Memory Mhz importance.

[Bill_Bright]

No need for name calling here Bill.

You say quantity is most important.

Wow! You can't help yourself, huh? You are still twisting facts and context. Where did I call you or anyone a name? I didn't.

And I said repeatedly, "for most users more RAM is more important and offers greater performance gains than faster RAM. Are there exceptions? Of course!"

So yes, since you have repeatedly demonstrated this propensity to inaccurately paraphrase others, that is being dishonest and is pathetic - not to mention really sad. I kinda pity you.

I've included multiple links to multiple sources to explain this to you because I don't expect you or anyone else to just take my word for it just because I say so. So it is not just me saying this. You might want to go argue with those sources.

Now this time, I am leaving the house so I really am done here. Have a good day.

 

[iameatingjam]

I think @Bill_Bright is right here, for a very tech illiterate audience. I think the problem is, its not quite totally tech illiterate people here. Most people here have enough ram already, and therefore focus more on speeds. Especially with ddr5 making it complicated with more ram often meaning slower ram. If you're just gaming, and you already have 32Gb of ram, an increase in speed is going to help more than capacity (when it comes to fps at least, capacity might help with the overall smoothness of the pc, depending on what else you're doing). I mean its not as important as your GPU obviously, but important enough to make a difference in up to like 5% fps or so if you're cpu capped. Anyway this is the situation a lot of people here are in right now.

But if we take a step back, absolutely if you are on 8GB of ram, you are going to be having way more problems than its frequency. Which is why for my laptop I don't even look at the speed I just buy the biggest module. But for my desktop, I do look at speed. Because its just a totally different world between the two machines. One is my hobby, basically. The other, a web browser.

I guess I'm saying... you're both right! Group hug?

 

[freeagent]

Capacity and speed as well as rank are important

It all depends what the PC is being used for

 

[Dr. Dro]

The biggest importance for games is dominantly the GPU. You can bottleneck the hell out a RTX4090 in like a old LGA775 DDR2 system and it'll still beat a lot of other GPU's that are weaker even on slightly better CPU's. It's not ideal, but you can still push a ton of FPS simply due to the GPU hardware and importance of it. In fact newer GPU hardware like that example case include more VRAM than you could even populate with system memory on top of it being faster performing once it's in VRAM though transferring it into VRAM takes some loading or buffering period not too terrible though on SSD's.

That is extremely situational and in most cases, doesn't hold true - I did this insanity before with the E8600 and a R9 Fury X, it was barely enough to get Tetris Effect playable at 4K/60. It's very easy to actually forgo how weak those processors are nowadays, even these niche processors like the aforementioned E8600, that went all-in on cache and clock speed. Those cost more than most Core 2 Quads at the time, and their stock 3.33 GHz with 6 MB L2 placed them way ahead of the other Core 2 models for ST, latencies and efficiency overall.

Some games like GTA V require more memory bandwidth than any tier of Core 2 system can provide, even when equipped with upper range DDR2-1200 or DDR3-1333 memory, and will have all sorts of texture streaming and world loading issues to the point I would not even consider the game playable on them. That's a problem far before either storage or PCIe bandwidth (especially considered these are Gen 1 PCIe systems) becomes a problem.

Right now, we have Haswell approaching its 11th year of service, Xeon v3 CPUs cost peanuts, even the once mighty 18-core 2699 v3 costs $35 from China these days, those have held up much, much better than the Sandy Bridge or Nehalem series of CPUs in the very long run. I would consider the i7-4770K a "minimum baseline" processor nowadays for any sort of usage, an honor that I'm also willing to extend to the AMD FX-9590 if you're brave enough to run one of those. Inferior models on these platforms... need not apply. They aren't good enough.

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Wow! You can't help yourself, huh? You are still twisting facts and context. Where did I call you or anyone a name? I didn't.

And I said repeatedly, "for most users more RAM is more important and offers greater performance gains than faster RAM. Are there exceptions? Of course!"

So yes, since you have repeatedly demonstrated this propensity to inaccurately paraphrase others, that is being dishonest and is pathetic - not to mention really sad. I kinda pity you.

I've included multiple links to multiple sources to explain this to you because I don't expect you or anyone else to just take my word for it just because I say so. So it is not just me saying this. You might want to go argue with those sources.

Now this time, I am leaving the house so I really am done here. Have a good day.

I repeated exactly what you are saying, said, implying or other period. End of story.

You say quantity

I say speed is important for sure 100% OVER quantity being most sold kits are plenty for average desktop users setting aside niche market.

Speed over quantity.

A gamer with a desktop system uses XMP profile memory.

Most sought after answer to the question...

""WHAT SPEED MEMORY?? I need or want something 6400mhz XMP.

Nobody Fkn asks.

Should I get 256gb of memory to play CS2?

It's always about the speed. Lol.

Let's propose 256gb at Jedec speeds now. Is this what you are implying? It's so important to have gobs of memory to sacrifice performance for?

Other than that, there's no argument for more RAM. 32gb is plenty. It's common. Well priced.

"What speed should I get".

Capacity and speed as well as rank are important

It all depends what the PC is being used for

It would obviously be a desktop gaming PC because that's the type of tech forum this is.

We are not talking about servers. I would think this to be obvious.

Or guys like you, I, them, and they would never tick XMP enabled.

""I don't need XMP, cause 128gb pow!!""

Hahaaaa.

 

[freeagent]

Honestly.. I do not use XMP/DOCP.

I find the timings to be to lax.

I will use my 3200C14 profile for excursions to 2000 1:1 though.

Mostly because I am lazy

But.. even on Intel I was rolling with a 2R setup, no problems with higher speeds.. and the performance was just a bit better

 

[ShrimpBrime]

Honestly.. I do not use XMP/DOCP.

I find the timings to be to lax.

I will use my 3200C14 profile for excursions to 2000 1:1 though.

Mostly because I am lazy

But.. even on Intel I was rolling with a 2R setup, no problems with higher speeds.. and the performance was just a bit better

You and I are beyond an average user just setting XMP though. I am taking this into consideration.

Through the years, on certain platforms, what we call mainstream, quantity was kind of standardized for gaming systems.

Ddr1 1gb 200mhz
Ddr2 4gb 400mhz
Ddr3 8gb 800mhz
Ddr4 16gb 1600mhz
Ddr5 32gb 3200mhz
(Effective freq.)

And everyone games FINE on these average standard gaming systems.

Technicality for performance beyond XMP need not apply here.

 

[freeagent]

I was, and totally am fine with those numbers that you just listed. Well.. DDR5 I cant speak for..

Like an old Bentley, the performance is "adequate"

 

[ShrimpBrime]

I was, and totally am fine with those numbers that you just listed. Well.. DDR5 I cant speak for..

Like an old Bentley, the performance is "adequate"

I hope so. I mean unless I needed 32gb of DDR1, I'd be hard pressed to find a board to support it XD.

 

[harm9963]

My RAM 32GB , X4 8GB, default is 2666, in have a choice of 4000cl6 or 3600c14 in BIOS, day to day use , don't feel a difference , only when bench testing or gaming maybe , at 4K ,my 4090 is doing the work , and using ASUS water preset in BIOS, which uses DOCS , is when the magic happens on my system ,L3 cache is what level up my system overall.

Higher temps ,more stress for 200 points