Microsoft Entering Agreements with Laptop Makers to Block Linux

[Batou1986]

Might be appropriate to update this since it has nothing to do with MS and everything with Lenovo using shitty proprietary controllers

 

[bogami]

I can not believe that Microsoft may, acting so monopolistic and that the producers of PC and Laptops this even concern to committed them . Microsoft must therefore something to offer, or are so lazy that they can not be manufactured multi-OS platform Hardware. This commercial lock is very felt in Windows 10 where we would be further sold every application. It makes me sick when I hear it such news .PC is a free spirit tool and this is the repression of freedoms .

 

[Easo]

I can not believe that Microsoft may, acting so monopolistic and that the producers of PC and Laptops this even concern to committed them . Microsoft must therefore something to offer, or are so lazy that they can not be manufactured multi-OS platform Hardware. This commercial lock is very felt in Windows 10 where we would be further sold every application. It makes me sick when I hear it such news .PC is a free spirit tool and this is the repression of freedoms .

Reread the thead, please.

 

[eidairaman1]

I see anti trust suites for MS

 

[Totally]

In fairness it was Google who started this **** when they began blocking Chromebooks from installing Windows. Microsoft are just returning fire.

Exactly my thoughts too. The "only when Microsoft is involved" certain things are a crime mentality puzzles me.

 

[OneMoar]

so lenvo using a proprietary raid NVME config is Microsoft fault
are you people really so ill-informed as to believe that
again ill repeat my self because you people seem to lack some basic understanding of how computers work

IF Microsoft wanted to block linux installs all they would need todo is tell lenvo to revoke the public GRUB UEFI keys AND The key self-install option which is a whole hell of a lot harder to get around then simply not supporting ACHI mode on there NVME controller

again anybody that remotely understand the subject here will tell you that disabling ACHI is in no plausible way related to blocking linux its just a stupid decision made by lenvos historically inept firmware team
it would be horribly ineffective because the needed driver exists its just not in the mainline kernel you can build the needed kernel with the raid blob and it will work

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

so lenvo using a proprietary raid NVME config is Microsoft fault
are you people really so ill-informed as to believe that
again ill repeat my self because you people seem to lack some basic understanding of how computers work

IF Microsoft wanted to block linux installs all they would need todo is tell lenvo to revoke the public GRUB UEFI keys AND The key self-install option which is a whole hell of a lot harder to get around then simply not supporting ACHI mode on there NVME controller

again anybody that remotely understand the subject here will tell you that disabling ACHI is in no plausible way related to blocking linux its just a stupid decision made by lenvos historically inept firmware team
it would be horribly ineffective because the needed driver exists its just not in the mainline kernel you can build the needed kernel with the raid blob and it will work

Regardless of either your version or the Op being right this would be fine by me if it was well advertised at point of sale but as is ,someones ass needs kicking ,and while your version of events may well be right it does look suspicious as feck due to it being a signature edition wtf sic and hard to replace.

 

[Dave65]

any idiot that buys Lenovo deserves have their identity sold and abused. Ya'd think Lenovo wouldnt pull BS like this since the Superfish scandal.

the DOJ should be investing Lenovo for shady practices. But, I'd also be happy if they get sue'd for this.

#boycottLenovo

THIS:
Any moron who buys their shit deserves it!

 

[OneMoar]

Regardless of either your version or the Op being right this would be fine by me if it was well advertised at point of sale but as is ,someones ass needs kicking ,and while your version of events may well be right it does look suspicious as feck due to it being a signature edition wtf sic and hard to replace.

its not just lenvos affected by this any device that uses that controller in RAID mode won't work
you are looking for shadows where there are none
half the people here are reading misleading thread tittle and not doing there own research
but hey lets not let logic and common sense spoil the evil corporation-hate-train I mean I would't want you all to look stupid next week when lenvo releases a new bios to enable ACHI
/s

 

[TheoneandonlyMrK]

its not just lenvos affected by this any device that uses that controller in RAID mode won't work
you are looking for shadows where there are none
half the people here are reading misleading thread tittle and not doing there own research

I'm not that bothered tbh it won't affect me but , like I said it should be noted clearly at the point of sale since messing around with shit can be an Integral part of pc owning and this would piss me off.
If I bought a Chromebook I would not be upset when I struggled putting win 10 on it ,no one would ,but this is slightly different.

 

[alucasa]

Kinda makes me wonder why those who loathe MS so much use Windows. It's not like they don't have choices in OS.

 

[ssdpro]

Kinda makes me wonder why those who loathe MS so much use Windows. It's not like they don't have choices in OS.

Self-loathing. Every OS has its positives and negatives. Mac OS hinders productivity so badly it is relegated to internet browsing and graphic design-type jobs. Windows 10 is productivity perfected but has become a nanny OS. Linux (I'll speak for Ubuntu and Fedora) is always just a bit behind. It is slow to support new hardware properly, slow to get widespread software usability. Those Linux guys just hate seeing a Windows user using the newest hardware and accomplishing what they do more quickly. I tried Ubuntu years ago, couldn't adapt (we'll just say that is my fault for the sake of argument). I tried Fedora as recently last spring - I spent all of my time reading forums and fixing problems and not getting work done.

 

[cyneater]

Self-loathing. Every OS has its positives and negatives. Mac OS hinders productivity so badly it is relegated to internet browsing and graphic design-type jobs. Windows 10 is productivity perfected but has become a nanny OS. Linux (I'll speak for Ubuntu and Fedora) is always just a bit behind. It is slow to support new hardware properly, slow to get widespread software usability. Those Linux guys just hate seeing a Windows user using the newest hardware and accomplishing what they do more quickly. I tried Ubuntu years ago, couldn't adapt (we'll just say that is my fault for the sake of argument). I tried Fedora as recently last spring - I spent all of my time reading forums and fixing problems and not getting work done.

You lost me at:

Ubuntu ( Where to start.. pretty much they are on the same drugs as the Microsoft developers each release is more and more broken ) good idea just crap execution. Although it probably has some of the best free support. But its so broken it self. Something works on release then is borked the next 3 or so.

Slow to support new hardware
And accomplishing what they want to do more quickly.

Had 64bit linux doing bigger quake 3 maps years before it was possible on a windows platform.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

its not just lenvos affected by this any device that uses that controller in RAID mode won't work
you are looking for shadows where there are none
half the people here are reading misleading thread tittle and not doing there own research
but hey lets not let logic and common sense spoil the evil corporation-hate-train I mean I would't want you all to look stupid next week when lenvo releases a new bios to enable ACHI
/s

if they did, they did do a BIOS update due to consumer pressure and not something they would fix in normal business practices.

When I posted, the whole story was not available, but I still wouldnt buy Lenovo.

 

[Basard]

Dumbest move ever....

 

[GAR]

I used to recommend Lenovo to my customers, I wont be anymore, do your research before buying a laptop from now on.

 

[syrup]

I picked up a Lenovo Yoga a few months ago only because I got an extremely good price for the hardware - enough to temp me to overlook the past spyware controversy.

And I was suitably punished for it, by Lenovo's screwed up functionality for those who want normal F1-F12 keys. By default, the keys are mapped to the volume, brightness, etc. hotkeys, and you have to hold down Fn to access F1-F12 (so, for example, a Ctrl-F4 requires Ctrl-Fn-F4). However, there's a BIOS setting that sets it back to normal - phew! But wait - that setting then swaps the Esc key to a hotkey, requiring the Fn modifier to use Esc. Argh! Managed to get a functional workaround after hours of searching, cursing and tearing hair out, meanwhile Lenovo's ignored the complains and hasn't come out with a proper fix.

The mention of the name "Lenovo" to this former ThinkPad-diehard now threatens to unleash a barely-supressed rage. Talk about further nails in that coffin with stories like this.

 

[Blueberries]

Windows / OS X / Sierra are much better productivity operating systems anyhow, especially when you consider driver compatibility.

Linux has its use, routers, modems, cable boxes, other small devices, but there's no reason (that I can see) to use Linux on a PC over OS X / Sierra for example.

 

[syrup]

Windows / OS X / Sierra are much better productivity operating systems anyhow, especially when you consider driver compatibility.

Windows is indeed like living in a very nice, comfortable house with all the latest conveniences, but with a control-freak spouse who's been getting worse over time.

 

[Frick]

Windows / OS X / Sierra are much better productivity operating systems anyhow, especially when you consider driver compatibility.

Linux has its use, routers, modems, cable boxes, other small devices, but there's no reason (that I can see) to use Linux on a PC over OS X / Sierra for example.

This entirely depends on how you define "productivity".

 

[Jetster]

Didn't read the whole thread but just read this

Microsoft accidently releases the key to its secure boot in new versions of Windows allowing installation of other OSs

https://rol.im/securegoldenkeyboot/

http://arstechnica.com/security/2016/08/microsoft-secure-boot-firmware-snafu-leaks-golden-key/

 

[TRWOV]

so a support ticket was raised with Lenovo to guide them to install Linux. Lenovo responded that the notebook features Windows 10 Signature Edition, and that "it has been locked as per Lenovo's agreement with Microsoft."

Why hasn't this bit been edited? The response was to a user review on Best Buy's site, not to a support ticket.

 

[ManofGod]

Why hasn't this bit been edited? The response was to a user review on Best Buy's site, not to a support ticket.

Then it would not have had 4 pages and 96 posts prior to mine, that is why.

 

[cyneater]

Windows / OS X / Sierra are much better productivity operating systems anyhow, especially when you consider driver compatibility.

Linux has its use, routers, modems, cable boxes, other small devices, but there's no reason (that I can see) to use Linux on a PC over OS X / Sierra for example.

Lunix is free.

Where as there is the insane apple tax and the microsoft tax...

 

[ManofGod]

Lunix is free.

Where as there is the insane apple tax and the microsoft tax...

Yeah! After all, why the hell should people be able to put food on the table and be paid for the work! The nerve of some people! /s