Maps, science, data & statistics tracking of COVID-19

[Tatty_Two]

thank you for linking this... this will be absolutely brilliant for me and my relatives/friends...

I hope they figure out if I will need to pay out of pocket for expensive private company based PCR tests too... cause that was a major reason for me not coming, 100 quid for a blimey test, 200 quid total since two tests required... insane... like wth is the point of getting vaccinated if I'm not going to be rewarded for it. i mean technically i shouldn't get the jab at all if i work remote and have no contact with others. i'm lucky enough to be in that situation now and I wasn't 6 months ago. if they make it a pain to travel still after fully vaccinated i don't see the point really for my current situation anyway.

I'm doing second shot if they do pass this law. I will wait the required 14 days, then come visit my friends'relatives in England finally... after such long wait... will wear N95 and my eye goggles everywhere I go... lucky they all work remote too... so I can isolate in the guest house they have just to be extra safe anyway, wait 2 days take a PCR test and if good to go then i will just act normal around them lol

Because the vaccine significantly reduces transmission, however "significantly reduces" is not the same as "eradicates" Personally I am against England opening it's borders to any country unless the arrangement is reciprocal, in the case of the USA it's not, well certainly not initially, apparently there are concerns over the levels of the Delta variant here, like there is not a sh*tload of it over the pond already, but that's just selfish me talking because I normally holiday in the states every other year

 

[Xzibit]

Because the vaccine significantly reduces transmission, however "significantly reduces" is not the same as "eradicates" Personally I am against England opening it's borders to any country unless the arrangement is reciprocal, in the case of the USA it's not, well certainly not initially, apparently there are concerns over the levels of the Delta variant here, like there is not a sh*tload of it over the pond already, but that's just selfish me talking because I normally holiday in the states every other year

From the CDC media telebriefing yesterday. They made the mask back up guidance due to new data that they saw. Delta loads on vaccinated & unvaccinated people are similar so it seamed they were worried both vaccinated & unvaccinated people transmission of Delta similarly. She (CDC director) said they are currently investigating it but didn't provide any details aside from places we are seeing with high transmission. At least that's what I got from the briefing.

Oh, She did say that the data of the Delta variant they are seeing this also includes other countries

 

[dragontamer5788]

Over 500 cases/day here in my State again. We hit a low of ~100 cases/day (just under, maybe 96 was our bottom, averaged over a week) before this Delta variant started causing the statistics to climb back up. We still are among the lowest in the country in terms of the number of cases per capita, but this undoubtedly is showing the increasing spread of Delta.

%Positive is ticking back up. Our number of tests have remained nearly 20,000 tests/day, even at the low point. Seems like my state is pretty good about constantly testing as part of "good hygiene". (If you travel to other states, some companies require a negative test before you come into the office. Not mine, but more and more of my local friends are talking about this policy and how they have to be tested)

Testing remains high, vaccination remains high (among the best in the country), awareness remains high... masking is coming back. Not much left to do but hope for the best. With luck, we'll be hit with Delta at a far lesser level compared to some other states. We share a major highway which goes all the way down to Florida (and there are plenty of Florida vacationers around here: people who own a vacation home there or travel there regularly). We can't close our borders with other states: even if those states are among the worst in the nation with respect to Delta. So we just gotta grit our teeth and take it at this point.

 

[the54thvoid]

Well, Scotland has just under 1400. And our population is slightly less. 500 sounds good to me!

We were at 3500-4000, during our last Delta peak a few weeks ago.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Well, Scotland has just under 1400. And our population is slightly less. 500 sounds good to me!

We were at 3500-4000, during our last Delta peak a few weeks ago.

Its more about the 400+% increase from a few weeks ago (going from ~96 cases/day to 500 cases/day is a terrible trendline!!)

500 cases/day is good in absolute terms, but this COVID19 thing seems to "stick to a trend" far longer than any of us like. If it keeps growing at that rate for another few weeks, we'll be in trouble. No one really knows when the trend will stop after all. Hope for the best / prepare for the worst, as they always say.

 

[64K]

Here in my county new cases are way up, hospitalizations way up, ICU patients up. Thankfully deaths from Covid are not way up but are increasing. Still the percentage of fully vaccinated people are below the national average in my state with only 39% fully vaccinated.

 

[Bones]

From the CDC media telebriefing yesterday. They made the mask back up guidance due to new data that they saw. Delta loads on vaccinated & unvaccinated people are similar so it seamed they were worried both vaccinated & unvaccinated people transmission of Delta similarly. She (CDC director) said they are currently investigating it but didn't provide any details aside from places we are seeing with high transmission. At least that's what I got from the briefing.

Oh, She did say that the data of the Delta variant they are seeing this also includes other countries

I'm bringing up a point about all this:

The CDC and others are literally lumping folks into "Vaccinated" or "Unvaccinated" groups and expressing it as one or the other related to who has immunity or not.
In this way they are saying if vaccinated, you've got immunity and if not you don't - Drawing a hard line between the two which is not entirely true.

Those that have been exposed to and beaten it on their own shoudn't need the vaccine because the purpose of which the vaccine is for has already been accomplished naturally, meaning there is no benefit from getting the shot.
In fact it's been suggested before those that already have aquired natural immunity should not take it.

If you've had it already and beaten it without the vaccine, you have immunity;
The very same immunity the vaccine is supposed to cause the body to have when it triggers the production of antibodies against it .

And speaking of a vaccine, it's not like the antibodies once created because of it are any different or better than what would be created in the body via actually having and beating the disease.
The same body does the same job and makes the same antibodies in the same way in either instance.

Or as it could be expressed in laymen terms of "The manufacturer, method of manufacture and all materials used for the manufacture of these antibodies is the same" because the body creates them in the same way in either case of viral contraction.

With all this, understand:
I'm not saying don't get it, I'm saying the way it's being referred to by either term isn't the entire truth.

Just sayin.

 

[the54thvoid]

I'm bringing up a point about all this:

The CDC and others are literally lumping folks into "Vaccinated" or "Unvaccinated" groups and expressing it as one or the other related to who has immunity or not.
In this way they are saying if vaccinated, you've got immunity and if not you don't - Drawing a hard line between the two which is not entirely true.

Those that have been exposed to and beaten it on their own shoudn't need the vaccine because the purpose of which the vaccine is for has already been accomplished naturally, meaning there is no benefit from getting the shot.
In fact it's been suggested before those that already have aquired natural immunity should not take it.

If you've had it already and beaten it without the vaccine, you have immunity;
The very same immunity the vaccine is supposed to cause the body to have when it triggers the production of antibodies against it .

And speaking of a vaccine, it's not like the antibodies once created because of it are any different or better than what would be created in the body via actually having and beating the disease.
The same body does the same job and makes the same antibodies in the same way in either instance.

Or as it could be expressed in laymen terms of "The manufacturer, method of manufacture and all materials used for the manufacture of these antibodies is the same" because the body creates them in the same way in either case of viral contraction.

With all this, understand:
I'm not saying don't get it, I'm saying the way it's being referred to by either term isn't the entire truth.

Just sayin.

The vaccines, while not perfect, do provide a more global benefit. Delta (iirc) is capable of reinfecting those already hit by Alpha, or Beta, whatever 'Kent' was.

Also, as @lynx29 has said, one vaccine plus previous infection is as good as two shots. In other words, infection and recovery alone isn't as good. Part of that is how the Pfizer and moderns work giving them better resistance.

One shot of AZ is not great against Delta.

 

[Bones]

There are reports of those that's had the vaccine being infected with Delta as well, if that's really the case the vaccine is of no real benefit against it.
It's a virus, it's gonna mutate.... Not alot we can do about that.

I must beg to differ because there have been studies that say naturally aquired immunity is better than what's acheived with the vaccine.
TBH there is still alot we don't know about it all and it is an ever-changing situation too, that being the fly in the ointment about it.

 

[Tatty_Two]

The vaccines, while not perfect, do provide a more global benefit. Delta (iirc) is capable of reinfecting those already hit by Alpha, or Beta, whatever 'Kent' was.

Also, as @lynx29 has said, one vaccine plus previous infection is as good as two shots. In other words, infection and recovery alone isn't as good. Part of that is how the Pfizer and moderns work giving them better resistance.

One shot of AZ is not great against Delta.

I seem to recall back in the winter there were literally loads of people who caught the original strain from our 1st wave who then caught the Alpha variant and a lot got hospitalised, however fewer pro rata died I think so some positive there.

Edit: The efficacy of a vaccine relates to serious illness and mortality, around 30% still transmit, the benefit of the vaccine therefore is a lot less chance of getting really sick or dying which is good enough for me at least.

 

[Xzibit]

I must beg to differ because there have been studies that say naturally aquired immunity is better than what's acheived with the vaccine.
TBH there is still alot we don't know about it all and it is an ever-changing situation too, that being the fly in the ointment about it.

I'm sure i'll butcher this but it was one of the question and answers that got my attention

There was a Q&A in the CDC briefing. One of the questions ask to the CDC Director was along the lines of what kind of coverage do we need to get at where we would turn the corner and have any of the models show this. Her answer was a I don't know. She said that perhaps the people who they work with have done the work but she hasn't seen them.

I was thinking, More than a year into this and no interest not even a peek. I would at least asked or looked by now.

 

[the54thvoid]

I'm sure i'll butcher this but it was one of the question and answers that got my attention

There was a Q&A in the CDC briefing. One of the questions ask to the CDC Director was along the lines of what kind of coverage do we need to get at where we would turn the corner and have any of the models show this. Her answer was a I don't know. She said that perhaps the people who they work with have done the work but she hasn't seen them.

I was thinking, More than a year into this and no interest not even a peek. I would at least asked or looked by now.

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Delta messes with the previous studies, however,

COVID-19 vaccines currently authorized in the United States have been shown to be effective against SARS-CoV-2 infections, including asymptomatic and symptomatic infection, severe disease, and death. These findings, along with the early evidence for reduced viral load in vaccinated people who develop COVID-19, suggest that any associated transmission risk is likely to be substantially reduced in vaccinated people. While vaccine effectiveness against emerging SARS-CoV-2 variants remains under investigation, available evidence suggests that the COVID-19 vaccines presently authorized in the United States offer protection against known emerging variants, including the Delta variant, particularly against hospitalization and death. Data suggest lower vaccine effectiveness against confirmed illness and symptomatic disease caused by the Beta, Gamma, and Delta variants compared with the ancestral strain and Alpha variant.


Evidence suggests the U.S. COVID-19 vaccination program has the potential to substantially reduce the burden of disease in the United States by preventing serious illness in fully vaccinated people and interrupting chains of transmission. The risks of SARS-CoV-2 infection in fully vaccinated people cannot be completely eliminated where community transmission of the virus is widespread. Vaccinated people can still become infected and spread the virus to others. Current efforts to maximize the proportion of the U.S. population that is fully vaccinated against COVID-19 remain critical to ending the COVID-19 pandemic.

They can't give a specific number, i.e. (figure plucked from thin air) 85% vaccinations, as the remaining 15% accounts for 49 million people. That's a lot of potential spread. You need very high vaccination rates for herd immunity and an end to the problem. I think given the ongoing hesitance of certain groups, the US won't ever reach herd immunity. And Delta probably wont be the last variant considering the length of time the virus is being given to mutate. This was stated last year with reference to Brazil (due to the presidents stance).

Anyway. I feel for those in the US trying to deal with this rationally. Y'all come over and visit the sunny UK when you're all jabbed up.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Those that have been exposed to and beaten it on their own shoudn't need the vaccine because the purpose of which the vaccine is for has already been accomplished naturally, meaning there is no benefit from getting the shot.

P1 (Gamma variant) disproves you entirely. This Brazil variant reinfects individuals who rely upon natural immunity, because natural immunity is far weaker than vaccine immunity. EDIT: In contrast, vaccinated individuals are safe from Gamma. So we have a clear example of vaccinations beating a variant where natural immunity fails.

The vaccines, while not perfect, do provide a more global benefit. Delta (iirc) is capable of reinfecting those already hit by Alpha, or Beta, whatever 'Kent' was.

I wouldn't be surprised by this fact... but... I haven't personally seen studies suggesting Delta's rate of reinfection. I've only heard of Gamma's ability to reinfect.

Do you have any citations on Delta's possible reinfection rates? (Delta is newer than Gamma, so there's still much to be learned about this new variant...)

 

[the54thvoid]

It could be gamma I read about. But it's clear Covid can reinfect.

 

[Bones]

P1 (Gamma variant) disproves you entirely. This Brazil variant reinfects individuals who rely upon natural immunity, because natural immunity is far weaker than vaccine immunity.



I wouldn't be surprised by this fact... but... I haven't personally seen studies suggesting Delta's rate of reinfection. I've only heard of Gamma's ability to reinfect.

Do you have any citations on Delta's possible reinfection rates? (Delta is newer than Gamma, so there's still much to be learned about this new variant...)

Haven't seen or heard that about P1 (Gamma) so until I see some concrete evidence I'll stick to what I said.
However even with that as an example it's not the only instance of re-infection.

The data with Delta is somewhere inbetween what everyone is saying, some that's been vaccinated already caught it too, some haven't.

Too early to tell of course but we may well be seeing actual resistance to it being subject to the individual themselves, vaccinated or not.

 

[dragontamer5788]

It could be gamma I read about. But it's clear Covid can reinfect.

Delta's bad enough as it is. I'd be scared if it got any more "superpowers" than it already has!!

 

[dragontamer5788]

Haven't seen or heard that about P1 (Gamma) so until I see some concrete evidence I'll stick to what I said.

Resurgence of COVID-19 in Manaus, Brazil, despite high seroprevalence

After initially containing severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), many European and Asian countries had a resurgence of COVID-19 consistent with a large proportion of the population remaining susceptible to the virus after the first epidemic wave.1 By contrast, in Manaus...

www.thelancet.com

SARS-CoV-2 reinfection caused by the P.1 lineage in Araraquara city, Sao Paulo State, Brazil - PubMed

Reinfection by the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus type 2 (SARS-COV-2) has been reported in many countries, suggesting that the virus may continue to circulate among humans despite the possibility of local herd immunity due to massive previous infections. The emergence of variants...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

That's two different studies across two different cities, where despite 70% infection rates in these cities, P1 (aka Gamma) came around and reinfected everyone, leading to a hospital crisis. Its happened TWICE now, at least. It will happen again. The earlier "reinfection" was in Manaus, the 2nd case of this happening was Araraquara City.

In contrast, the vaccines have been shown to be effective against P.1. See here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.06.28.21259420v2

The data with Delta is somewhere inbetween what everyone is saying, some that's been vaccinated already caught it too, some haven't.

Citation? The CDC has only said that Delta has high viral load (aka: the virus is in your body and you're spreading the disease around). But vaccinated people infected with Delta do not get symptoms, get sick, go to the hospital, or die (roughly 98% of the time. The remaining 2%... well... no vaccine is perfect but 98% protection is pretty damn good). The vaccine only helps your immune system prepare, if you've got cancer and/or HIV (or other immunocompromised), you're not going to fare well, even with the vaccine.

Preventing the vast majority of healthy people (well... healthy by American standards. Our diabetic + obese population) from going to the hospital when we get COVID19 is a big help however. Cutting down on 90%+ of hospitalizations and 98% of deaths will help out in this upcoming surge.

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Case in point. We know where the virus is affecting us in the USA.

Screenshot of CDC's current COVID19 tracker map: https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

Look at all those locations getting infected. Also check out their vaccination rates. The areas with low vaccination rates are getting sick. Its that simple. Sure, my state is still getting some cases, but compared to other states? The map alone proves it. We know the vaccine works from this data alone.

Delta is over 90% of the cases here in the USA. So the map above directly demonstrates how effective the vaccinated regions are doing vs Delta, compared to the unvaccinated regions.

EDIT: I probably should also post the vaccination map, shouldn't I?

There ya go. Vaccinations prevent Delta. Period. The more vaccine you have (lower map), the less Delta you get (upper map).

 

[Xzibit]

Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19)

CDC provides credible COVID-19 health information to the U.S.

www.cdc.gov

Delta messes with the previous studies, however,



They can't give a specific number, i.e. (figure plucked from thin air) 85% vaccinations, as the remaining 15% accounts for 49 million people. That's a lot of potential spread. You need very high vaccination rates for herd immunity and an end to the problem. I think given the ongoing hesitance of certain groups, the US won't ever reach herd immunity. And Delta probably wont be the last variant considering the length of time the virus is being given to mutate. This was stated last year with reference to Brazil (due to the presidents stance).

Anyway. I feel for those in the US trying to deal with this rationally. Y'all come over and visit the sunny UK when you're all jabbed up.

They can pluck the numbers the same way they present their current data. They "disclaimers" them with "vaccine efficacy in clinical trial setting" & "estimates/projections using crude numbers". The question posed wasn't something unattainable

Its the withholding of data that feeds into part of Hesitancy. Like X number of people dead then leaving out most of those X number had comorbidities or those infected having underlying conditions.

In the eight hospitals run by Houston Methodist, there are about 300 covid-19 patients, triple the number in early June, Musser said. Most new cases involve the delta variant. He estimated that 20 percent of the covid patients were fully vaccinated before becoming infected.

But he cautioned that most of these patients have underlying medical conditions that impaired their ability to mount an immune response after being vaccinated.
These post-vaccination infections have often been described by Walensky and other medical experts as rare. How rare is unclear. News reports of people getting sick after vaccination have been common in recent weeks. But scientific data is limited.

They also start to look like things weren't so important

The CDC on May 1 said it would stop tracking mild and moderate breakthrough cases, and focus only on hospitalizations and deaths. As of July 19, the CDC had documented 5,914 such breakthroughs, including 1,141 deaths.

Like I posted before in this thread my state started reporting breakthrough cases weekly

July 22, 2021
21,083 post-vaccination cases

Even if one is bad at math they can see there is a big gap. 1 state has a breakthrough case of over x3 the CDC report for entire country

Maybe be helpful with a mild and moderate data set or ah "Eh" category

 

[dragontamer5788]

most of those X number had comorbidities

And you're leaving out that those comorbidities were largely obesity and diabetes, which are anything but uncommon in the USA.

Its turtles all the way down man. Whether you intend or not, there's always more and more information and multiple sides to every story. We can go on-and-on about the specifics, but that's largely a waste of time. I'm looking at the big-picture stuff right now.

And right now: vaccinated areas (see the vaccination map) are NOT getting infected by Delta. While the unvaccinated areas are. You can try to explain it away or logic it away, but that's just lipstick on a pig. We can see the data and its quite evident at this point. Occam's razor demands us to simplify arguments, not to make them overly complicated.

 

[Xzibit]

And you're leaving out that those comorbidities were largely obesity and diabetes, which are anything but uncommon in the USA.

Doesnt society already fat shame people and study show it has the opposite effect

 

[Bones]

-Snip-

The way you are saying it ignores the fact people that's already had it and beat it without the vaccine do have at least "Some" immunity, that's the point I was making originally.
Again, there have been reports that have said those with natural immunity, at least in some cases are better off and even have a longer lasting immunity from it.

Natural Immunity After COVID-19 Found Durable and Robust — Precision Vaccinations

COVID-19 survivors may possess wide-ranging resistance to the disease | Emory University | Atlanta, GA

Do You Need a Vaccine After Having COVID-19? Experts Aren’t Sure

To define it "As" vaccinated have immunity and those that beat it naturally don't have any is just a falsehood.
That's drawing a hard line about it and implying you MUST have the shot to have any immunity or if you don't take it, you don't.

And by your own words no less, no vaccine is perfect and with the expected mutations we'll see there is no "One for all" vaccine to be had anyway.
I've already come to terms with it, this virus isn't going away and it will be here period.

Now - To be fair there are some reports that contradict what's in the links I posted, there is still too many variables we don't know about to nail it down and that includes the "Thing" I'm getting at here.

I just want it stated factually from ALL angles, not just drawing a hard line as it's one or the other period, because there is more to it than this.
My original point about it stands as stated.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Doesnt society already fat shame people and study show it has the opposite effect

Its not about fat-shaming. Its about the level of bullshit that people are hiding behind the "Comorbidities" argument. People hide behind the word without really understanding what it means.

Yeah, if you die of COVID19 and you're obese, the doctor will write obesity as a comorbidity (because we all know that obese people die at far higher rates to COVID19 than healthy weight adults). That's what a comorbidity is: a thing the doctor writes into the death certificate that "contributed" to the death. If you're diabetic, your doctor will write diabetes into the death certificate when you die of COVID19. That's just how it works.

Its like people say a fancy medical term as if it makes them smarter. No. Comorbidity is just the extra lines under your cause of death, including anything that may have directly, or indirectly contributed to death. Yes, you're right that most death certificates have a comorbidity, but really think about what that really means. Its more of a reflection upon the health of our general population more so than imaginary conspiracy theories at play here.

In any case, obese people don't normally die at these large numbers that we're seeing. The primary cause of death is clearly COVID19. To argue otherwise is to misrepresent these death certificates. They didn't die because they were obese. They died of COVID19 (with a comorbidity, a contributing factor, was obesity).

Comorbidity and its Impact on Patients with COVID-19 - PMC

A novel human coronavirus, severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2), was identified in Wuhan, China, in December 2019. Since then, the virus has made its way across the globe to affect over 180 countries. SARS-CoV-2 has infected ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The most common comorbidities found were obesity, hypertension, and diabetes mellitus

Which also happen to be the most common chronic illnesses in the USA. So these comorbidities shouldn't be a surprise to anyone who knows what they're talking about.

 

[the54thvoid]

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Convalescent plasma studies don't reduce Covid mortality. Basically, infused plasma from infected and recovered individuals did not reduce the incidence of death.

Yeah, while contracting and surviving Covid will give you a boost at not getting it again, the vaccines will give a better chance of not getting it at all. There's a wildcard in that statement. To get the virus and pull through will give you a better chance next time of not dying. Can't folks see the logic at play there. Get a possibly fatal virus to make sure the next time you'll be stronger. I'll say it again, and this is working on the actua source material (I read it) - the more severe your case is, as long as you don't die, you'll have greater antibodies next time.

I'm just happy I chose to get vaccinated and miss out the middle part.

It's all down to personal choice. Do what you want.

 

[Xzibit]

Its not about fat-shaming. Its about the level of bullshit that people are hiding behind the "Comorbidities" argument. People hide behind the word without really understanding what it means.

Yeah, if you die of COVID19 and you're obese, the doctor will write obesity as a comorbidity (because we all know that obese people die at far higher rates to COVID19 than healthy weight adults). That's what a comorbidity is: a thing the doctor writes into the death certificate that "contributed" to the death. If you're diabetic, your doctor will write diabetes into the death certificate when you die of COVID19. That's just how it works.

Its like people say a fancy medical term as if it makes them smarter. No. Comorbidity is just the extra lines under your cause of death, including anything that may have directly, or indirectly contributed to death. Yes, you're right that most death certificates have a comorbidity, but really think about what that really means. Its more of a reflection upon the health of our general population more so than imaginary conspiracy theories at play here.

In any case, obese people don't normally die at these large numbers that we're seeing. The primary cause of death is clearly COVID19. To argue otherwise is to misrepresent these death certificates. They didn't die because they were obese. They died of COVID19 (with a comorbidity, a contributing factor, was obesity).

Maybe I should have expanded.

Their hasn't been a concentrated effort as in mandates due to obesity which leads to many more deaths including those of Covid. We haven't gotten to the point we can't work or be subject to weight checks and such. We all know its bad and contributes to over all health but we as a society have for the most part accepted it.

The risk of severe COVID-19 illness increases sharply with elevated BMI.

 

[dragontamer5788]

Maybe I should have expanded.

Their hasn't been a concentrated effort as in mandates due to obesity which leads to many more deaths including those of Covid. We haven't gotten to the point we can't work or be subject to weight checks and such. We all know its bad and contributes to over all health but we as a society have for the most part accepted it.

Yeah. Because obesity doesn't spread through the population like wildfire. One of my coworkers is morbidly obese. He's not going to spread obesity to me by breathing on me. He's not going to spread obesity to people on the train by breathing the same air as the rest of the passengers.

Meanwhile, one asymptomatic person in a Choir spreads COVID19 to their entire choir group, 100+ infections in a single day.