Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[R-T-B]

Eradication has never been a requirement

No but if it’s in reach with something as dangerous as this we’d be fools not to aim for it.

Shoot for the moon, and be happy if you even escape the atmosphere, you know?

 

[R-T-B]

Pfizer = 30 micrograms, in 7 days fully inoculated after second shot, and 100% prevention of hospitalizations and 100% prevention of deaths.
Moderna = 100 micrograms, in 14 days fully inoculated after second shot, and 89% prevention of hospitalizations and 100% prevention of deaths.

any scientists here that can explain why there is a magnitude of over 60% discrepancy in the amount of material (70 microgram difference) needed for moderna vs pfizer, even though essentially they are very similar.

Paging @xkm1948

 

[dragontamer5788]

Pfizer = 30 micrograms, in 7 days fully inoculated after second shot, and 100% prevention of hospitalizations and 100% prevention of deaths.
Moderna = 100 micrograms, in 14 days fully inoculated after second shot, and 89% prevention of hospitalizations and 100% prevention of deaths.

any scientists here that can explain why there is a magnitude of over 60% discrepancy in the amount of material (70 microgram difference) needed for moderna vs pfizer, even though essentially they are very similar.

My understanding is that Moderna is a newer company, and decided to err on the side of "more vaccine". Some study showed that 50ug of Moderna was as effective as 100ug.

Ultimately: Moderna tested with 100ug. Pfizer tested with 30ug. Since that's what was tested, we stick with that.

 

[Space Lynx]

My understanding is that Moderna is a newer company, and decided to err on the side of "more vaccine". Some study showed that 50ug of Moderna was as effective as 100ug.

Ultimately: Moderna tested with 100ug. Pfizer tested with 30ug. Since that's what was tested, we stick with that.

Well since I have the option I am going to choose Pfizer then, less stuff entering my body the better.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Well since I have the option I am going to choose Pfizer then, less stuff entering my body the better.

Yeah, I'm sure it really depends on the area.

I just checked a bunch of reservation sites here in my area. Everything is typically entirely out of reservation slots. When I set stuff up for my parents, I was happy just to get any slot what so ever.

Last week, it looked like more doses were being delivered. But now we've moved from phase 1C to 2... and now it feels like all slots are taken up again. Getting any vaccine what so ever is lucky (even if you're in the priority groups) around here.

 

[Space Lynx]

Yeah, I'm sure it really depends on the area.

I just checked a bunch of reservation sites here in my area. Everything is typically entirely out of reservation slots. When I set stuff up for my parents, I was happy just to get any slot what so ever.

Last week, it looked like more doses were being delivered. But now we've moved from phase 1C to 2... and now it feels like all slots are taken up again. Getting any vaccine what so ever is lucky (even if you're in the priority groups) around here.

does the johnson and johnson vaccine have a 100% death prevent rate like the other two vaccines do? not hospitalization, i specifically mean the death rate

 

[68Olds]

does the johnson and johnson vaccine have a 100% death prevent rate like the other two vaccines do? not hospitalization, i specifically mean the death rate

I have read that the J&J vaccine is 100% at preventing death, but I couldn't find a link for you backing up that claim.

 

[dragontamer5788]

does the johnson and johnson vaccine have a 100% death prevent rate like the other two vaccines do? not hospitalization, i specifically mean the death rate

https://www.fda.gov/media/146217/download

As of February 5, 2021, there were 7 COVID-19 related deaths in the study in the placebo group and no COVID-19 related deaths in the vaccine group.

This doesn't mean that J&J is actually 100% effective, it just means that it was measured to be 100% effective in the phase 3 trial. However, we can confidently say that the actual effectiveness against death is somewhere between 99% and 100%. It looks like a few participants in the vaccine-group did die during the trial, but it was found to not be related to COVID19 or the vaccine (which is only natural when your study includes 40,000 individuals)

I'm not a doctor but I took high-school science / statistics and understand p-values / statistics / null-value hypothesis, lol. So yeaaaaahhhh, feel free to correct me if you read the study differently.

 

[Space Lynx]

https://www.fda.gov/media/146217/download

This doesn't mean that J&J is actually 100% effective, it just means that it was measured to be 100% effective in the phase 3 trial. However, we can confidently say that the actual effectiveness against death is somewhere between 99% and 100%. It looks like a few participants in the vaccine-group did die during the trial, but it was found to not be related to COVID19 or the vaccine (which is only natural when your study includes 40,000 individuals)

I'm not a doctor but I took high-school science / statistics and understand p-values / statistics / null-value hypothesis, lol. So yeaaaaahhhh, feel free to correct me if you read the study differently.

this is excellent news... I am leaning towards the J&J vaccine honestly. I don't know, I have heard about blood clotting with astra zeneca and pfizer that doctor from florida who died shortly after getting pfizer vaccine, and the news article i read about it said he had low platelet count, whatever that means.

but i remember the first week of december when covid was kicking my butt, i literally mean it, i thought i was going to die. i remember telling the doctor, my blood felt "congealed" i had no idea what i meant by that at the time, but looking back on all this blood clotting stuff, i really wonder if some people are more susceptible to this low platelet stuff or blood clotting than others, i know its very rare... but still, having experienced what covid did to my blood, and having a good memory of it. im almost scared of all the vaccines right now. but I think the J&J one had no reports of blood clotting... so I think maybe safe bet if i go with that one...

 

[the54thvoid]

this is excellent news... I am leaning towards the J&J vaccine honestly. I don't know, I have heard about blood clotting with astra zeneca and pfizer that doctor from florida who died shortly after getting pfizer vaccine, and the news article i read about it said he had low platelet count, whatever that means.

but i remember the first week of december when covid was kicking my butt, i literally mean it, i thought i was going to die. i remember telling the doctor, my blood felt "congealed" i had no idea what i meant by that at the time, but looking back on all this blood clotting stuff, i really wonder if some people are more susceptible to this low platelet stuff or blood clotting than others, i know its very rare... but still, having experienced what covid did to my blood, and having a good memory of it. im almost scared of all the vaccines right now. but I think the J&J one had no reports of blood clotting... so I think maybe safe bet if i go with that one...

People die regardless of vaccines. This was from 18th March:

In the UK, five cases of cerebral sinus vein thrombosis (CSVT), among 11 million people who have received the vaccine, occurred in men aged between 19 and 59. One of these was fatal.

The incidence was less than the normal population numbers. Blood clots are more lilely to happen with covid.

 

[dragontamer5788]

this is excellent news... I am leaning towards the J&J vaccine honestly. I don't know, I have heard about blood clotting with astra zeneca and pfizer that doctor from florida who died shortly after getting pfizer vaccine, and the news article i read about it said he had low platelet count, whatever that means.

but i remember the first week of december when covid was kicking my butt, i literally mean it, i thought i was going to die. i remember telling the doctor, my blood felt "congealed" i had no idea what i meant by that at the time, but looking back on all this blood clotting stuff, i really wonder if some people are more susceptible to this low platelet stuff or blood clotting than others, i know its very rare... but still, having experienced what covid did to my blood, and having a good memory of it. im almost scared of all the vaccines right now. but I think the J&J one had no reports of blood clotting... so I think maybe safe bet if i go with that one...

It should be noted that all of these phase 3 trials "only" test for "One in 10,000" probabilities. J&J had a 40,000 person test for example. Which means if something is a "one-in-a-million" chance of happening, these phase 3 trials are probably blind to them.

Testing for the "long tail" is just a bitch-and-a-half for any scientist. We're able to get to over 99.99% certainty (quite literally, 9999 out of 10,000) of the safety of any vaccine. AstraZeneca included. If a blood clotting issue does exist (and studies are still ongoing for that), it will be a 1-in-100,000 or a literal 1-in-a-million chance of happening.

 

[Space Lynx]

@the54thvoid @dragontamer5788

Just to be clear, I am not an anti-vaccine person, I usually get a flu vaccine every two years just fyi, even though I am young and don't really need it.

That being said. I think I will just have to close my eyes and do it. and hope for best, because the truth is after having covid once (possibly twice) i know for a fact my body is weak against it. it truly kicked my ass both times.

if pfizer is available i am going to do it. if not then moderna, if no then jnj.

 

[R-T-B]

It should be noted that none of the vaccines actually contain any form of the virus, killed or otherwise, so your reaction to the virus itself should not be cause for concern.

 

[Space Lynx]

It should be noted that none of the vaccines actually contain any form of the virus, killed or otherwise, so your reaction to the virus itself should not be cause for concern.

that's not my concern at all really, it's mostly 2 years from now, will our bodies go haywire... mrna is very new, researched a long time true, but still new in living breathing humans.

that being said, i do think the vaccine is safe 99.90% for short term. im just afraid im part of that .10% and yes its an irrational fear, i know that.

and then also long term... like what if our lungs or kidneys start failing two years from now, does anyone really understand mrna genetic editing? is this hubris? these are questions i am asking myself. why should I trust Fauci? he said no masks in March 2020, and I said that's most stupid thing I ever heard, and told my parents we should wear masks to be extra safe anyway. he gets paid 6 figures though and I don't, so who do i trust

 

[HTC]

Here are Portugal's updated numbers this week.



The pics are, in order, last day updated numbers and every day since then until today's numbers (click for full picture), and the below numbers are current totals, week totals and daily averaged this week:

- 28179 active cases --- 5264 less --- 752 less per day
- 775391 recovered --- 15974 more --- 2282 more per day
- 16837 fatalities --- 69 more --- 10 more per day
- 820407 confirmed infected --- 2877 more --- 411 more per day

- 8979190 tests taken --- 207770 more --- 29681 more per day but was last updated March 26th and it includes antigen tests as well
- 1599599 vaccinated --- 251268 more --- last updated today but that corresponds to 1130258 1st doses + 469341 2nd doses
- 633 hospitalized --- 132 less --- 19 less per day
- 142 in ICU --- 28 less --- 4 less per day

Hospitalized had another big decrease and ICU also dropped significantly. Daily fatalities continue to drop and we had more days with under 10 fatalities. Vaccinations had a slight bump but the vast majority were from 1st doses, with less than 10% being 2nd doses.

Because of Easter, we still have high restrictions that will last until after Easter, as it would not make sense to start re-opening now, only to "re-close" during Easter and re-open again later: while this is bad from an economic standpoint, it means we learned from what happened with Christmas and, as such, this Government plan has my FULL SUPPORT.

 

[R-T-B]

mrna is very new, researched a long time true, but still new in living breathing humans.

In vaccines, yes, but your body has used it daily since the day you were born.

does anyone really understand mrna genetic editing?

I think we understand it far too well. I'm more concerned about the social implications than any side effects.

Not an expert, just my thoughts. OT anyways.

 

[R0H1T]

It should be noted that none of the vaccines actually contain any form of the virus, killed or otherwise, so your reaction to the virus itself should not be cause for concern.

Yeah no that's not accurate AFAIK. Unless you were talking specifically about a subset of them, available in the west?

Explained: What is Covaxin, India’s Covid-19 vaccine candidate; how long before approval?

 

[R-T-B]

Yeah no that's not accurate AFAIK. Unless you were talking specifically about a subset of them, available in the west?

I was referring to Lynxs options so yes, vaccines available stateside.

 

[HTC]

Here are Portugal's updated numbers this week.



The pics are, in order, last day updated numbers and every day since then until yesterday's numbers (click for full picture), and the below numbers are current totals, week totals and daily averaged this week:

- 26134 active cases --- 2045 less --- 292 less per day
- 780322 recovered --- 4931 more --- 704 more per day
- 16879 fatalities --- 42 more --- 6 more per day
- 823335 confirmed infected --- 2928 more --- 418 more per day

- 9126967 tests taken --- 147777 more --- 24630 more per day but was last updated April 1st and it includes antigen tests as well
- 1833218 vaccinated --- 233619 more --- last updated yesterday but that corresponds to 1281718 1st doses + 551500 2nd doses
- 517 hospitalized --- 116 less --- 17 less per day
- 117 in ICU --- 25 less --- 4 less per day

The main report wasn't published Saturday, so i had to use the situation report instead.

Hospitalized had another big decrease and ICU also dropped significantly. Daily fatalities continue to drop and the week average has dropped below 10 for the 1st time in many months.

However, new cases had a slight bump and our R number for the Algarve region is substantially ABOVE 1 (1.16 average), unlike the rest of the country, where it's BELOW 1. Because of this, i think it's premature to move to stage 2 of re-opening, which is exactly what Portugal did today.

 

[TheLostSwede]

I'd say China has had a lot more than their claimed 90k cases and 4.6k deaths, considering this:

Wuhan cemeteries see 320,000 early mourners before Tomb Sweeping Festival: Chinese media | Taiwan News | Apr. 6, 2021 18:21

320,000 mourners entered Wuhan cemeteries 2 weeks before Tomb Sweeping Festival | Apr. 6, 2021 18:21

www.taiwannews.com.tw

More like 90k+ dead.

 

[Space Lynx]

I'd say China has had a lot more than their claimed 90k cases and 4.6k deaths, considering this:

Wuhan cemeteries see 320,000 early mourners before Tomb Sweeping Festival: Chinese media | Taiwan News | Apr. 6, 2021 18:21

320,000 mourners entered Wuhan cemeteries 2 weeks before Tomb Sweeping Festival | Apr. 6, 2021 18:21

www.taiwannews.com.tw

More like 90k+ dead.

China lying? Say it ain't so.

 

[the54thvoid]

I'd say China has had a lot more than their claimed 90k cases and 4.6k deaths, considering this:

Wuhan cemeteries see 320,000 early mourners before Tomb Sweeping Festival: Chinese media | Taiwan News | Apr. 6, 2021 18:21

320,000 mourners entered Wuhan cemeteries 2 weeks before Tomb Sweeping Festival | Apr. 6, 2021 18:21

www.taiwannews.com.tw

More like 90k+ dead.

That's a given. But even then, that's a low number. What about Russia? It's also doctored it's deaths. I don't see the point in accusing China of lying about deaths when it's pretty obvious it has been doing so. It's illogical to single it out. Making one bogey-man is a strategy many other nations want us to make. Let's instead consider what China did to control it. Things no other country could (or would dare to try). I mean, some people have issues with wearing a surgical mask. They say they have no effect (can't imagine why all surgeons wear them during surgery...). China took people from their homes and placed them in quarantine. Absolute lack of indiviudual rights. But then, the Chinese cultural system is all about the good of the nation, not the individual. So, by removing individual rights, they stamped on the root problem - transmission. It couldn't happen in a democracy. But then again, democracies are full of entitled ideologies that care not for the greater good, rather their own selfish interests. Sometimes, even democracies need to sacrifice something.

As for deaths. UK has 125k+. Have a go at us for being too lax. US is above half a million deaths. Brazil has 333k+ (and Bolsinaro openly tried to shut down the recording of deaths). Look at some African countries - they deny it altogether. Even to the point it's likely the president of Tanzania - a Covid denier - died of it. It's a really simple thing here - China lies about most things. It's a deeply protective state. What is more insidious is the open 'democracies' that hinder, or otherwise obfuscate their numbers. I'm sort of proud Britain screwed up. We did it in a particularly bumbling British way. But we were honest, mostly.

Is China covering up it's deaths? Yes. Is it the only country doing so? No. Not by a long shot. I'd say it's worse that some nations deny the virus exist, to the point places like Turkmenistan arrest people for speaking of the virus. Oddly enough, the CDC has it on the highest threat for Covid.

 

[Space Lynx]

That's a given. But even then, that's a low number. What about Russia? It's also doctored it's deaths. I don't see the point in accusing China of lying about deaths when it's pretty obvious it has been doing so. It's illogical to single it out. Making one bogey-man is a strategy many other nations want us to make. Let's instead consider what China did to control it. Things no other country could (or would dare to try). I mean, some people have issues with wearing a surgical mask. They say they have no effect (can't imagine why all surgeons wear them during surgery...). China took people from their homes and placed them in quarantine. Absolute lack of indiviudual rights. But then, the Chinese cultural system is all about the good of the nation, not the individual. So, by removing individual rights, they stamped on the root problem - transmission. It couldn't happen in a democracy. But then again, democracies are full of entitled ideologies that care not for the greater good, rather their own selfish interests. Sometimes, even democracies need to sacrifice something.

As for deaths. UK has 125k+. Have a go at us for being too lax. US is above half a million deaths. Brazil has 333k+ (and Bolsinaro openly tried to shut down the recording of deaths). Look at some African countries - they deny it altogether. Even to the point it's likely the president of Tanzania - a Covid denier - died of it. It's a really simple thing here - China lies about most things. It's a deeply protective state. What is more insidious is the open 'democracies' that hinder, or otherwise obfuscate their numbers. I'm sort of proud Britain screwed up. We did it in a particularly, bumbling British way. But we were honest, mostly.

Is China covering up it's deaths? Yes. Is it the only country doing so? No. Not by a long shot. I'd say it's worse that some nations deny the virus exist, to the point places like Turkmenistan arrest people for speaking of the virus. Oddly enough, the CDC has it on the highest threat for Covid.

my main concern with China is delaying investigators into the Wuhan lab for a full year. and then the WHO comes out and says, no evidence was found in the Wuhan lab that this virus came from there... well no wonder Sherlock... they had a full year to clean up any mistakes they made. lol and as you put it, China is very very efficient... they could have cleared up that mistake very quickly if they needed to do so. I still find it hard to believe the WHO is so willing to ignore the possibility it came from the Wuhan lab in China, a lab that literally experimented on bats with genetic editing, happens to be the same place the first breakout starts... and 95% of people are asymptomatic, it seems very plausible to me some employees may have had it and then it just spread asymptomatically by accident, then boom explosion.

however, that's not what bothers me, what bothers me is the WHO and it's unwillingness to even consider the possibility. do I think it's some government operation conspiracy? nope, I don't even think scientists did it intentionally, but I do think it is possible it happened by accident. the WHO is highly overrated organization imo. I voted for Biden, but I don't agree with my tax money going to the WHO, they are puppets. my tax money should be going to free community college for all USA citizens to give people a chance to get out of poverty.

 

[64K]

Johnson and Johnson is the least effective vaccine. They are pushing it for free in grocery stores here. The pushers don't even know about the inner workings of the vaccine. Like the millions of vaccines ruined by mishandling.

 

[Space Lynx]

Johnson and Johnson is the least effective vaccine. They are pushing it for free in grocery stores here. The pushers don't even know about the inner workings of the vaccine. Like the millions of vaccines ruined by mishandling.

I thought j&j had better results in South Africa than AstraZeneca? and also AZ officially has ties to bloot clots in brain now, J&J does not.

im getting pfizer personally. moderna hasn't brought a successful product to market in their entire company history, and have had 10 fda rejections in their entire history. 0 success rate except for this "emergency permit for the vaccine" i only trust pfizer this round, but to each their own.