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Moderation Too Strict

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The mod team doesn't have to issue a warning/lock thread/ban for every silly remark, stupid GIF, or troll post. That's what the LQ is for - as you suggested. You can just delete posts without further action. You don’t have to giveaway points for every tiny infraction.
Maybe users don't have to intentionally post in ways that are directly counter to the terms they agreed to when they signed up. That's what the "I'm not posting that because it's against the terms I signed when I joined the forums" button is for.
 
Would be nice to have a warning before being locked out/issued points
 
Maybe users don't have to intentionally post in ways that are directly counter to the terms they agreed to when they signed up. That's what the "I'm not posting that because it's against the terms I signed when I joined the forums" button is for.
You can make a new button for that to encourage better behavior.

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Would be nice to have a warning before being locked out/issued points
To address this seriously a moment, for myself, and judging from some discussions in the Staff Forums, for other staff as well, we generally tend to take previous behavior into account when acting on a post. If a user has habitually pushed limits, they're much more likely to get points even if they've not been specifically warned regarding that specific behavior, or in that specific thread. If a user has habitually crossed lines of accepted behavior and can't seem to reign themselves in, they are likely to get points and/reply banned without notice. If a user hasn't really been a challenge on the forums before, or they're new, and they push or cross a line, they're most likely going to get a 0-point notice, with a "Just so you're aware, this is unacceptable, and continued like-behavior will likely result in points, etc". If you've been behaving relatively well, and suddenly find yourself smacked down for a seemingly minor issue, please bring it up with the acting mod, or another mod if that one doesn't respond.

For all the noise one way and the other in this thread, and others, we do attempt to stay impartial and relatively fair. That said, we've all had those days where a statement was made in the staff forums "I'm going to let that simmer before I act. If someone else wants/sees the need, feel free", and we've all had the days where we should have made that post. So reach out. Maybe a mod was just having a day, or misread a post. Don't expect instant reversal every time you reach out, but if you genuinely feel the response was a bit over-much, please contact one of us.
 
Maybe users don't have to intentionally post in ways that are directly counter to the terms they agreed to when they signed up.
It's not always as simple as that. Conversations get complex and when things heat up, people loose sight of the rules, often very quickly, then sometimes wires get crossed and people get pissy with each other. It's part of being human. The rules exist not as a hammer to be swung with force, but as a guidance to measure reactions too, and most of the time, with careful consideration for being on the merciful side. In all fairness, TPU staff have been a lot better at being merciful, objective and impartial in recent years.

we generally tend to take previous behavior into account when acting on a post. If a user has habitually pushed limits, they're much more likely to get points even if they've not been specifically warned regarding that specific behavior, or in that specific thread.
Here-in lays a problem. Sometimes it's unfair or even unacceptable to hold past infractions against a user.
Example; I recently had to outright ban someone for blatant antagonizing. The user being harassed was the one being reported, and holy shit did they explode in that thread. And I mean they went off the rails. While they were clearly out of line, they were also defending themselves from attack. It was an ongoing issue. The mods wanted to give the reported person some time-out, but having been watching the situation for over a year I knew the real deal. As an admin it was my call to make and so I banned the one doing the harassing and warned the others of similar penalties if they continued the harassment. They had been warned many times over the space of 14 months to knock it off. I issued no penalties to the one who had been reported and locked the other mods out of access to that account for 30 days with a warning to leave that user alone. I then asked the reported user for input. They explained, which was exactly what I had seen, and then let them know what actions had been taken. Asked them to take it easy for a little while and they agreed.

Might have to fire one of my staff for direct insubordination. It's not often that I have to get into it with them, but lines had clearly been crossed. They seem to be holding a grudge against the user in question, which is completely unacceptable and unprofessional for staff.

My point is, sometimes the bigger picture and context of a situation has to be considered and when a situation is presented a review of the larger conversation is required. Staff are never perfect, and reviewing entire conversations looking for who started the mischief can be a PITA. But that's the job. If you can't do it, don't sign up for it. For users, it's not always easy to just let something ride and report it because comments that are damaging need responses. It's not as easy as "hit that report button". Sure, sometimes that works. Sometimes not.

Moderating is a difficult juggling act at the best of times. The rules have to be weighed carefully against the situations at hand and it's frequently not an easy line to draw in the sand.

Here's the ideal set I generally subscribe to:
1. Who started it?
2. Was the situation a misunderstanding?
3. Can the situation be resolved with some cleanup and messages asking users to take it easy?
4. If malicious, who needs to get the warnings/time-out/penalties?
5. If the problems persists, are the parties involved of value to the community?
6. If the trouble makers do not contribute to the community, can they be tolerated with guidance?
7. In the case of staff joining in the frackus, were the actions taken by the staff member warranted?

Dropping a ban is not something that happens very often, but in this case it was needed. As for my staff, they're paid. It's an actual job and moderating isn't their only responsibilities. So when they cross the line, they loose their actual job. TPU is a bit different. It's also a lot larger site. For that reason things are different for TPU moderation staff, sometimes more difficult, sometimes easier.
 
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Would be nice to have a warning before being locked out/issued points

This doesn't apply to your posting behaviour, but it's silly to suggest we don't immediately infract a member if they post a direct and aggressive insult. If someone says "go fuck yourself" (or worse), it's straight points; no polite warnings will be given.

In other areas, mods often post in thread asking for people to stay on topic or whatever. We're not then going to dish out individual (further) warnings.

As has been said, if you're not happy with an infraction, contact the mod in person or the sub forum moderators.
 
Not actually a bad idea; as the dynamic of a thread changes I have decided against a post many times. A button to delete all would have been handy, especially on mobile.
sometimes, the simple act of typing/writing a heated response is good enough, cathartic even, and then deleting the response, throwing the letter away, etc is easier to do.
 
If anything its too light, I think I have only been moderated once which was for a rule breach, and right now is AMD kids trolling a intel tech discussion thread unmoderated.
 
sometimes, the simple act of typing/writing a heated response is good enough, cathartic even, and then deleting the response, throwing the letter away, etc is easier to do.
Certainly. However I just meant that sometimes I have written a long post and it would no longer make sense or is no longer necessary and it would be handy for a quick delete.
 
Enjoying the ignore button ever since I found it, hope it will be available for the staff as well (xenforo do it pls), this thread is the proof it could be beneficial for the community.

It's there, but it's more there for you guys - if more people used it to self-moderate before angrily derailing threads, our job would be massively easier. Or if people, you know, just exercised better common sense and self-control (yes, it's not easy, and not directed at anyone in particular). The problem doesn't just disappear simply because I put them on my ignore list, work still needs to be done :laugh:
 
I never use the ignore feature, both here, and at other sites as a regular member..

I would rather read and disagree rather than ignore.

Mostly because you never know when someone will say something that will change your mind about them..
 
Get real, both sides have acted the same.
Does two wrongs make a right? I prefer to not have a derailed thread and post quality content, but its up to you.
 
Hi,
Big whiff of hypocrisy in here about amd users trolling intel threads when I swear it was the other way around quite often :laugh:
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My gripe about moderation is about politics (As you call it) I call that real life. Discussing why the 4090 is banned in China as an example should be discussed politically in a tech forum that has human users.

What I don't like is how some users can jump into AMD threads and post pages of negative narrative without context and we normal users are left to deal with them. Especially when they cherry pick TPU information and misuse it to support their argument. I know it's great for popcorn but one of the most frustrating things you can do in a forum is have a conversation that someone(s) want to turn into an argument. There is always so much traffic with anything negative AMD but Nvidia can do no wrong and should be lauded for their technical achievements. Even staff suffer from that.
 
To address this seriously a moment, for myself, and judging from some discussions in the Staff Forums, for other staff as well, we generally tend to take previous behavior into account when acting on a post. If a user has habitually pushed limits, they're much more likely to get points even if they've not been specifically warned regarding that specific behavior, or in that specific thread. If a user has habitually crossed lines of accepted behavior and can't seem to reign themselves in, they are likely to get points and/reply banned without notice. If a user hasn't really been a challenge on the forums before, or they're new, and they push or cross a line, they're most likely going to get a 0-point notice, with a "Just so you're aware, this is unacceptable, and continued like-behavior will likely result in points, etc". If you've been behaving relatively well, and suddenly find yourself smacked down for a seemingly minor issue, please bring it up with the acting mod, or another mod if that one doesn't respond.

For all the noise one way and the other in this thread, and others, we do attempt to stay impartial and relatively fair. That said, we've all had those days where a statement was made in the staff forums "I'm going to let that simmer before I act. If someone else wants/sees the need, feel free", and we've all had the days where we should have made that post. So reach out. Maybe a mod was just having a day, or misread a post. Don't expect instant reversal every time you reach out, but if you genuinely feel the response was a bit over-much, please contact one of us.
Some call that bullying.
 
As I've gotten older I've realized something. Most of the times when a mod has reached out to me because I was being a dick, I was actually being a dick.

So as much as I enjoy being a dick, you're not winning any brownie points by being one and you're going to have better interactions with others if you at least give the impression of attempting to see eye to eye. If you can't, then agree to disagree. Life is too short to get pissed off about somebody else's opinion.
 
It's difficult to read a lot of the replies in this thread. Some people have made comments that arise from discussions in PM's, which we're not going to discuss because they are private. But if somebody feels they are being singled out for an act, when othes are not, there are always reasons. One may be as simple as a heuristical bias - you see it because you expect to see it. If I tell you now, that the number 57 is lucky, you will start takling note when you see the number 57. Just by reading this post, I've primed you to notice that innocuous number. It's the same as post infractions. You start watching for other people doing what you do, except, you're not applying a neutral standard. You apply your own bias based on your perceived treatment.

In almost all cases, the person receiving points for repeated offences is getting them for not heeding repeated warnings. People doing it once or twice won't get he same treatment.

Do something that breaks a simple guideline once, and we'll probably do nothing. If you do it again, we might step in and say, please stop doing 'x'. If you do it again, and again, then yeah - points will rack up. It's pretty simple.
 
You can make a new button for that to encourage better behavior.
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That Button driven by AI would demonstrate 57 useful facts. 1/ That AI could be useful as a thread moderating robot pre- Post reply, to help the member self-moderate or be aware of possible inflammatory language 2/ flagging a potential controversial post for human moderation saving or prioritizing effort/time. 3/ it would need a genius or a wizzard to actually make it work
 
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I just like good people. That at the moment, includes the mods, IMO. It also includes the majority of members here.

Glad I could help out : )

He has a chip implanted, at his age he needs a degree of automation.

Where do I purchase one of these from?
 
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That Button driven by AI would demonstrate 57 useful facts. 1/ That AI could be useful as a thread moderating robot pre- Post reply, to help the member self-moderate or be aware of possible inflammatory language 2/ flagging a potential controversial post for human moderation saving or prioritizing effort/time. 3/ it would need a genius or a wizzard to actually make it work

I see what you did there. :D

Just realised, it might trigger some Heinz flashbacks.

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There is always so much traffic with anything negative AMD but Nvidia can do no wrong and should be lauded for their technical achievements. Even staff suffer from that.

Really now? That statement seems to veer heavily into the subjective rather than objective. I think you give all of TPU way less credit than it deserves; the majority of users frequenting News seem to be plenty clear about the morality of Nvidia's business practices, on the daily.

It's all well and good that we have opinions and want to express them, and are irked by misinformation.

But bottom line is - Nvidia/AMD aren't begging users to defend their company's honor online, and it's a shit excuse for breaking TPU rules. We don't hand out free passes for "well, he STARTED it", so don't start whining about how you didn't see the *other guy* get punished too. Mod action is a private matter between user and staff - other users are not privy to PMs and details of lighter mod actions.
 
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