Microsoft MUST provide Windows 10 updates for at least another 10 years

[azrael]

You MUST provide me with a million dollars.

Are you gonna do it? No? Then why the fuck should Microsoft cave to your silly demands?

You forgot this.

 

[mb194dc]

10 Ltsc iot is good until 2032. Pretty sure a lot of people will use it, especially in India and other countries. It's pretty easy...

 

[Onasi]

You MUST provide me with a million dollars.

Easily, you didn’t specify, so a million Zimbabwe dollars it is. Not even that bad, honestly, enough for a next gen NVidia flagship at least.

Just the bit that Intel had no stake in this.

The on-chip Thread Director seems to do fine even under 10. I am not sure Intel has enough pull with MS nowadays to force a full new OS release just for some minor scheduler tweaks. I truly believe that MS would have repurposed 10X as 11 even without Alder Lake, they probably didn’t want resources spent on development to go to waste.

 

[Ruru]

This made me chuckle, you can still use win 10 after support stops. You just need to use it with caution. Start saving up 20-30 buck monthly and you have a new machine before you know it.
Machines that support win 11 is already on the used market.

Few euros/dollars is enough for a TPM module from ebay. My 6700K machine has no issues running Win11 with it.

 

[windwhirl]

The US or EU governments should force Microsoft to provide Windows 10 updates for at least another 10 years.

When Microsoft stops providing Windows 10 security updates, millions of computers will turn into toxic waste overnight.

And the people most affected will be the poorest, who don't have enough money to buy a new computer with the hardware requirements for Windows 11.

They must realize that there is no Planet B for us.

This is too much greed and indifference on Microsoft's part, and too much shame for MS, when it ends support for Windows 10 in 2025.

I hope greed doesn't win and that Microsoft continues to release updates for Windows 10 until at least 2035.

And who's gonna pay for that? You?

 

[Assimilator]

Not sure a TPM chip or secureboot offers much benefit to a consumer at all when used on a desktop residing in a private residence.

Because private residences never get things stolen from them...

Few euros/dollars is enough for a TPM module from ebay. My 6700K machine has no issues running Win11 with it.

BUT MY PC FROM NOAH'S ARK DOESN'T SUPPORT TPM, WAAAAH, MICROSOFT IS EVIL

 

[Deleted member 234478]

2 pc of mine are windows 10 for gaming and editing. they have never been connected to the net. if programs stop working with w10, ill install w11, but then the same thing. they will never be connected to the net. thats the issue

I have a windows 7 pc and learning to use linux for online basic use. screw microsoft. im not playing their game.

 

[Chomiq]

We still have customers that are running Windows XP or Windows 7 at best. End of support for W10 does not mean the end of world.

 

[Vayra86]

Of the Intel CPUs supported by Windows 11, only those from the 8th generation onwards are officially compatible with Windows 11. Of the AMD CPUs, only Ryzen 2000 and newer. And Windows 11 only works if the motherboard has TPM 2.0.

Thousands of people and businesses that use not-so-old PCs in perfect condition will have to throw away their PCs if Microsoft does not maintain security updates and support for Windows 10.

Requisitos do processador Windows; processadores AMD compatíveis com Windows 11, versão 22H2 e 23H2

Essa especificação informa detalhadamente os processadores AMD que podem ser usados com sistemas de clientes do Windows 11, versão 22H2 e 23H2, que incluem produtos do Windows, inclusive imagens personalizadas.

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Requisitos de processador do Windows: processadores Intel compatíveis com Windows 11, versão 22H2 & 23H2

Essa especificação detalha os processadores Intel que podem ser usados com sistemas de cliente Windows 11, versão 22H2 & 23H2 que incluem produtos Windows (como imagens personalizadas).

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How to Bypass Windows 11's TPM, CPU and RAM Requirements

Use simple utilities to install Windows 11 on any PC.

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Its really not hard to get Windows 11 to behave.
There is also LTSC. All it takes is a bit of searching.

I've got W11 with a local account, no TPM, not even a Store, and support until 2034.

These system requirements for Windows were historically also, always a bit of a 'soft requirement'. More of a recommendation. Nothing is new in 2024. Same shit different day.

We still have customers that are running Windows XP or Windows 7 at best. End of support for W10 does not mean the end of world.

I have a Windows 98 laptop that still works as it did back then - barely

 

[chrcoluk]

They already are supporting for another 8 years or so, just most people think Microsoft abandon it when consumer mainstream ends.

People need to go out of the box and look for the other avenues.

 

[P4-630]

We still have customers that are running Windows XP or Windows 7 at best. End of support for W10 does not mean the end of world.

Just don´t use it with internet connection....

 

[windwhirl]

The people that actually care about it will replace the OS with Linux or find a way to upgrade or update or something.

The much bigger portion of the market that really can't upgrade to Windows 11, the vast majority of it probably won't care and if anything they'll be glad for not getting any more "annoying" updates.

 

[Shrek]

What about 0patch? (free for personal use)

Welcome to the era of vulnerability micropatching - 0patch

 

[Bill_Bright]

and “old-but-still-useful-equipment” has dies not have a new win10 driver for it?

If so, folks must remember that it is the equipment maker's responsibility to ensure updated drivers are made available, not Microsoft's. And folks must also remember there is no financial incentive for equipment makers to keep developing drivers for their superseded, legacy products. There are $0.00 in profits for HP, for example, to continue to develop drivers for their obsolete, no-longer-in-production printing devices whenever a new version of Windows is released. They don't even break even. It is like throwing money down an old well. They would much rather we buy new HP printing devices so they can bring in new revenue. That is not "evil" business, that is just business.

they can switch to Linux.

This is advice that needs to stop. Linux is good, but it's not great. Not yet.

Come on, Lex! You literally took my comment out of context by intentionally leaving off the first half, and clarifying portion, of my sentence!

What I actually said was,

If folks want to keep using their 10 - 15 year old computers, they can switch to Linux.

 

[95Viper]

Stick to the topic.
Stop the insulting posts.
Be civil.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Get good and install Linux instead.

 

[R-T-B]

What about 0patch? (free for personal use)

Welcome to the era of vulnerability micropatching - 0patch

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Never really trusted the idea. They don't even have access to source. You are trusting a "black box" that claims they figured out how to fix another older "black box." The concept is somewhat absurd.

 

[Vincero]

If so, folks must remember that it is the equipment maker's responsibility to ensure updated drivers are made available, not Microsoft's. And folks must also remember there is no financial incentive for equipment makers to keep developing drivers for their superseded, legacy products. There are $0.00 in profits for HP, for example, to continue to develop drivers for their obsolete, no-longer-in-production printing devices whenever a new version of Windows is released. They don't even break even. It is like throwing money down an old well. They would much rather we buy new HP printing devices so they can bring in new revenue. That is not "evil" business, that is just business.

HP (and other printer makers) are actually the one example where you would expect them to keep making new drivers when needed - at the end of the day the consumables market adds to their profits. It's not like they even need to put in the same level of effort to patch or update drivers compared to writing from scratch. If people are still able to use the device and buy consumables from you then I doubt the software engineers few days of work is really gonna be that big a burden to the balance sheet.

On the flip side, that would mean companies like GPU, NIC, HBA, and other core logic device makers have zero benefit yet they do a good job - maybe they have figured out that crap support means crap return customers...?

Microsoft have actually slowly started to absorb some of the driver responsibility from manufacturers (to a certain extent for the worse I would say personally) - I'm sure their grand plan is that all drivers will deliver via Windows Update and the shift between driver models (DCH/UWP vs packaged) reinforces that. It doesn't change the fact that the manufacturer need to develop the software side, and with that middle-man deployment method, doesn't help with people maybe (with quite valid reasons) wanting to use specific versions instead of the latest.
Sure Windows Update makes things easier, but isn't infallible and can't handle some complex scenarios.

 

[lilhasselhoffer]

So... There's a ton of "it doesn't matter" in here...and I concur and believe this is not as big as thought. That said, I also live with systems still running AS400...a system of pseudo ERP that is basically just a linked database with minor GUI which stopped being updated long ago. These companies are inherently vulnerable from the sense that things are not being protected with updates...but at some point you have to acknowledge that none of this matters for an operating system that is nearly a decade old already. This is coming from someone who hates 11 due to all of the BS telemetry that needs to be addressed day one...

That said, it'll be seven whole years worth of AMD hardware that doesn't have TPM baked into the CPU to meet requirements for Windows 11. I have a socket 2011 PC that has the ability to click in a TPM module...so you're telling me that for less than a $20 it's unreasonable to keep old hardware? Socket 2011 will be 14 years old, and running a system from the Sandybridge period....prior to full SATA III, M.2, DDR4, and so many other things that make a modern system boot in less time than it takes to make a sandwich...



I would like Windows 10 to stand as the "Xbox 360" for MS. That is to say that when the Xbox X came out MS said "the option for people who don't want to always be connected is the Xbox 360." They ate that one, as people hated a disc less console requiring always online services...which is what Sony is doing with the new Playstation. I think that MS wants everyone on Windows 11 because the Apple/Amazon/Netflix style greed of charging more for previously add free services to remain add free is basically what MS started with Windows 10 and the automatically installed games...but despite this we should all be good sheeple and let things work themselves out. That's Windows 11... but less slimey with the ability to manage advertising and telemetry. While not an ideal situation, it is not the end of the world.

 

[Easy Rhino]

side note, why is it so difficult to find a Windows revenue breakdown by license type? Their annual report does not delve that deeply from what I can tell.

Microsoft 2023 Annual Report

www.microsoft.com

I would love to know how much money M$ gets from home licenses.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think microsoft needs to be broken up and Windows separated from the nitwit board/execs running the company and marketing morons ruining Windows.

 

[Bill_Bright]

HP (and other printer makers) are actually the one example where you would expect them to keep making new drivers when needed

You might expect that, but I don't. Why would you expect any company to keep expending resources (with $0.00 returns) writing hardware drivers - for dwindling numbers of users - for operating systems that have been superseded 3 times over when those operating systems are not even supported by the OS developer?

Yes, consumables (ink & toner) are big cash cows. But odds are, those cartridges are not use in modern devices. So their numbers are dwindling too - not to mention a bit percentage of those users are likely using 3rd party inks and toners.

Look! I sympathize with you - as an electronics tech (hardware person) - I don't take pleasure in retiring perfectly good hardware before it dies either. But that is just a fact of life. How many of us retired perfectly good CRT monitors and TVs? Analog TVs? 4:3 LCD monitors for widescreens? Cassette players? CD players? VCRs? Home cordless phones? Cell phones?

 

[Vincero]

I would love to know how much money M$ gets from home licenses.

Will be difficult to tell as I suspect >50% of those licenses are sales that are related to bundled hardware (i.e. with new PC), and the amount they get from that is definitely not the same as a retail license, especially with regards to support from MS that the license gives you.

You might expect that, but I don't.

I wouldn't say I expect it - there will definitely be some companies that will take it into account and some that don't.... Certainly I don't forsee many devices even made within the last few years that don't have WPA3 support for example to get an update to fix it and we are talking about current tech and a current standard, outside of say business/commercial devices.

 

[Bill_Bright]

I wouldn't say I expect it

Huh? That is exactly what you did say in your previous post.

 

[dirtyferret]

I would love to know how much money M$ gets from home licenses.

not as much as you think in terms of all their income streams

Most of the Windows revenue (59% of the total) comes from licenses sold to OEM manufacturers that sell computers with Windows preinstalled.

Windows generated 12% of Microsoft’s revenue in 2022, a far smaller share than historically. It would be a mistake to interpret its decreasing revenue share as a decrease in its importance for Microsoft. Windows is still an important platform, which dominates personal computer operating systems with a 75% market share.

• When evaluating Windows’ importance for revenue, we should not forget to count on the revenue of products that would not exist without Windows. Examples of revenue streams that would hardly exist without Windows being the dominant operating system are Windows Server, Bing search advertising, and different developer tools.
• On top of that, we should also consider that there is an untapped potential to generate much more revenue and profits by fixing Microsoft problems with Edge browser and Bing Search.The market share of these products is so low that it is clearly one of the rare failures of modern Microsoft.
  • My rough estimate is that Microsoft loses around $25bilion of revenue annually from Google. That includes only the personal computers market, where Windows dominates.

Microsoft Revenue Breakdown by Product, Segment and Country

A detailed breakdown of Microsoft’s (MSFT) revenue by product, segment and geography with core takeaways, charts, and visuals.

www.kamilfranek.com

I think microsoft needs to be broken up and Windows separated from the nitwit board

I hate monopolies, we have too many of them and they impact our economy for the worse each day but even I would say that may be a bit of stretch and their "nitwit" board is actually impressive but mostly money people.