Microsoft Launches Windows 11 Operating System

[johnspack]

You can install it using a local account. Also Openshell works on it just fine. For a virtualbox vm, go get the test dev build of vmadditons iso. Oh and I had to install Openshell to get any kind of start menu. It defaults to that stupid macos taskbar on install. I don't have a mac or a portable device... at least not one I want to run windows on....

 

[windwhirl]

You can install it using a local account.

Only with Pro editions. The plan for Home is to require a MS account. Not sure if that's already implemented in the leaked build.

 

[Caring1]

Great, I can play Pokemon on the desktop and not just my phone and iPad.

 

[Jamo1234]

TPM - Now required to boot Win 11:

Also about TPM: a Privacy nightmare;

TPM 2.0​

Criticism​

TPM has faced resistance to the deployment of this technology in some areas, where some authors see possible uses not specifically related to Trusted Computing, which may raise privacy concerns. The concerns include the abuse of remote validation of software (where the manufacturer‍—‌and not the user who owns the computer system‍—‌decides what software is allowed to run) and possible ways to follow actions taken by the user being recorded in a database, in a manner that is completely undetectable to the user.[48]

The attacker who has physical or administrative access to a computer can circumvent TPM, e.g., by installing a hardware keystroke logger, by resetting TPM, or by capturing memory contents and retrieving TPM-issued keys. As such, the condemning text goes so far as to claim that TPM is entirely redundant.

I guess that's why Apple have had so called "security chips" T2 chip etc for a while now. So they can keylog everything and remote install hidden software ... Guess I'll stick with the earliest builds of win 10 for gaming until 2025 then / or never do anything that requires privacy on win 11 just use it for gaming .

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

Who in the DIY community has a TPM module installed?

I mean, if you want Secure Boot or Bitlocker, of course you need one, but I think it's kinda rare outside of OEMs systems.

Well, it's on DIY motherboards now, most likely, you just have to enable that in the UEFI-BIOS. This wasn't hard with my MSI B450 Tomahawk.
It's apparently matured now. Unlike 2015, 2016 and 2017.

But, OTOH, IIRC, I received a warning to not enable Secure Boot for 10 and that it can cause 10's Windows Update to fail epically.

 

[windwhirl]

Well, it's on DIY motherboards now, most likely, you just have to enable that in the UEFI-BIOS. This wasn't hard with my MSI B450 Tomahawk.
It's apparently matured now. Unlike 2015, 2016 and 2017.

Yeah, a while after I posted that I learned of fTPM.

 

[Camm]

Feel like people are being a little bit precious, but you have until 2025 to either continue with Windows 10 or move to linux if registering an account is really all that big of a deal for you.

That aside, I'm liking alot of the features announced. Looks pretty cool IMO.

 

[timta2]

TPM - Now required to boot Win 11:

Also about TPM: a Privacy nightmare;

TPM 2.0​

​

Criticism​

TPM has faced resistance to the deployment of this technology in some areas, where some authors see possible uses not specifically related to Trusted Computing, which may raise privacy concerns. The concerns include the abuse of remote validation of software (where the manufacturer‍—‌and not the user who owns the computer system‍—‌decides what software is allowed to run) and possible ways to follow actions taken by the user being recorded in a database, in a manner that is completely undetectable to the user.[48]

The attacker who has physical or administrative access to a computer can circumvent TPM, e.g., by installing a hardware keystroke logger, by resetting TPM, or by capturing memory contents and retrieving TPM-issued keys. As such, the condemning text goes so far as to claim that TPM is entirely redundant.

I guess that's why Apple have had so called "security chips" T2 chip etc for a while now. So they can keylog everything and remote install hidden software ... Guess I'll stick with the earliest builds of win 10 for gaming until 2025 then / or never do anything that requires privacy on win 11 just use it for gaming .

That's a stupid and paranoid theory, unless you can cite some actual proof of the allegations that you're making here, in your absurd attempt at Apple bashing.

 

[Makaveli]

Once I went into the bios to enable this the check was good for me.

 

[eidairaman1]

F microsoft for winblows 8-11. The gui is still sbysmal, bring back 7 lol

 

[Mussels]

Here's the official list of supported CPUs... it is quite short...

Intel (8th gen or newer)

AMD (Ryzen 2000 or newer)

WTF

WTF?

If their secret sauce to debloat and speed up the OS is to ditch support for CPU's... oof

 

[bobsled]

So sad to see forced obsolescence and absolutely moronic decisions in regards to perfectly capable hardware being excluded from compatibility.

Damn you Microsoft. Up on your enviro greenie pedestal about being carbon neutral, but your decisions like this cause excessive, inexcusable waste. And yes, I see no reason why TPM matters in the least for a home user.

 

[Frick]

Here's the official list of supported CPUs... it is quite short...

Intel (8th gen or newer)

AMD (Ryzen 2000 or newer)

WTF

I'm assuming those are the chips that has TPM2 modules in them? Elsewhere they describe a "hard floor" and a "soft floor":

There are new minimum hardware requirements for Windows 11. In order to run Windows 11, devices must meet the following specifications. Devices that do not meet the hard floor cannot be upgraded to Windows 11, and devices that meet the soft floor will receive a notification that upgrade is not advised.

Hard Floor:

• CPU: Core >= 2 and Speed >= 1 GHz
• System Memory: TotalPhysicalRam >= 4 GB
• Storage: 64 GB
• Security: TPM Version >= 1.2 and SecureBootCapable = True
• Smode: Smode is false, or Smode is true and C_ossku in (0x65, 0x64, 0x63, 0x6D, 0x6F, 0x73, 0x74, 0x71)

Soft Floor:

• Security: TPMVersion >= 2.0
• CPU Generation

Compatibility for Windows 11- Compatibility Cookbook

Learn how to enable your apps are compatible for Windows 11

docs.microsoft.com

 

[VulkanBros]

Every other windows is traditionally garbage. Xp=good, vista=garbage, 7=good, 8=garbage,10=good, 11=garbage.

Not entirely true... (I am old - so I have tried every single of these OS´s)

Windows 1.0 - garbage
Windows 2.X - garbage
Windows 3.0 - garbage
Windows 3.1 - better
Windows 3.11 - better now with network support
Windows NT 3.5 - garbage
Windows NT 3.51 - better
Windows 95 - better
Windows NT 4.0 - good
Windows 98/98 SE - good
Windows 2000 - good
Windews ME - otterly garbage
Windows XP - good
Windows Vista - garbage
Windows 7 - good
Windows 8/8.1 - garbage
Windows 10 - good

MS DOS 3.0 to MS DOS 6.22 and OS/2 where, in my opinion, the most stable - together with various UNIX/Linux versions

 

[Mussels]

Ahh the good old days when 100MB of RAM was enough for an OS

*Looks at 64GB*



i wonder how many XP's can fit in this thing in VMs

 

[ThrashZone]

Hi,
I'd tag 10 as so-so but looking at 11 requirements ms has a thing about making so-so look better lol

 

[Arcdar]

Hmm....

So on my old Xeons (v2 and v3 // 2011 & 2011-3) with "Intel® Trusted Execution Technology" it still won't work, I guess.... shame. I don't know if it's good or bad yet and would have at least tried it out once.

And yes. I still like those machines - a dual 2696 on x79 and a dual 2678v3 - both still run well and are even enough for gaming with their 2070s and 2080 so I don't see a need to upgrade it --- or did, until MS told me
that after all the years THEY finally found a way to make me upgrade at some point. Still not as they would be too slow.... but because they are "hard enforced" not supported anymore....

awesome.....

 

[bug]

The TPM&SecureBoot requirement can throw a monkey wrench into dual-booting. Idk if those have been solved properly on the Linux side.

Basically all that was sold under the "don't worry about it, it's only optional, you can disable it at any time" in Win10, is not optional anymore. On top of that, we get nothing in return. There seems to be no new useful feature enabled by all these changes

 

[windwhirl]

Feature deprecations and removals​

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When upgrading to Windows 11 from Windows 10 or when installing an update to Windows 11, some features may be deprecated or removed. Please see below for information regarding some of the key features impacted:

• Cortana will no longer be included in the first boot experience or pinned to the Taskbar.
• Desktop wallpaper cannot be roamed to or from device when signed in with a Microsoft account.
• Internet Explorer is disabled. Microsoft Edge is the recommended replacement and includes IE Mode which may be useful in certain scenarios.
• Math Input Panel is removed. Math Recognizer will install on demand and includes the math input control and recognizer. Math inking in apps like OneNote are not impacted by this change.
• News & Interests has evolved. New functionality has been added which can be found by clicking the Widgets icon on the Taskbar.
• Quick Status from the Lockscreen and associated settings are removed.
• S Mode is only available now for Windows 11 Home edition.
• Snipping Tool continues to be available but the old design and functionality in the Windows 10 version has been replaced with those of the app previously known as Snip & Sketch.
• Start is significantly changed in Windows 11 including the following key deprecations and removals:
  • Named groups and folders of apps are no longer supported and the layout is not currently resizable.
  • Pinned apps and sites will not migrate when upgrading from Windows 10.
  • Live Tiles are no longer available. For glanceable, dynamic content, see the new Widgets feature.

• Tablet Mode is removed and new functionality and capability is included for keyboard attach and detach postures.
• Taskbarfunctionality is changed including:
  • People is no longer present on the Taskbar.
  • Some icons may no longer appear in the System Tray (systray) for upgraded devices including previous customizations.
  • Alignment to the bottom of the screen is the only location allowed.
  • Apps can no longer customize areas of the Taskbar.

• Timeline is removed. Some similar functionality is available in Microsoft Edge.
• Touch Keyboard will no longer dock and undock keyboard layouts on screen sizes 18 inches and larger.
• Wallet is removed.

The following apps will not be removed on upgrade but will no longer be installed on new devices or when clean-installing Windows 11. They are available for download from the Store:

• 3D Viewer
• OneNote for Windows 10
• Paint 3D
• Skype

Have some more reasons to rage, if you want.

 

[jardows]

Have some more reasons to rage, if you want.

Taskbar permanently stuck to the bottom of the screen? I'm out.

 

[theFOoL]

Taskbar permanently stuck to the bottom of the screen? I'm out.

So... you want it on Top like Mac-OS? Hmm....

 

[bug]

Taskbar permanently stuck to the bottom of the screen? I'm out.

That's idiotic. Vertical space is at a premium, imho all UI elements should stick to the sides of the screen

 

[jardows]

So... you want it on Top like Mac-OS? Hmm....

Nah, like XFCE default. Or just like Win9x - 10 with the taskbar on top.

 

[Makaveli]

That's idiotic. Vertical space is at a premium, imho all UI elements should stick to the sides of the screen

Yup that's why i'm still on a 16:10 aspect ratio monitor

 

[Slizzo]

Anyone else in IT see this and start feeling a panic attack coming on?

Nah, it'll be a few years at least until we need to actually worry about it.