Microsoft Edge 75 (Chromium-based) First Impressions

[trparky]

Well if you have a Android phone i am afraid you are in their pocket

I have an iPhone.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

I have an iPhone.

Then you're in apples pocket all the same lol

I use chrome on my phone cause ff freezes to often even after it's been updated but use ff on my pc

 

[Athlonite]

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a Chromium based browser

 

[rtwjunkie]

I use FF on PC’s, and its my favorite browser ever. I use Edge on my iphone tho, kind of a personal F U to Apple, lol. It works good on the phone.

 

[Bill_Bright]

A monopoly

Not hardly - though they are trying to get that way.

Then you're in apples pocket all the same lol

And that's why Google is not a monopoly.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then it's a Chromium based browser

So? There are over a 100 different kinds of ducks.

 

[lexluthermiester]

My 2 cents, nothing has changed. It's still a Microsoft made browser. Unless they make all parts of it's source open for inspection, it can't be trusted. Microsoft has earned this distrust.

 

[GoldenX]

Google has the final say on the Chromium project, like recently with censuring adblockers.
Browsers shouldn't lazily use Chromium directly, they should fork it and remove Google's data collection, like ungoogled-chromium does.

 

[Bill_Bright]

My 2 cents, nothing has changed. It's still a Microsoft made browser. Unless they make all parts of it's source open for inspection, it can't be trusted. Microsoft has earned this distrust.

LOL Like any browser can be trusted? Come on! We need to be realistic here. Microsoft is fully aware they are going to be bashed for any and everything - even if clearly not their fault. When it comes to trust, I would trust Microsoft any day over Google. That's not to say I have blind trust in Microsoft, I don't. But I also know our ISPs are a much greater threat than MS ever will be since our ISPs know everything we do on the Internet, plus our physical location, real name, billing information, phone number, and more.

So it all needs to be put into perspective and not just become another opportunistic bash of Microsoft.

 

[GoldenX]

Unless you are using linux right now, none of us can non hypocritically bash m$

I am.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Unless you are using linux right now, none of us can non hypocritically bash m$

It's not about that. This thread is about the first impressions using Edge. It is not about trusting Microsoft or taking this opportunity to bash Microsoft or Chromium/Google.

If you are not using, or have not used the official release of the new Chromium based Edge, you shouldn't be criticizing it at all!

 

[lexluthermiester]

So it all needs to be put into perspective and not just become another opportunistic bash of Microsoft.

While those are good points, I trust Mozilla more than MS all day long. That was kinda my point.

 

[Deleted member 24505]

I'm out of this thread

 

[bonehead123]

Typing this on edge right now, and yea it is fast, but until it comes out of the box with complete contextual menus and translation services, I won't be using it on any sort of regular basis......

 

[MrGenius]

Just trying it out right now. I don't know what the point is...yet. It's pretty much Chrome with an Edge name tag. Almost identical to Chrome so far as I can tell(haven't found a single difference yet...aside from the name). Doesn't seem any faster than the old Edge to me at all. And it's got all the aspects I can't stand about Chrome(stupid slow ass mouse wheel scrolling, things I use frequently buried where I can't find them easily, etc.). Needless to say...I'm not liking it very much.

 

[Athlonite]

So? There are over a 100 different kinds of ducks.

Still a duck though

 

[Rahnak]

Chromium is an open-source browser project. It is not Chrome in a similar way Pale Moon is not Firefox, and how LibreOffice is not OpenOffice.

It should also be noted that many Microsoft products were originally conceived and developed by another company first and then Microsoft scarfed them up and developed it into what it eventually became - and not to stifle competition, but because they recognized the potential of the product. I see nothing wrong with that.

Yup, exactly this. Here's hoping Microsoft can deliver a great product like they did with VS Code, which is also based on another open source project.

 

[Caring1]

So? There are over a 100 different kinds of ducks.

I just want a fast duck that doesn't spy on me

 

[AsRock]

And Pale Moon (my default) is a forked Firefox. Just because a browser has roots in another, that does not mean they are essentially the same. The fact is, in most cases, it is taking something good and making it better. That is what MS is doing with Edge.

Claiming you won't even try it is letting your prejudices and biases cloud your judgement, and rule your life. Sorry, but it is like a kid refusing to even try "toads in a hole" because it "sounds" yucky. Oh well, more for me!

Chromium is an open-source browser project. It is not Chrome in a similar way Pale Moon is not Firefox, and how LibreOffice is not OpenOffice.

It should also be noted that many Microsoft products were originally conceived and developed by another company first and then Microsoft scarfed them up and developed it into what it eventually became - and not to stifle competition, but because they recognized the potential of the product. I see nothing wrong with that.

Surely, the MS execs blew it - again - by pushing out what clearly was a half-baked, unfinished, not-ready-for-prime-time Edge with W10. That was not the choice of the developers! But the execs wanted something to replace IE. IMO, they should have left out Edge until it was ready. But I don't run Microsoft.

IE was actually my preferred browser but it seems clear to me Microsoft scaled back maintenance as it became less and less stable and reliable after W10/Edge came out - I assume in MS's misguided attempt to push users towards Edge. But since Edge clearly was not ready, I switched to Pale Moon as my primary and, IMO, it is the best browser out there - but it too is not perfect. I have tried them all and have yet to find the perfect browser.

I am NOT saying Edge will become my default browser. But I sure will give it an unbiased try.

Sorry, to me trust is earned and Advertising company's ( Google ) is not to be trusted and now you have MS with all the privacy BS going on with Windows 10 and you think their even remotely trust worthy. Yeah i will skip.

WOW,

Each to their own, but please don't tell me i should trust any thing Google as they have given me 0 reason to do so.

 

[Aquinus]

There is a fresh bit of irony with people using Windows 10 complaining about privacy in Chrome. The real problem is that most data collection from the browser isn't nearly as detailed as the information collected by websites. I suspect you're giving up more information just by using the internet, regardless of the browser being used, such as Firefox, Chrome, Safari, or Edge.

 

[Bill_Bright]

Each to their own, but please don't tell me i should trust any thing Google as they have given me 0 reason to do so.

I never said that. In fact, I trust Google much less than I do Microsoft and that is many magnitudes less than I trust my ISP or cell carriers for they already know my real name, home address, billing information and more. Google wants that information and Microsoft is trying to keep bad guys from getting it!

Contrary to what many seem or just want to believe, gathering private information for revenue is NOT high on Microsoft's list of priorities. Neither is posting ads while those activities are at the very top for Google. Microsoft makes their money selling software like Office and services like Office 360, Xbox and Xbox services, cloud based services (this is a biggie), and enterprise and business solutions and services. Seriously, they don't care about your personal data. See for yourself. How does Microsoft make money. Protecting your privacy is better for their bottom line than exploiting your private information (and the bad press that would come with that) ever could be.

I found the Bleeping Computer article, Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-base Browser, very interesting for one specific point (my bold underline added),

While it will be powered by the rendering engine which is currently used in other Chromium browsers and presumably support existing Chrome extensions, it will not include any Google services.

I trust Mozilla more than MS all day long.

While Mozilla, as a company, may be more trustworthy, the FF browser has a long history of having the most vulnerabilities. That's why I use Pale Moon instead of FF. If you like FF, but are concerned about security, switch to PM.

Let's face it. The only reason FF became so popular was due to all the bad publicity (most of which was false and obvious MS bashing) about IE and Microsoft.

 

[GoldenX]

I never said that. In fact, I trust Google much less than I do Microsoft and that is many magnitudes less than I trust my ISP or cell carriers for they already know my real name, home address, billing information and more. Google wants that information and Microsoft is trying to keep bad guys from getting it!

Contrary to what many seem or just want to believe, gathering private information for revenue is NOT high on Microsoft's list of priorities. Neither is posting ads while those activities are at the very top for Google. Microsoft makes their money selling software like Office and services like Office 360, Xbox and Xbox services, cloud based services (this is a biggie), and enterprise and business solutions and services. Seriously, they don't care about your personal data. See for yourself. How does Microsoft make money. Protecting your privacy is better for their bottom line than exploiting your private information (and the bad press that would come with that) ever could be.

I found the Bleeping Computer article, Microsoft Replacing Edge With New Chromium-base Browser, very interesting for one specific point (my bold underline added),

While Mozilla, as a company, may be more trustworthy, the FF browser has a long history of having the most vulnerabilities. That's why I use Pale Moon instead of FF. If you like FF, but are concerned about security, switch to PM.

Let's face it. The only reason FF became so popular was due to all the bad publicity (most of which was false and obvious MS bashing) about IE and Microsoft.

There never was false bad publicity about internet explorer, it was always bad. Bad standards integration, lock ups, active X vulnerabilities... Internet explorer was just bad.
Edge was fine, I would prefer for it to keep it's engine, but oh well, they are lazy at Microsoft.

 

[Bill_Bright]

There never was false bad publicity about internet explorer, it was always bad.

ROTFL

Yeah right! Then answer this. Did you "stop" getting infected just by switching to another browser? Your answer is likely one of two. (1) I didn't get infected before or (2) I also installed a firewall, swapped or added a A/V, stopped clicking on every link, cleaned out the clutter, installed a router and more - same things needed regardless the browser.

IE was a great browser for many many years. But in recent years, it could not keep up with the times and newer threats. Microsoft's mistake was trying to keep patching it. They should have retired it when W8 came out.

they are lazy at Microsoft.

Yeah right.

For anyone not pre-set in their anti-Edge, MS bashing ways, Microsoft has made available the official pre-release version through here. It is recommended any unofficial versions be uninstalled first.

 

[trparky]

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/

And now it's officially been posted for people to download and test. As for the YouTube full screen video playback issue I mentioned before, turning off hardware acceleration "fixes" this issue. I've already reported the issue to Microsoft.

 

[Sasqui]

https://www.microsoftedgeinsider.com/en-us/

And now it's officially been posted for people to download and test. As for the YouTube full screen video playback issue I mentioned before, turning off hardware acceleration "fixes" this issue. I've already reported the issue to Microsoft.

Googled Microsoft Edge 75.0.111.0 and was wondering if there was a release straight from MS, didn't find anything. Conspiracy? lol

 

[Rahnak]

@Bill_Bright To be fair, the rendering engine in IE wasn't good. Always behind the curve on web standards. You probably won't find a single web developer that has fond memories of it.