Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[Tatty_Two]

Are you sure about the 8-12 weeks? Everyone in my family has gotten the 2nd dose in 4-5 weeks. My second shot is this coming Tuesday and my first shot was exactly one month ago.

That was certainly the recommended dosage periods (3-4 weeks) recommended by the manufacturers when submitting their phase 3 trial findings to Governments for approval, the UK decided to lengthen the time between doses to offer more of the population some protection quicker, Pfizer said at that point that it had little data on the implications of that, since then Pfizer and AZ (I can't speak for Moderna) have done some lengthy research and have indeed found that the efficacy for both increases during those timescales but in reality we are only talking 2 or 3% (I think), many would say that it's better to have 90 - 95% protection within 4 weeks than an extra few % in 8 - 12 weeks and they quite possibly would be right.

 

[dragontamer5788]

that's not what I mean, Biden is only talking about 80 million over a long stretch of time. I mean yank all the doses right now - distribute a few hundred million over night to hotspots. its already been proven from the UK studies you get more antibodies if you delay the second shot of pfizer to a few months instead of a few weeks. so second shotters should wait anyway.

The children are only starting to get vaccinated right now. The US certainly has an abundance of vaccine but we shouldn't give it all away.

USA must still prepare for fall reopening of schools. It's months away, but it takes some time to distribute vaccines.

The 12+ age group only recently got access to the vaccine, and soon younger than 12 will be done testing (a reduced dose due to their smaller bodies).

That being said, the USA will clearly be a leader in manufacturing vaccines. I'm not sure what the donation process should look like, and I'm kind of leaning towards giving the vaccine to WHO (or some other 3rd party) and for them to focus on how to distribute it. There is a limited number of vaccines and distributing them fairly to other countries will be difficult.

 

[Space Lynx]

The children are only starting to get vaccinated right now. The US certainly has an abundance of vaccine but we shouldn't give it all away.

USA must still prepare for fall reopening of schools. It's months away, but it takes some time to distribute vaccines.

The 12+ age group only recently got access to the vaccine, and soon younger than 12 will be done testing (a reduced dose due to their smaller bodies).

That being said, the USA will clearly be a leader in manufacturing vaccines. I'm not sure what the donation process should look like, and I'm kind of leaning towards giving the vaccine to WHO (or some other 3rd party) and for them to focus on how to distribute it. There is a limited number of vaccines and distributing them fairly to other countries will be difficult.

it would be nice to see the actual number of first shots being given day to day... I have a suspicion its near zero. every clinic I check even for young people online, has every single slot open...

Where is he going to get all these doses? It's not like they are lying around in some cold storage facility or is it, and are they physically his to give in the first place. As for the timespan between 1st and 2nd doses, the data that I have seen suggests the optimum period between doses is 8 - 12 weeks and thereafter the benefits are diminished, I had my 2nd exactly 10 weeks after the first, our government was very concerned about going beyond 12 weeks, maybe that was precautionary though.

thousands and thousands of clinics that have every single slot appointment open...

 

[Tatty_Two]

But will all of those clinics be able to store the vaccines in those cold conditions meaning do they all have industrial style freezers, I only questioned it because you mentioned in your original post hundreds of millions overnight, even if there was a freezer in all of them and all those freezers were full it would take a huge logistical operation to bring them together from the 4 corners of the US in the appropriate deep freeze containers to ship them out, for me, even if such numbers do actually physically exist in the US it appears it would be easier to order direct with the manufacturer (so in effect give up some future US orders) who can then presumably organise with the WHO or whoever to transport and distribute globally....... but even that would take time.

 

[Space Lynx]

But will all of those clinics be able to store the vaccines in those cold conditions meaning do they all have industrial style freezers, I only questioned it because you mentioned in your original post hundreds of millions overnight, even if there was a freezer in all of them and all those freezers were full it would take a huge logistical operation to bring them together from the 4 corners of the US in the appropriate deep freeze containers to ship them out, for me, even if such numbers do actually physically exist in the US it appears it would be easier to order direct with the manufacturer (so in effect give up some future US orders) who can then presumably organise with the WHO or whoever to transport and distribute globally.

you must not have heard the news. Pfizer can now be stored same as Moderna for 30 days at much easier temps. FDA approved it a few weeks ago.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Yep but it's still -15 to -50 for Moderna, as I said, it has to be simpler to get them manufactured and sent straight to continents directly through a 3rd party handler such as the WHO rather than physically move any existing physical stock from thousands of locations throughout the US.

 

[Space Lynx]

Yep but it's still -15 to -50 for Moderna, as I said, it has to be simpler to get them manufactured and sent straight to continents directly through a 3rd party handler such as the WHO rather than physically move any existing physical stock from thousands of locations throughout the US.

Additional Information. Based on a review of recent data submitted by Pfizer Inc. today, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration is authorizing undiluted, thawed Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine vials to be stored in the refrigerator at 2°C to 8°C (35°F to 46°F) for up to 1 month.May 19, 2021

 

[Tatty_Two]

I got that data for Moderna as you mentioned them and for the 30 day+ requirements as it is quite possible it would take more than that time I believe with your suggestion.

Storage & Handling | Moderna COVID-19 Vaccine (EUA) (modernatx.com)

As I mentioned, much easier to get orders direct to continents from manufacturers, shifting hundreds of millions from 3.8 million square miles (USA) is likely to be the biggest logistical nightmare of the 21st century so far

Having said all of that, purely based on my perceived practicalities, I am in absolute agreement that more has to be done, and done now to get the world, or at least at first the most vulnerable people in the world vaccinated, even optimistically thinking that could be achieved by the end of next year means that even those countries fully vaccinated well before then would remain at a level of risk.

 

[TheLostSwede]

214 new cases and 26 dead. Most likely lower numbers due to it having been weekend and not everything having been reported.

Taiwan reports 211 local COVID cases, 26 deaths | Taiwan News | Jun. 7, 2021 21:53

Taiwan announces 26 deaths, bringing death toll to 286 | Jun. 7, 2021 21:53

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[dragontamer5788]

Apparently, my state has reached 70% Age 18+ 1st-dose sometime last week. (Last Monday, we were still around 68%. I wasn't checking every day)

1st doses have slowed down dramatically, but still having 8000+ 1st doses/day here in my state.

EDIT: The 70.8% figure is only applicable to the 18+ crowd. There are ~6-million residents in my state, so the 3-million fully vaccinated correlates to ~50% of our population (including children, who largely cannot take the vaccine yet because the 12-and-under tests are not yet complete)

 

[Tatty_Two]

Seems the US in general are doing really well, here in the UK we are on 41 million first doses (78% adult population) of which 28.5 million (55% of adult population) have had both doses, we have not yet decided if under 16's will receive the vaccine.

 

[HTC]

Here are Portugal's updated numbers this week.



The pics are, in order, last day updated numbers and every day since then until Sunday's numbers (click for full picture), and the below numbers are current totals, week totals and daily averaged this week:

- 23715 active cases --- 893 more --- 128 more per day
- 811897 recovered --- 3084 more --- 441 more per day
- 17034 fatalities --- 11 more --- 2 per day
- 852646 confirmed infected --- 3988 more --- 570 more per day

- 11966284 tests taken --- 220017 more --- 36670 more per day but was last updated June 3rd and it includes antigen tests as well
- 6006145 vaccinated --- 563563 more --- last updated Sunday but that corresponds to 3958681 1st doses + 2047464 2nd doses
- 265 hospitalized --- 6 less --- 1 less per day
- 52 in ICU --- 2 less --- less than 1 per day

The main report wasn't published on several days, so i had to use the situation report instead.

Week fatalities increased VS last week despite TWO more days with zero fatalities: the week average has dropped below 10 for the 10th consecutive week. New cases increased again and the R number increased to 1.10 on average. Roughly 39.5% of Portugal's population has received the vaccine's 1st dose and roughly 20% have received both doses.

The R number continues to climb (latest figure is from June 4th) and we also crossed the 6M doses given mark (total).

 

[Space Lynx]

Seems the US in general are doing really well, here in the UK we are on 41 million first doses (78% adult population) of which 28.5 million (55% of adult population) have had both doses, we have not yet decided if under 16's will receive the vaccine.

I think it is a good thing most young people are being given the Pfizer jabs in UK. Seems to me the AZ is a little weaker, and leaves the economy open for shut down if it was 100% only one used. BioNTech and Pfizer saved the day imo, Moderna a close second.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I think it is a good thing most young people are being given the Pfizer jabs in UK. Seems to me the AZ is a little weaker, and leaves the economy open for shut down if it was 100% only one used. BioNTech and Pfizer saved the day imo, Moderna a close second.

Well the AZ has not yet been approved for use for under 16's yet in the UK, the question is if the government will offer it, it's a difficult one both clinically and morally if only because some experts are saying the risk of taking the vaccine may be greater than the risk from Covid for that age range (12 - 15), it will be interesting to see which way we go.

 

[Space Lynx]

Well the AZ has not yet been approved for use for under 16's yet in the UK, the question is if the government will offer it, it's a difficult one both clinically and morally if only because some experts are saying the risk of taking the vaccine may be greater than the risk from Covid for that age range (12 - 15), it will be interesting to see which way we go.

Seychelles has already proved which way we all should go, and that is mRNA if you want to keep your economies open.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Seems the US in general are doing really well, here in the UK we are on 41 million first doses (78% adult population) of which 28.5 million (55% of adult population) have had both doses, we have not yet decided if under 16's will receive the vaccine.

USA is doing well in general, but my state is very far ahead of the curve. Average USA is 63% 1st dose Age 18+ vaccinated (https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#vaccinations)

 

[hat]

Well,I wouldn't have a problem getting a booster shot eventually when needed. The vaccine wasn't terrible, I'd do it again to do my part in keeping myself and everyone else safe.

 

[Space Lynx]

Well,I wouldn't have a problem getting a booster shot eventually when needed. The vaccine wasn't terrible, I'd do it again to do my part in keeping myself and everyone else safe.

I think a lot of people will hold off on booster until we get a new wave/lockdown. I hope I am wrong, but complacency seems to be human nature.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Seychelles has already proved which way we all should go, and that is mRNA if you want to keep your economies open.

Well maybe yes, however an Island with a population of under 100,000 is not really comparable with the US or UK, whilst the idea may well be good, I would guess the challenges might be greater for us.

 

[Deleted member 50521]

mRNA by itself is not impressive. The sequence design of mRNA is, literally programming at genetic level to maximize host cell expression. A crappy coded mRNA vaccine still wont do squat.

 

[dragontamer5788]

mRNA by itself is not impressive. The sequence design of mRNA is, literally programming at genetic level to maximize host cell expression. A crappy coded mRNA vaccine still wont do squat.

The double-helix structure of DNA was only discovered in 1953. And only in the 1990s did we begin to have fast enough computers to start exploring the genetic code. Sure, RNA is different from DNA, but IIRC, these mRNA vaccines are created from DNA, so mastery of the DNA code was necessary for mass production of these mRNA vaccines.

 

[R-T-B]

The double-helix structure of DNA was only discovered in 1953. And only in the 1990s did we begin to have fast enough computers to start exploring the genetic code. Sure, RNA is different from DNA, but IIRC, these mRNA vaccines are created from DNA, so mastery of the DNA code was necessary for mass production of these mRNA vaccines.

RNA is literally just DNA without a redundant half (single-helix) used for error correction.

I mean there are a few small differences besides that, but they are very close in design.

 

[TheLostSwede]

"Only" 219 new cases, but 22 deaths, suggesting that testing isn't really happening at a great rate.

Taiwan reports 219 local COVID cases, 22 deaths | Taiwan News | Jun. 8, 2021 22:16

Taiwan announces 22 deaths, bringing death toll to 308 | Jun. 8, 2021 22:16

www.taiwannews.com.tw

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
Texas legislators unanimously banned covid vaccination passports plus 14 other states have done similar, medical history is private once again !!!
Now no business/.... can't ask if someone has been vaccinated that isn't wearing a mask and can not be refused entry and services.

 

[the54thvoid]

Medical history isn't revealed by wearing a face mask. But whatever, those who want to do so can, those who want to be vaccinated can get it.

Frankly, I think the US (CDC) guidance is awesome, insofar as those who have been vaccinated have no requirement under safety to wear a mask.

When I get my second Pfizer I don't see any rational need to wear a mask but I'll be asked to do so.