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Honestly it doesn't really matter what brand you buy. I just had a 3tb WD Red with about 30K hours start dying. In my NAS/storage server I have a mixture of WD, Seagate, Toshiba, and Hitachi.

I'd buy WD/HGST, Seagate, or Hitachi over Toshiba for sure though. I have a Toshiba 4TB that sounds like it's gonna blow up any moment now but SMART data is perfect.
 

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Seagate's consumer drivers are about the worst, and cheapest, you can get. For good reason.

I have seen sooo many Seagate drives fail thru the years. Almost as bad as Maxtor. Seagate bought Maxtor. Another reason to stay away.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
Seagate's consumer drivers are about the worst, and cheapest, you can get. For good reason.

I have seen sooo many Seagate drives fail thru the years. Almost as bad as Maxtor. Seagate bought Maxtor. Another reason to stay away.
It's weird to hear anecdotes when we have some decent datasets from reliable sources (instead of randos and their 'experiences').


zOMG, like Scoooby Doo, XXXXX brand is terrible! I had one and saw someone with it and it failed!!!!! o_O :kookoo:


Again, outside of some bad apples, we can see from teh data provided in this thread (and other data like from PUget systems) the failure rates for these drives (which are beat up more in a DC environment) are minuscule and hardly worth a discussion.
 
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Switching back to Seagate for their extra integrated health checks in server and NAS environments. Quite useful rather than just relying on S.M.A.R.T. data for impending HD failure.

For desktop use it doesn't really matter which company IMO.
 
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@ithehappy: buy according to your budget the least expensive but you need to buy insurance too: plan to buy cloud or other HDs for backup. You will never know if and when something is going wrong... unless you can afford to lose your data, eventually.
 
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Seagate Firecuda 2TB. Ive had one for a while now probably nearing or past its 5 year warranty and have had no issues with it. Has been used heavily all my installed games are on the drive. If it fails now ill buy another.
 

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There is a new project to estimate reliability of hard drive models: https://github.com/linuxhw/SMART

The reliability is measured by "Years before/between errors". If you are lucky enough you can find your drive in the list. Check reliability of vendor if model is missed.
 
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Seagate's consumer drivers are about the worst, and cheapest, you can get. For good reason.

I have seen sooo many Seagate drives fail thru the years. Almost as bad as Maxtor. Seagate bought Maxtor. Another reason to stay away.

I have a Seagate Barracuda 1TB as my game file storage drive, it's been alright for almost six years. Not that I would recommend it. Right now it's hooked up externally because it's developed a vibration that was making my whole case resonate and buzz constantly. About time to chuck it in the bin I think.
 
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Benchmark Scores Faster than yours... I'd bet on it. :)
There is a new project to estimate reliability of hard drive models: https://github.com/linuxhw/SMART

The reliability is measured by "Years before/between errors". If you are lucky enough you can find your drive in the list. Check reliability of vendor if model is missed.
Neat link!

Im curious how this works... like, how do they get the start and end data, etc...
 

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I've been a WD "fanboy" for years. Though my 2TB Green shows warnings, but with these hours, it's not that surprising. And all important stuff has been backuped to an another drive.

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My theory is Backup the Backup. Have multiple copies of data in multiple drives in multiple locations.

I read some where that Reds are not good for stand alone windows drive even for just storage purposes. It plays well with Raid controllers. Reason being the error correction/reporting algorithm is better in regular Blue or Black drives as they are more geared towards stand alone purposes.

Anybody have any inputs on this?
 

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My theory is Backup the Backup. Have multiple copies of data in multiple drives in multiple locations.

The rule of 3-2-1. You should always have 3 copies of your data, with 2 backups on different media, and at least 1 backup located off site.
 
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The rule of 3-2-1. You should always have 3 copies of your data, with 2 backups on different media, and at least 1 backup located off site.
I follow the same.
 
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Im using server category HDDs. More expensive, more durable. It doesnt beat good backup, but you are not forced to buy new one until you run out of space as opposed to your HDD dying.
 
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Most of our labs buy HGST enterprise drivers for use in storage servers and backup systems. Haven't had one failed out of the two batches of 20 drivers we bought, yet.
 
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Only advice i've got is to avoid drives with power saving functions like WD greens, the hardware power downs cause excessive wear for no reasons. Fine for occasional USB storage, bad for internal drives.
This. If you want ultimate reliability, go for a WD Gold. However, they're pricey. WD Blues and Blacks are very solid and HGST are very reliable as well.
 
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wd ultrastar hdd's are built to last 2million hours
 
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i got an 500GB deskstar that is closing in on 80k hours,

never missed a beat

for now i will stick to WD red pro, and seagate enterprise drives for reliability
 
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If you use Backblaze as your reference, you're ill informed. Backblaze started their business after flooding took out several HD factories (Thailand if I recall correctly) and jumped in to the server market by using consumer drives in a server environment. Many concluded, wrongly, that this was just the equivalent of a stress test, like using P95 on a CPU. That assumption simply couldn't be more wrong. It is, in fact, the protection schemes in consumer drives that actually cause them to fail in a server environment.

but before getting into that let's look at the BB business model:

In short, by its own admission, Backblaze employed consumer-class drives in a high-volume enterprise-class environment that far exceeded the warranty conditions of the HDDs. Backblaze installed consumer drives into a number of revisions of its own internally developed chassis, many of which utilized a rubber band to "reduce the vibration" of a vertically mounted HDD.... a heavy HDD is mounted vertically on top of a thin multiplexer PCB. The SATA connectors are bearing the full weight of the drive, and factoring the vibration of a normal HDD into the non-supported equation creates the almost perfect recipe for device failure.

The Backblaze environment employed more drives per chassis and featured much heavier workloads (both of which accelerate failure rates tremendously) than the vendors designed the client-class HDDs for. This ultimately helped Backblaze save money on their infrastructure. The Seagate 3 TB models failed at a higher rate than other drives during the Backblaze deployment, but in fairness, the Seagate drives were the only models that did not feature RV (Rotational Vibration) sensors that counteract excessive vibration in heavy usage models -- specifically because Seagate did not design the drives for that use case.

A server environment dictates thick concrete floors and structural sound rack systems. For that reason, there is no need to include rotational vibration sensors in server drives. Mounting drives vertically on a case laid on its side on a table and holding them in place with rubberbands ... it's as if they designed the environment on a whim saying "lets see how fast we can make a drive fail".

More importantly perhaps, consumer drives are designed with a feature called "head parking" ... when not spinning, the arm is 'parked" away from the platter so that when the copy paper delivery guy bumps ya desk with his hand truck or ya pet lab sleeping under ya desk jumps up when the UPS man knocks on the door, the hed doesn't crash into the patters causing damage. Consumer drives are rated for 250k - 500k parking cycles ... way more than the typoicl consuer drives ever experience cause of low I/O. OTOH, server drives they are all about I.O and they can burn through those cycles in a matter of months ... server drives do not come equipped with that feature because server farms do not have cases laying sideways on a desk and held in with rubberbands. This is why you don't use server drives on a desktop and you don't use consumer drives in a server farm

If you are using server drives on a desktop ... no they are not more durable, far from it ... they have no built in protection.

Real world failure rate / RMA data was published for HDs every 6 months by the french site behardware. They stopped doing so, dunno why ... can't read french) But the data is in numbers


Period Ending
HGST
Seagate
Toshiba
Western
2017-08-01​
0.82%​
0.93%​
1.06%​
1.26%​
2016-12-09​
1.13%​
0.72%​
0.80%​
1.04%​
2016-05-13​
0.60%​
0.69%​
1.15%​
1.03%​
2015-11-09​
0.81%​
0.60%​
0.96%​
0.90%​
2015-05-19​
1.16%​
0.68%​
1.34%​
1.09%​
2014-11-06​
1.01%​
0.69%​
1.29%​
0.93%​
2013-04-30​
1.08%​
0.86%​
1.02%​
1.13%​
2013-10-30​
1.16%​
0.95%​
1.54%​
1.19%​
2013-05-10​
2.40%​
1.44%​
1.15%​
1.55%​
3.45%​
1.65%​
NA​
1.44%​
Average
1.36%
0.92%
1.15%
1.16%
So that's it, the real data based upon actual HDs replaced under warranty that were between 6 and 12 months of usage. Each report listed the data for the current 6 month period as well as the previous 6 month period. So what can we glean from this information.


1. This is real data from consumer drives installed in a consumer environment.
2. Fanbois may wanna beat their chests if they like the numbers for 'their brand", but what is shows me is that out of each 1,000 drives ... the guy with the best number delivered 991 good drives ... the guy with the worst number delivered 986 good ones... that's pretty damn close.
3. Failure rates were pretty consistent for the last 4 years of the data set.

It must be noted that drive models rather than brands had significant variation. Some models had failure rates as high as 10% ... some were under 0.50 %

As to which HD to buy ....

1. Pick the drive appropriate for your usage.

-Use NAS drives in NAS devices
-Use consumer drives in desktops
-Use Green drives if you have 100's of drives and energy is important to you. There is nothing else of value here and they have significantly slower performance (5400 rpm)
-Use server drives in server farms ... no server drives are not tougher, they are missing important desktop features like head parking
-Use surveillance drives in surveillance applications

2. Check the warranty ... be aware that often the same drive is sold under different model numbers... a drive with a 2 yeat warranty for $55 ... may be the same drive as the 3 year warranty model that sells for $67. We only buy models with 5 year warrantees.... the cost difference is minimal ... it's not the 'free replacement, it's the T & E replacing the drive that matters.

3. Consider not buying a HD. In THGs testing, the Seagate 2 TB SSD was 1.54 times faster in gaming than the WD Black ... 2.5 times faster than the WD Blue*. We haven't puchased a HD in about 8 years. Have about 100 SSHDs installed over that period and no reported failures. I have about a dozen here, 4 of which are > 5 years old.

For comparison purposes:

WD Black WD2003FZEX = 2 TB / 5 year warranty / 0.45% failure rate / 100% relative gaming performance / $105 on newegg
Seagate Desktop SSHD ST2000DX001 = 2 TB 5 year warranty / 0.43% failure rate / 154% relative gaming performance / $885 on newegg
 
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I use Seagate and I have not had problems, mid you I use uppity power supplies so the regulators are not trashed by noise etc/

I have run some disks towards 50,000 operating hours and they still work. but I tend to retire them when larger capacity disks are available
 
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Ive been on WDBlack drives exclusively since.. well early 2000's not sure exactly. I replaced 2 1tb ones from 08 and 09 last year that had no problems with a single 4tb wdblack that i've using since.
Call it bad luck if you want but before going all WD I had every single other brand drive fail within 2 to 3 years. I do not trust their green/blue stuff however (work related). I've seen a sea of failed such drives on corporate Dell/Lenovo PC's.
 

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Seeing a lot of HGST 2.5" 1TB drives fail. Other than that, everything else has been reliable.
 
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Have 2 WD Green drives for storage. 640GB and 64mb cache. I've had them for a while now and about full, mainly family pictures and only one is in a case, the other is wrapped for safe keeping.
Great drives, never had an issue, low power and nice sized cache.

Do you guys recommend I stick with the green series for this purpose? I'd like to increase the storage size some time this year for future memories.
 

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If they're used for archival purposes, yes, WD Green and 5400 RPM Seagate drives are fine (Seagate apparently doesn't have low power branding).
 
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