]

Thats just sticking a SATA SSD in an unused memory slot, still needs a SATA cable running to your mobo, and sata power from the PSU

my question is why doesn't the red adapter module need external power supply ?

 

[agent_x007]

Because what RAM slots provides is enough (apparently).
I would like to have a seperate SATA power on china made M.2 to RAM slot adapter.
Also, there is a chance it's for DDR3 only, or DDR4 only.

 

[caliber]

I would like to have a seperate SATA power on china made M.2 to RAM slot adapter.

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[aQi]

No I won't be buying more mainboards I have 4 and mostly use 1 ....99% of the time.
can I then use a M2 SATA with a PCI card adapter ? something similar to the Kingston UV500

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I want to keep all SATA ports for HDD's and use the PCIex 2 or 16 for a M2.
if it doesn't boot Windows without UEFI I'm done.

There are some nvme drives that natively support older systems because they have pre installed ACHI driver in them. Such as Samsung and Plextor drivers (the old ones)
People use them with most of their x58 based systems.
The commonly used is Samsung’s 950 pro.

Other work around is Clover or DEUT (Software based) as mentioned by @agent_x007

 

[caliber]

There are some nvme drives that natively support older systems because they have pre installed ACHI driver in them.

are you sure the M2 AHCI drives don't require EFI ?

1. NVMe ones (usually need an NVMe EFI BIOS module to be bootable),
2. AHCI ones (need a specific AHCI EFI BIOS module to be bootable) and
3. SATA ones (are connected to the chipset's SATA Controller, don't need an additional BIOS module).

 

[Flaky]

There are some nvme drives that natively support older systems because they have pre installed ACHI driver in them. Such as Samsung and Plextor drivers (the old ones)
People use them with most of their x58 based systems.
The commonly used is Samsung’s 950 pro.

950 pro is a pure NVMe drive. There isn't anything related to AHCI on it. People mistake being bootable (thanks to option rom) with AHCI.
All drives that had option rom aren't sold anymore.

OP, is this really worth the hassle? Why not just have 5HDDs and one conventional SATA SSD?

 

[aQi]

are you sure the M2 AHCI drives don't require EFI ?

1. NVMe ones (usually need an NVMe EFI BIOS module to be bootable),
2. AHCI ones (need a specific AHCI EFI BIOS module to be bootable) and
3. SATA ones (are connected to the chipset's SATA Controller, don't need an additional BIOS module).

My bad i wrote AHCI. Actually those old drives had legacy option rom driver that enabled them to be used on older systems.
Anyways if you still want to have a hassle free booting. You can search for these nvme drives
Plextor M8PEY
Kingston HyperX Predator
Samsung 950 Pro
I can assure of Samsung 950 pro but people did use the other two saying it does the same as it has option rom.

950 pro is a pure NVMe drive. There isn't anything related to AHCI on it. People mistake being bootable (thanks to option rom) with AHCI.
All drives that had option rom aren't sold anymore.

OP, is this really worth the hassle? Why not just have 5HDDs and one conventional SATA SSD?

I was on another forum and was not paying attention. Yes thats the option rom driver being injected in those drives that worked like a charm yet they stopped doing that so that people may buy newer motherboards i guess

and the OP wants to keep all sata ports restricted to SATA drives(storage) and install a separate nvme for booting.

 

[Flaky]

Yeah, but at the same time OP still links to M.2 SATA adapters that would require sacrificing one SATA port for adapted M.2 SSD.
That would mean that he's fine with sparing one SATA for SSD.
The thing I don't get is why still insist on getting a SATA in M.2 form factor...

 

[aQi]

Yeah, but at the same time OP still links to M.2 SATA adapters that would require sacrificing one SATA port for adapted M.2 SSD.
That would mean that he's fine with sparing one SATA for SSD.
The thing I don't get is why still insist on getting a SATA in M.2 form factor...

lol now i am confused. I thought we were going to buy those pci express sata cards and getting the job done however NMVE speeds are impressive and booting is like a smartphone so that SATA option is a no go. Just speculating as the OP is showing more interest towards NVME

 

[Assimilator]

@caliber please stop wasting your time and others'.

Your ancient motherboard DOES NOT SUPPORT EFI so there is NO POSSIBILITY of using an NVMe drive natively.

Your ancient motherboard only has a single PCIe x16 slot, which seems to be occupied by a graphics card, so you have NOWHERE to plug in a PCIe-to-NVMe adapter card (which are PCIe x4).

Thus you currently have NO POSSIBILITY of using an NVMe drive.

You ONLY option for more storage is a SATA PCIe x1 expansion card like the one I previously posted. Your board has 2 PCIe x1 slots so you can position such a card above or below the GPU.

If that is not possible because you have an equally ancient GPU that overheats, you need to upgrade to a newer motherboard with better expansion capabilities.

Fin.

 

[Mussels]

Assimilator, no need to be rude about his hardware. That's uncalled for.

 

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[ntdouglas]

@caliber please stop wasting your time and others'.

Your shitty ancient motherboard DOES NOT SUPPORT EFI so there is NO POSSIBILITY of using an NVMe drive natively.

Your shitty ancient motherboard only has a single PCIe x16 slot, which seems to be occupied by a graphics card, so you have NOWHERE to plug in a PCIe-to-NVMe adapter card (which are PCIe x4).

Thus you currently have NO POSSIBILITY of using an NVMe drive.

You ONLY option for more storage is a SATA PCIe x1 expansion card like the one I previously posted. Your board has 2 PCIe x1 slots so you can position such a card above or below the GPU.

If that is not possible because you have an equally shitty GPU that overheats, you need to upgrade to a non-shitty motherboard.

Fin.

Nice job of sugarcoating it Assimilator lol.

 

[juiseman]

I have read about this a few times; never tried it. I think it will still be bottle necked by other things man..

 

[ntdouglas]

Ahahaha too funny. Whats up Mussels haven't talked to you in about 10 years or so.

 

[Assimilator]

Nice job of sugarcoating it Assimilator lol.

I'm just really tired of people with ancient hardware posting threads asking for help getting their setup to work with modern hardware, and then ignoring every suggestion given to them in favour of chasing unicorns. If you don't want to take any advice, why did you bloody well ask in the first place?

 

[ntdouglas]

I'm just really tired of people with ancient hardware posting threads asking for help getting their setup to work with modern hardware, and then ignoring every suggestion given to them in favour of chasing unicorns. If you don't want to take any advice, why did you bloody well ask in the first place?

Just noobs (or coneheads)posting thats all. But thats what forums are for. Its obviously keeping you entertained.

 

[Kapone33]

I used an M2 in an adapter card on a Fm2 board. As that was a PCIe 2.0 slot the max sequential read was 1.5 Gb/s in benchmarks. Windows 10 has native support for NVME so that should make it pretty painless. I don't know about boot but definitely check the MB manual for PCIe boot support.

lol now i am confused. I thought we were going to buy those pci express sata cards and getting the job done however NMVE speeds are impressive and booting is like a smartphone so that SATA option is a no go. Just speculating as the OP is showing more interest towards NVME

There is almost no humanly perceptible difference between an SSD and NVME when it comes to boot so that makes no sense.

 

[aQi]

I'm just really tired of people with ancient hardware posting threads asking for help getting their setup to work with modern hardware, and then ignoring every suggestion given to them in favour of chasing unicorns. If you don't want to take any advice, why did you bloody well ask in the first place?

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I used an M2 in an adapter card on a Fm2 board. As that was a PCIe 2.0 slot the max sequential read was 1.5 Gb/s in benchmarks. Windows 10 has native support for NVME so that should make it pretty painless. I don't know about boot but definitely check the MB manual for PCIe boot support.


There is almost no humanly perceptible difference between an SSD and NVME when it comes to boot so that makes no sense.

Between an SSD and NVME ? You mean Sata and NVME ?

ofcorse having a SATA interface SSD is the best option for all times. NVME relatively gets hot too but i am referring to an iphone with NVME where the user enjoys prompt application response something i have witnessed on any NVME when experiencing windows yet surprisingly i have witnessed SATA SSD doing the same which have sustainable R/W with speeds between 550mb to 600mb.

The matter is of consistent reads and writes.

 

[Kapone33]

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Between an SSD and NVME ? You mean Sata and NVME ?

Yes but NVME drives do not work on SATA. SSD drives do fit in M2 and SATA ports.

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Between an SSD and NVME ? You mean Sata and NVME ?

ofcorse having a SATA interface SSD is the best option for all times. NVME relatively gets hot too but i am referring to an iphone with NVME where the user enjoys prompt application response something i have witnessed on any NVME when experiencing windows yet surprisingly i have witnessed SATA SSD doing the same which have sustainable R/W with speeds between 550mb to 600mb.

The matter is of consistent reads and writes.

In a lot of cases a 1 TB SSD will give you better sustained read and write performance than NVME in real world usage.

 

[agent_x007]

I'm just really tired of people with ancient hardware posting threads asking for help getting their setup to work with modern hardware, and then ignoring every suggestion given to them in favour of chasing unicorns.

I like unicorns

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[aQi]

I like unicorns
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Ha ha ha nailed it. With your uni corn stick

 

[Tomgang]

950 PRO totally confirmed to work on X58. But it seems asus and gigabyte is the ones to go for nvme fun. While EVGA boards don't seem to play nicely with 950 PRO.

I dont know if op already made a choice, but here is a screen shot of my system with 950 PRO as boot drive and my old thread I made here. There might be some valid info to OP.

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