Microsoft Introduces Copilot for Gaming

[AVATARAT]

Microsoft ...

The Linux fan who tries to defend MS Copilot and Defender without any understanding of what Windows is, but just installed it on a few computers - I'm genuinely amazed by this strange concern.

 

[Epaminombas]

The Linux fan who tries to defend MS Copilot and Defender without any understanding of what Windows is, but just installed it on a few computers - I'm genuinely amazed by this strange concern.

And do you know what really happens in the business world?

Windows still dominates the Active Direct segment.

Microsoft's Defender is in the TOP 3 of the most used and most secure antivirus for Windows and Linux servers.

Those who are a little above are SentinelOne and CrowdStrike.

Meanwhile, ignorant users disable Defender.

Serious companies use Defender in Linux environments, and it is even possible to use it for MacOS and companies use it.

Should IT managers of these companies that earn more than $30k per month listen to mere users who disable Defender?

 

[Random_User]

To be honest, this all AI/Copilot game "guide" is a just another shell to put the cheating en masse. I mean, the point of game is being lost. The challenge, the puzzle/difficulty solving is missing. There are two ways to go through the game- to search the solution/answer oneself in the game itself, or go and search elsewhere. Both ways require involvement, and time investment. Not even mentioning, that even by reading/watching walkthrough, one get a lot of indirect experience, and solutions for bigger portion of the game.

The AI/Copilot stuff, make no sense for gaming experience. Surely, it saves precious time, for people busy with so many things in their lives. But it feeds with a ready answer, which BTW, might not be a correct one. This is still kinda cheating.

Spoiler: On the other, more serious hand, though...

I dunno, how severe it is, and how much this is credible, but still worth of considering. This might be the beginning/floodgate for even bigger for cheating in games, which before could prevent some of people on kernel/SW/HW level. Now all the anti-cheats might become completely pointless.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft doesn't need to sell a lot of Xboxes to keep making Xboxes.

That sentence made exactly zero sense. Um... Ok.

Developers don't need to focus on one platform because game development is universal.

No it isn't. Not even close.

The Linux fan who tries to defend MS Copilot and Defender without any understanding of what Windows is, but just installed it on a few computers - I'm genuinely amazed by this strange concern.

Right?

Meanwhile, ignorant users disable Defender.

Irony..

Microsoft's Defender is in the TOP 3 of the most used and most secure antivirus for Windows and Linux servers.

Citation. Let's see your sources.

 

[AVATARAT]

And do you know what really happens in the business world?

Windows still dominates the Active Direct segment.

Microsoft's Defender is in the TOP 3 of the most used and most secure antivirus for Windows and Linux servers.

Those who are a little above are SentinelOne and CrowdStrike.

Meanwhile, ignorant users disable Defender.

Serious companies use Defender in Linux environments, and it is even possible to use it for MacOS and companies use it.

Should IT managers of these companies that earn more than $30k per month listen to mere users who disable Defender?

Microsoft Defender is generally far from good for desktops, but Microsoft Defender for Business is probably about what you're talking about - and they're a bit different
Is there an Active Directory for Linux?

 

[lexluthermiester]

Microsoft Defender is generally far from good for desktops

This. There are much better offerings, including an open source free offering.

 

[Epaminombas]

https://www.gartner.com/reviews/market/endpoint-protection-platforms

Xbox uses Windows
Xbox uses DirectX
xCloud uses Windows and DirectX.

But you're telling me that game development is not universal across the entire Xbox platform, Windows, and DirectX.

And what are you basing your claim that there is no cross-development between Xbox and Windows on?

Have you ever spoken to any developer involved in this? Apparently never in my life.

I've spoken directly and personally with the Dev of Forza Horizon 5 and Diablo 4. He explained to me how easy it is to create a game on Xbox and port it almost instantly to Windows, or create it on Windows and port it to Xbox because they have the same architecture, API, and operating system.
There is no additional cost in making a game for Xbox and Windows or for xCloud because they all run within the same API and system.

Microsoft Defender is generally far from good for desktops, but Microsoft Defender for Business is probably about what you're talking about - and they're a bit different
Is there an Active Directory for Linux?

Other antivirus programs buy a lot of advertising to be mentioned in articles and on websites.
Microsoft doesn't advertise Defender, but other AVs have to do so to get people to install them.

If you are using RedHat Server with Red Hat Enterprise Linux PCs you get a similar experience to Windows Server AD.

The same thing happens if you use Ubuntu Server with Ubuntu Pro on client PCs.

 

[AGlezB]

Microsoft Defender is generally far from good for desktops, but Microsoft Defender for Business is probably about what you're talking about - and they're a bit different

The one good thing I can say about Defender is that it comes preinstalled with Windows Home and is the one bundled feature I'd keep for the simple reason that bad protection is way better than no protection at all for the the users that can't pick an AV to save their lives. Defender for the enterprise is the same piece of crap as the one on desktop because it uses the same piece of crap detection engine. What you get instead is centralized management, better analytics and direct access to MS engineering support and that's pretty much it. On the other hand, Defender refuses to stop running even if you install a 3rd party AV and that caused so many issues that since Windows Server 2016 you can completely uninstall it with PowerShell, but that's limited to Server editions and you can't do it on Desktop as far as I know.

BTW, the enterprise portal for Defender looks like this:

I count one Copilot and 3 AI in just that little piece of screen.

EDIT: Ooops, sorry. 4 AI.

 

[AVATARAT]

Other antivirus programs buy a lot of advertising to be mentioned in articles and on websites.
Microsoft doesn't advertise Defender, but other AVs have to do so to get people to install them.

What you have is a bad perception of Defender because you've never used it in your lives. Because most people here use Defender disabled and WUpdate disabled, so you think it doesn't work. Obviously, something you disabled won't work, right? How stupid of you.

If you are using RedHat Server with Red Hat Enterprise Linux PCs you get a similar experience to Windows Server AD.

The same thing happens if you use Ubuntu Server with Ubuntu Pro on client PCs.


So many anti-Windows and anti-Defender activists here, it almost seems like they are characters paid to be haters of everything that comes from Microsoft?
How much do you earn?

Sorry for you, but I have enough experience and can tell you that Desktop defender is complete crap if you don't have a paid antivirus program, in most cases you will catch a virus if you are an end user.

Just an example: LDAP vs. Active Directory: What's the Difference?

I really understand that you want to present yourself as an smart person, but as you can see, you just become a laughing stock with the things you write, so you better stop, the topic is not about the nonsense you talk.

The one good thing I can say about Defender is that it comes preinstalled with Windows Home and is the one bundled feature I'd keep for the simple reason that bad protection is way better than no protection at all for the the users that can't pick an AV to save their lives. Defender for the enterprise is the same piece of crap as the one on desktop because it uses the same piece of crap detection engine. What you get instead is centralized management, better analytics and direct access to MS engineering support and that's pretty much it. On the other hand, Defender refuses to stop running even if you install a 3rd party AV and that caused so many issues that since Windows Server 2016 you can completely uninstall it with PowerShell, but that's limited to Server editions and you can't do it on Desktop as far as I know.

BTW, the enterprise portal for Defender looks like this:

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I count one Copilot and 3 AI in just that little piece of screen.

EDIT: Ooops, sorry. 4 AI.

I agree.

 

[tpa-pr]

The decision to run screaming away from the Microsoft ecosystem onto Linux just gets better every day

The only positive I can spin from this is it might be good from an accessibility standpoint? I'm failing to come up with how off the top of my head mind you...

The insistence on jamming AI into everything is getting incredibly aggravating though. I have a manager at work who spends more time evangelizing AI than actually working.

 

[AGlezB]

The decision to run screaming away from the Microsoft ecosystem onto Linux just gets better every day

The only positive I can spin from this is it might be good from an accessibility standpoint? I'm failing to come up with how off the top of my head mind you...

The insistence on jamming AI into everything is getting incredibly aggravating though. I have a manager at work who spends more time evangelizing AI than actually working.

Linux's worst enemy is Linux. There are so many distros you need to do reasearch before you can even pick one and even with research you might end up installing the wrong distro because you didn't read the small print and some licensing conflict made so nVidia drivers aren't bundled so you need to make another choice between picking another distro or trying your hand at installing the driver which in some cases might require a kernel rebuild. At that point it already lost 95+ percent of the installs to Windows and MacOS. Big players like Red Hat, SUSE and Canonical are the only reason Linux even has 4% desktop market share, because they've invested a lot in distros most people can use with relative ease. The rest has done more harm than good.

 

[tpa-pr]

Linux's worst enemy is Linux. There are so many distros you need to do reasearch before you can even pick one and even with research you might end up installing the wrong distro because you didn't read the small print and some licensing conflict made so nVidia drivers aren't bundled so you need to make another choice between picking another distro or trying your hand at installing the driver which in some cases might require a kernel rebuild. At that point it already lost 95+ percent of the installs to Windows and MacOS. Big players like Red Hat, SUSE and Canonical are the only reason Linux even has 4% desktop market share, because they've invested a lot in distros most people can use with relative ease. The rest has done more harm than good.

Agreed on multiple fronts. Getting your foot in the door of Linux without someone in the know can be a harrowing experience and once you do there's more upkeep and maintenance involved compared to Windows, depending on the distro anyway.

That being said; I find it worth the trade-off of not getting Microsoft's new ideas getting shoved into my install via feature updates, which then tend to turn up at inconvenient times interrupting my workflow. Windows as an OS has become very inconsistent in recent years, user experiences that have worked well for so long and become familiar are changed frequently or replaced with the next big thing Microsoft decide on. That series of clicks to do the thing you want you've been using since Windows XP? It's gone now, there's four extra clicks and one of them ends in a broken search box or a CoPilot pop-up

AI is obviously the flavour of the day, the problem is Microsoft didn't check if anyone but middle managers like the taste

 

[lexluthermiester]

https://www.gartner.com/reviews/market/endpoint-protection-platforms

You're joking with that link? ALL of those ratings are USER votes. They are not empirical testing results. Try again.

And here ladies and gentlemen we have an example of someone using a search algorithm (a.k.a. Google) to quickly copy-paste arguments with 100% confidence, 35% coherence and 0% understanding. A truly shinig example of the AI-chatbot era.

Seems likely.

 

[AGlezB]

Agreed on multiple fronts. Getting your foot in the door of Linux without someone in the know can be a harrowing experience and once you do there's more upkeep and maintenance involved compared to Windows, depending on the distro anyway.

That being said; I find it worth the trade-off of not getting Microsoft's new ideas getting shoved into my install via feature updates, which then tend to turn up at inconvenient times interrupting my workflow. Windows as an OS has become very inconsistent in recent years, user experiences that have worked well for so long and become familiar are changed frequently or replaced with the next big thing Microsoft decide on. That series of clicks to do the thing you want you've been using since Windows XP? It's gone now, there's four extra clicks and one of them ends in a broken search box or a CoPilot pop-up

AI is obviously the flavour of the day, the problem is Microsoft didn't check if anyone but middle managers like the taste

The way I see it there are only 2 ways to take Windows down:

1. Apple open sourcing MacOS or at least releasing a MacOS version that can run on the same hardware as Windows. This one would kill Windows within 5 years but it will never happen for several reasons including, but not limited to, the fact that would void MacOS's "exclusivity" perception which is one of the reasons you pay the Apple Tax.
2. The whole of the Linux ecosystem coming toguether to create a single Linux distro to rule them all, let's call it Ring Linux. This will also never happen for so, so, so many reasons, but in my estimation removing the ecosystem fragmentation and mantaining Ring under careful governance would make a serious contender for Windows within a couple of decades.

There is a 3rd, least likely option, which is to create a free and open source Windows clone so good that a normal person would have trouble choosing between them. It has been attempted in the past (and present), with very little success because you can't expect an open source project to compete with the budget of a trillion dollar company playing on their home ground. And lets not forget MS went and made the single language Home Edition free to install and use so a not insignificant chunk of the world population that was in the fence because of the price just went and said OK and are now little happy Windows 10/11 users. I still have hopes for ReactOS but it still is decades away from being able to achieve the level that they need to be considered as serious competition and meanwhile MS will continue to add features to Windows that might not have value for everyone but will have value for someone and that someone will not want to leave Windows unless they're sure they'll get the exact same feature in ReactOS. Bake enough of those features into Windows and you have a guaranteed userbase the will never want to leave.

 

[Marcus L]

Because it's Chrome based, made by microsoft and included by force. How do you not get this? I mean are you kidding with that?

Oh yeah, because we can trust microsoft.. News flash, if the European Union doesn't trust microsoft, why would any of the rest of us have any reason to?

Says the person who doesn't understand how the real world works. You do know there are OTHER security suites available for the public, right?

And YOU are calling anyone else a "stupid ignoramus"?

Oh?

Good grief this nonsense.. It's like discussing calculus with a belligerent 9 year old..

You had me until you can trust the EU more than M$ the EU is a fucking dictatorship m8, if that's the best you have against M$ then you have already lost, I wouldn't trust the EU to babysit my children, would you? pigs in a trough comes to mind

 

[eidairaman1]

The way I see it there are only 2 ways to take Windows down:

1. Apple open sourcing MacOS or at least releasing a MacOS version that can run on the same hardware as Windows. This one would kill Windows within 5 years but it will never happen for several reasons including, but not limited to, the fact that would void MacOS's "exclusivity" perception which is one of the reasons you pay the Apple Tax.
2. The whole of the Linux ecosystem coming toguether to create a single Linux distro to rule them all, let's call it Ring Linux. This will also never happen for so, so, so many reasons, but in my estimation removing the ecosystem fragmentation and mantaining Ring under careful governance would make a serious contender for Windows within a couple of decades.

There is a 3rd, least likely option, which is to create a free and open source Windows clone so good that a normal person would have trouble choosing between them. It has been attempted in the past (and present), with very little success because you can't expect an open source project to compete with the budget of a trillion dollar company playing on their home ground. And lets not forget MS went and made the single language Home Edition free to install and use so a not insignificant chunk of the world population that was in the fence because of the price just went and said OK and are now little happy Windows 10/11 users. I still have hopes for ReactOS but it still is decades away from being able to achieve the level that they need to be considered as serious competition and meanwhile MS will continue to add features to Windows that might not have value for everyone but will have value for someone and that someone will not want to leave Windows unless they're sure they'll get the exact same feature in ReactOS. Bake enough of those features into Windows and you have a guaranteed userbase the will never want to leave.

Or ReactOS finally goes beta and into production

 

[lexluthermiester]

He comes off as a person who works for microsucks and supports winblows.

So professional troll? Possible. It would track if that user hadn't been elsewhere in the forums causing drama and nonsense. I think they're just a youngun reacting appropriate to their age.

You had me until you can trust the EU more than M$

What?!?

the EU is a fucking dictatorship m8, if that's the best you have against M$ then you have already lost, I wouldn't trust the EU to babysit my children, would you? pigs in a trough comes to mind

Oh please. Take that mental drivel somewhere else...

 

[eidairaman1]

You had me until you can trust the EU more than M$ the EU is a fucking dictatorship m8, if that's the best you have against M$ then you have already lost, I wouldn't trust the EU to babysit my children, would you? pigs in a trough comes to mind

Yeah they used to slap ms with antitrust suits, i noticed that hasn't been happening since what 8 or 10?

 

[Marcus L]

Yeah they used to slap ms with antitrust suits, i noticed that hasn't been happening since what 8 or 10?

it's a bloc, same as USSR/CCP they give a fk about consumers

 

[Ahhzz]

Personal attacks will stop. Thanks!

 

[AGlezB]

Or ReactOS finally goes beta and into production

It's not enough. They'll need a huge advertising budget in the hands of highly capable advertisers, making sure they don't hire anyone currently working for AMD, Intel or nVidia.

Joke aside they'd need to spend billions over several decades just in advertising or they will not make a dent on Windows no matter how good ReacOS is at that point. For one they'll will be unable to keep feature parity with Windows, part from lack of budget/manpower and part because a lot of stuff on Windows is patented and even if MS allows them to license the patents it will be at a cost they'll never be able to afford without outright killing the project altoguether.

This is not a David vs. Goliath fight, it's a 5 month-old baby trying to use a fist to fight a Ford-class aircraft carrier sailing 500 miles away with a full complement and a heavy escort armed with HALO missiles.

 

[tpa-pr]

The way I see it there are only 2 ways to take Windows down:

1. Apple open sourcing MacOS or at least releasing a MacOS version that can run on the same hardware as Windows. This one would kill Windows within 5 years but it will never happen for several reasons including, but not limited to, the fact that would void MacOS's "exclusivity" perception which is one of the reasons you pay the Apple Tax.
2. The whole of the Linux ecosystem coming toguether to create a single Linux distro to rule them all, let's call it Ring Linux. This will also never happen for so, so, so many reasons, but in my estimation removing the ecosystem fragmentation and mantaining Ring under careful governance would make a serious contender for Windows within a couple of decades.

There is a 3rd, least likely option, which is to create a free and open source Windows clone so good that a normal person would have trouble choosing between them. It has been attempted in the past (and present), with very little success because you can't expect an open source project to compete with the budget of a trillion dollar company playing on their home ground. And lets not forget MS went and made the single language Home Edition free to install and use so a not insignificant chunk of the world population that was in the fence because of the price just went and said OK and are now little happy Windows 10/11 users. I still have hopes for ReactOS but it still is decades away from being able to achieve the level that they need to be considered as serious competition and meanwhile MS will continue to add features to Windows that might not have value for everyone but will have value for someone and that someone will not want to leave Windows unless they're sure they'll get the exact same feature in ReactOS. Bake enough of those features into Windows and you have a guaranteed userbase the will never want to leave.

I think we're getting closer to #2 every day, explicitly for gaming though. I think once SteamOS gets a general release (hurry up Intel and Nvidia, your drivers are holding it back!) we'll see a lot of gamers swap from Windows to it. I know a lot of people personally who are champing at the bit to get away from Windows 11 but don't have the confidence to pick up a Linux distro on their own, they'll feel a lot better knowing a big company like Valve is on the other end of the proverbial phone for support.

For general purpose computing Windows is of course going to continue holding the majority marketshare. The cost of entry to the Apple ecosystem is far too high for most people (for computers anyway) and as you said, Linux is just too fragmented to present a united front that works for the general public. I do think that the more Microsoft push things people don't want in Windows like AI, the more people will at least explore alternatives, but I imagine most of them will settle on the mobile experience with Android and iOS.

 

[AGlezB]

I think we're getting closer to #2 every day, explicitly for gaming though. I think once SteamOS gets a general release (hurry up Intel and Nvidia, your drivers are holding it back!) we'll see a lot of gamers swap from Windows to it. I know a lot of people personally who are champing at the bit to get away from Windows 11 but don't have the confidence to pick up a Linux distro on their own, they'll feel a lot better knowing a big company like Valve is on the other end of the proverbial phone for support.

And that will add Valve's name to the other three I listed and push Linux marketshare by half a percent. Excelent but not nearly enough to make a dent on Windows because pretty much every single one of those gamers will have been using Home Edition so they'll actually be doing MS a favor by not using any more of their WSUS bandwidth.

things people don't want in Windows like AI

In think it's the other way around. Everyone wants AI, at home because it saves times and in the enterprise because it saves cost. What we don't want is to have to pay for an AI that does a worse job that we'd do or one that hands over all our private data to the parent corp.

Because of my job I regularly work with people from companies of all sizes (up to lower F-500) and everyone I've talked to likes the idea of AI making their jobs easier. And management LOOOOOVES the idea because it is cheaper to hire someone who knows how to tell the AI to create an Excel sheet for the quarter financial report than it is to hire some who actually knows how to do the same. Companies will always need experts but the more the AI can do the less it needs to be done manually and the more it can be done by less skilled, read cheaper, workers.

Think about this way: there was a time where if you wanted to know where a file was on a computer you'd have to type "dir file.ext /s" on a DOS prompt and wait. Now on Windows you just need to type a few characters in the search box and Windows will find it for you and once you open it will be added to the MRU list and the next time you want to open it you will not need to find it and it will be at the top of the recent list. That constitutes a huge jump in usability and AI is the next step in that same direction. Then came the WWW and Altavista, Yahoo Search and a lot of other search engines that nobody remembers today. If you want to find something on the web you "google it" but you still need to check at least a few of the results to see if it found what you actually wanted and not something else that sounded similar, which BTW is what made Google the leading search engine, being the one with the most accurate results. The next step is AI, where you remove the need to learn how to tweak the search terms and the need check the results for yourself. Just type a natural language question and get a concise answer.

TL;DR AI is here to stay. Don't waste time hating it. Try to learn to take advantage of it without loosing the skills we already have and hopefully add "good with AI" to the list. It will look good on your resume.

EDIT: Sorry about the rant. I just noticed my blood alcohol level is too low so I'll get right down to fixing that.

 

[AusWolf]

Bingo. Just like Uber, they're giving it away for close-to-free now in the hope that people will become dependent enough on it to start charging ALL THE MONIES in future. Except there's no world in which ordinary people (i.e. gamers) are willing to pay for a fancy search engine.

As for the professional world, the value proposition is a lot stronger there, except... that world requires accuracy and precision and hey guess what, LLMs randomly make s**t up all the time. Which is completely orthogonal to accuracy and precision!

AI gives you the most prevalent answer out there - not the most correct one. That's why I find it of little, if any use.

 

[Timbaloo]

The way I see it there are only 2 ways to take Windows down:

1. Apple open sourcing MacOS or at least releasing a MacOS version that can run on the same hardware as Windows. This one would kill Windows within 5 years but it will never happen for several reasons including, but not limited to, the fact that would void MacOS's "exclusivity" perception which is one of the reasons you pay the Apple Tax.
2. The whole of the Linux ecosystem coming toguether to create a single Linux distro to rule them all, let's call it Ring Linux. This will also never happen for so, so, so many reasons, but in my estimation removing the ecosystem fragmentation and mantaining Ring under careful governance would make a serious contender for Windows within a couple of decades.

If the "ecosystem fragmentation" keeps people with your mindset out of the Linux world, then I think the strategy should be to maximise fragmentation, because you basically want to replace a "no options" Windows with a "no options" Linux.

Linux's worst enemy is Linux. There are so many distros you need to do reasearch before you can even pick one and even with research you might end up installing the wrong distro because you didn't read the small print and some licensing conflict made so nVidia drivers aren't bundled so you need to make another choice between picking another distro or trying your hand at installing the driver which in some cases might require a kernel rebuild.

Linux: Boot from USB stick and have a working environment.

Windows 11: Sorry, your hardware is too old and you cannot install Windows 11 even though it could easily run on your system but we decided to force stuff up your arse that you don't really want, all optional though