MSI GeForce GTX 1060 Gaming X 6 GB

Fluffmeister · Jul 19, 2016

Woah, these cards are great, better than I thought.

I can see why team red is in maximum damage control!

Sempron Guy · Jul 19, 2016

the game has just begun

what's +19% of a 480 again? and that's just on 1330mhz (constant) boost

Tatty_Two · Jul 19, 2016

Not sure why anyone is talking about a launch retail price, in my experience in the UK at least, they rarely if ever reflect what the price will settle at a couple of months after launch, retailers see the interest as an opportunity to milk the consumer, prices settle, why not make the cost difference comparisons then, at which time there maybe some more mature drivers to try too so some might stop clutching at straws because one card betters the other in most games, in drivers alone I have seen 15-20% performance improvements on a card over about 2 or 3 driver releases in the past, that of course could easily apply to the 1060 and/or the 480.

john_ · Jul 19, 2016

Legacy-ZA said:
Great card, really. AMD, I hate to say it, but you have to step up your game.

They did. They offered great value in $200-$250 price point. Thanks to that Nvidia had to rush GTX 1060 1-2 months earlier into the market.

What more does someone need from AMD? 50% extra performance at %50 lower price, with double the memory and half the power consumption?

MxPhenom 216 · Jul 19, 2016

Jesus my 780 looks slow after this. God i need an upgrade. Next month needs to come sooner!

mrthanhnguyen · Jul 19, 2016

Sempron Guy said:
the game has just begun

what's +19% of a 480 again? and that's just on 1330mhz (constant) boost

Why only 2 games? RX480 is faster than gtx 1060 in only 3 or 4 games? How many games we have on the market now? 10 games?

the54thvoid · Jul 19, 2016

Tatty_One said:
Not sure why anyone is talking about a launch retail price, in my experience in the UK at least, they rarely if ever reflect what the price will settle at a couple of months after launch, retailers see the interest as an opportunity to milk the consumer, prices settle, why not make the cost difference comparisons then, at which time there maybe some more mature drivers to try too so some might stop clutching at straws because one card betters the other in most games, in drivers alone I have seen 15-20% performance improvements on a card over about 2 or 3 driver releases in the past, that of course could easily apply to the 1060 and/or the 480.

Stop speaking sense you old codger. People don't want sense - they want sensationalism!

I'm just happy we have a middle ground with both brands and with the custom cards, everyone in that price bracket has an excellent choice. Everyone can stop complaining. Except those at the high end because AMD's absence up there is wallet sapping.

Crap Daddy · Jul 19, 2016

Did AMD sold many 480 custom or any yet, because from now on things will get nasty. Actually I expected a higher price for the 1060, (I don't take into acount the FE) a better card on every metric compared to the 480 but it's clear Nvidia does not want to leave any breathing space for the red team. This MSI is a bit expensive but there are already custom cards available at $250, 10 $ more than the 480 reference. Actually this card is shaping up to be the best deal in a long while from any point of view.

rtwjunkie · Jul 19, 2016

john_ said:
They did. They offered great value in $200-$250 price point. Thanks to that Nvidia had to rush GTX 1060 1-2 months earlier into the market.

What more does someone need from AMD? 50% extra performance at %50 lower price, with double the memory and half the power consumption?

Really, no one can complain or point fingers. Both sides middle bracket of cards are more than enough performance for awhile. It's almost overkill in this segment, performance-wise.

rruff · Jul 19, 2016

silkstone said:
Are you accounting for when the monitors go to sleep?

Does the idle power drop when that happens?

And hell, if you use a projector to watch movies, you have other power concerns, surely?

Yes, I do have other power concerns for sure. I always factor in utility cost when I buy stuff though. Maybe I'm overestimating the difference in cards particularly if the power drops even lower when the monitor sleeps, but it isn't as simple as it is with some appliances. Note that the figures in the test are at the card, and you need to add in PSU efficiency, which won't be that good when it's drawing ~50W from the wall.

Tatty_One said:
Not sure why anyone is talking about a launch retail price, in my experience in the UK at least, they rarely if ever reflect what the price will settle at a couple of months after launch.

I agree, it's irrelevant. Performance and perceived value will set the real prices. And when the late Nov deals (in the US) come in you'll be able to get either for well under $200.

What this indicates to me is that Nvidia is pretty aggressive about retaining their market share dominance. AMDs margins are surely smaller on the 480 already and they will need to squeeze them tighter still. The competition is great for consumers.

One thing I'm curious about is if Nvidia is going to launch a competitor to the 460 anytime soon, or will the 750 Ti and 950 be it? I haven't heard any rumors about it. Nvidia will have powerful Pascal gaming notebook cards, but nothing below the 1060/(50?) desktop level. Low end gaming and laptops might actually be AMD's niche for awhile.

dj-electric · Jul 19, 2016

I like when things are practical

this is not practical. This is higher for no good reason. EVGA shows how easy it is to cool a GTX 1060 and stay small.
MSI should've at least go with a normal height PCB if they make it longer.

I get it, this size is being used to make GTX 1070s with full components, but this just hurts.

birdie · Jul 19, 2016

It's amazing that people in NVIDIA's sub Reddit are actually quite decent, don't throw sh*t at AMD and actually praise AMD for creating viable competition in the GPU market.

Now go visit WCCFTech or AMD's sub Reddit and realize what nasty creatures are AMD fans.

dj-electric · Jul 19, 2016

Fanboy wars online on GPUs have been around since 3DFX days.
Its best to ignore and move on.

overlord · Jul 19, 2016

Fluffmeister said:
Woah, these cards are great, better than I thought.

I can see why team red is in maximum damage control!

Lol http://m.hardocp.com/article/2016/0..._1060_founders_edition_review/10#.V46ZtMvTXqB

dj-electric · Jul 19, 2016

FE GTX 1060 shouldn't even be concidered, as it is purely and quite literally overpriced.
Why would anyone get one, when he can pay 250$ and get a better card.

deemon · Jul 19, 2016

birdie said:
I wonder how on Earth WCCFTech AMD cancer spreads everywhere. Could God please limit it to WCCFTech? Currently there are barely two native DX12 titles (AoS is more a tech demo than a game), why the #### are you hellbent on seeing them here?

Yes. Tech demo of the DX12 true potential in RTS games, whatever they may be... millions of AI controlled critters roaming around.

birdie said:
Secondly, "if your GPU supports OpenGL and Vulkan you must run Vulkan" - why must?? if NVIDIA's OpenGL implementation in this game is miles better than AMD's, so only AMD chips gain substantially from using Vulkan which was modeled after Mantle which was created after the GCN architecture.

Because Vulkan works better! On all platforms, not just AMD.

birdie said:
Do you know any other graphics API which was modeled after NVIDIA's previous GPU archs? You don't? So, why is all this madness with async compute/Vulkan/DX12 going on unabated on WCCFTech/Overclockers.uk/etc. etc. etc.?

HairWorks. PhysX. Some mad tessallation bullshit in different games...and don't even start with G-Sync bullshit. I mean it's fine to have it, but denying your customers the ability to use VESA standardized FreeSync just because ... you have your own propritery bullshit is just BAD for consumers. It's like nvidia decided it will not use HDMI or DP but some some NVIDIA-port from now on and you can only use displays with NVIDIA-port with NVIDIA GPU-s ... come on

birdie said:
You should understand that most game developers develop games with the most popular GPUs in mind - at the moment it seems like you must be mad to ignore millions of GTX860/970, soon to be followed by GTX1060/1070.

Welcome to the console world. 100% of current gen and also current gen refresh (Scorpio and Neo) consoles are AMD (same GCN stuff we have on PC)... wise developers develope game once. It is wiser right now to optimize your game for AMD if you plan any console launch also for it. Also wise developers develope in Vulkan, because reasons... any platform (win, linux/android, console, apple), any GPU (also including the mobile GPU's like Apple and Qualcomm and ARM stuff).

birdie · Jul 19, 2016

deemon said:
Yes. Tech demo of the DX12 true potential in RTS games, whatever they may be... millions of AI controlled critters roaming around.

Clearly you know nil about DX12 and async compute. Perhaps you even think that async compute and async shaders are the same thing. And maybe you think DX12 is used to calculate AI. In short, you're clueless.

deemon said:
HairWorks. PhysX. Some mad tessallation bullshit in different games...

HairWorks doesn't underlie any GPU standard - it just uses a lot of tesselation which worked better on Maxwell/Kepler than on competing at the time AMD GPUs so NVIDIA was falsely accused of rigging the results. Somehow when AMD cooperates with game developers it's called "new tech at which NVIDIA sucks". Tesselation in the RX 480 works much better, the card shows comparable results even with HairWorks turned on and no one rings a bell anymore. Strange, isn't it. PhysX is used in few and between games which are not even present in this review. Go back to WCCFTech - you'll find literally thousands of likeminded people there.

deemon said:
Because Vulkan works better! On all platforms, not just AMD.

Vulkan is an API. It cannot work better. Hardware might be designed better. Besides, how do you know it works better? Code a single triangle demo in OpenGL and Vulkan - both will show the same 100K FPS. So what?

deemon said:
Welcome to the console world. 100% of current gen and also current gen refresh (Scorpio and Neo) consoles are AMD (same GCN stuff we have on PC)... wise developers develope game once.

AMD fans always believe in future drivers optimizations, future technologies, future this and that. In time, when the said things get implemented on a wide scale, it turns out that the current gen GPUs are simply not capable and you need new hardware to take advantage of new features.

Could you please stop trolling, spamming and flaming and discuss the article instead? You can discuss the advantages of your RX 480/Fury (X) at WCCFTech or AMD's subReddit.

Now, back to the article: I'm a little disappointed with the GTX 1060. Theoretically it must be at least 1708MHz/1178MHz*4.4t/2.94 = 2.16 times faster than the GTX 960 but it's not. This is a very superficial comparison, but still it looks like the Pascal architecture is not much different than the Maswell arch.

john_ · Jul 19, 2016

birdie said:
It's amazing that people in NVIDIA's sub Reddit are actually quite decent, don't throw sh*t at AMD and actually praise AMD for creating viable competition in the GPU market.

Now go visit WCCFTech or AMD's sub Reddit and realize what nasty creatures are AMD fans.

When you are sitting on a 75% market share and you feel that the company you prefer is having the upper hand, it's completely logical to be more calm in your posting and your reactions. Let the others shouting, smile and ignore them. If things where changing, the reaction you see would completely turn the other way around.

The same happens with team fans, voters of political parties etc. where those supporting the smaller team ending always in the 2nd place or those supporting the political party that haven't seen an election win for many years, will usually have a more strong reaction.

It's just human and it is completely wrong to imply or even just think that a piece of hardware is enough to differentiate people in categories, one of them being "nasty creatures".

birdie · Jul 20, 2016

Nasty 'cause you have to be missing something inside your skull to even associate yourself with some imaginary entity like a graphics company. People naively believe that if you're an AMD/NVIDIA fan, you automatically become a better creature. What a load of nonsense.

I've had both NVIDIA and AMD cards (always based on price/performance/acoustics and almost nothing else) under the hood and I've never vouched for any company or reviled the other. It's extremely stupid and mean.

I'm a fan of progress and technology. I don't give a damn who stands behind them as long as they are there. I equally commend NVIDIA and AMD, and I root for AMD even more ('cause it's an underdog), but I have the decency to admit that currently Pascal has turned out to be a better product in general than Polaris from any point of view (aside from maybe three to four games in total where AMD shines).

I've just noticed that some AMD redditors are sane people. That's nice.

mastrdrver · Jul 20, 2016

As for the last sentence in the conclusion, I think it doesn't put @Wizzard in good light to say that. I do disagree with him on that last sentence, but I think it does more harm to the article than it helps, but that's my opinion. I'm concerned that some will latch onto that last part as "proof" that Wiz is a nVidia shill. I think it would bring a darkness to his reviews that are unneeded.

Caring1 said:
I agree with the part I have quoted, as for the 4Gb version of the RX480, i believe it is no longer available so it would be pointless including it in charts.

Except there are 3 listings on Newegg. Sure they're out of stock but so are the 8GB models too (in the US as of this post).

ViperXTR · Jul 20, 2016

john_ said:
Well, Doom numbers are fun

Huh, didn't know Doom can go beyond the 200FPS cap, is that Vulkan only unlock?

Fluffmeister · Jul 20, 2016

ViperXTR said:
Huh, didn't know Doom can go beyond the 200FPS cap, is that Vulkan only unlock?

It's a good question, but apparently HardOCP is considered a very very friendly site to Nvidia, so those numbers are very fun indeed.

I guess equally arguing that those numbers are an unplayable mess for those meanies at Nv is hard too, overall.... good bless Kyle or Vulkan or something.

N3M3515 · Jul 20, 2016

Caring1 said:
I agree with the part I have quoted, as for the 4Gb version of the RX480, i believe it is no longer available so it would be pointless including it in charts.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/gigabyte-adds-radeon-rx-480-g1-gaming-graphics-cards.html

GhostRyder · Jul 20, 2016

john_ said:
GTX 1060 doesn't have SLI because

1) Nvidia doesn't want to see GTX 1080 sales dropping with people choosing two 1060 for much less
2) If it doesn't have enough GPUs from TSMC Nvidia does have one more reason to limit, in a way, 1060 cards to 1 per person.

About that cancer thing. In a forum you will also read opinions you don't like. The alternative is the forum at geforce.com I guess.

About APIs. When Nvidia was first with DX10 GPUs no one was saying that this was unfair to ATI. Everyone was saying that ATI was late. If Nvidia is late in supporting some DX12 features, it's not unfair to comment about it. And when you have two APIs and the one is more modern and performs better you choose it. If you have two parallel roads, one dirt road and one asphalt road, you will go from the asphalt road. Yes Nvidia cards are like 4x4 and can run on dirt road as fast as on the asphalt road, still the logic says to take the asphalt road.

The madness about async and newer APIs is that they offer better performance and it's also about moving forward. And based on Steam survey people DO move forward.
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You are wrong in your last part of your post. You don't buy a card to just play games today. People don't usually change their graphics cards every 6 months. That's why in those last years we are keep reading again and again about how the PC market is shrinking. So before INVESTING $200-$800, you should also consider how much time your investment will be returning it's value to you.

And the most popular GPUs right now are the Intel iGPUs.

Anyway, no reason to start a debate. Let's just say that we disagree if you think that I am wrong.

Whats this...Logic??? Yea the new API's are something we really need to have more focus on because they are starting to come into play. Doubt they will be anything big before next year but its worth mentioning especially since more AAA games are coming with them implemented.

birdie said:
It's amazing that people in NVIDIA's sub Reddit are actually quite decent, don't throw sh*t at AMD and actually praise AMD for creating viable competition in the GPU market.

Now go visit WCCFTech or AMD's sub Reddit and realize what nasty creatures are AMD fans.

Uhh, hate to be the bearer of bad news but they both are just as bad. Heck just read the GTX 1060's and the RX 480 threads alone on this forum just to see that there is no one side of people form either doing all the problems. There is no such thing as one side causing more issues than the other.

john_ said:
They did. They offered great value in $200-$250 price point. Thanks to that Nvidia had to rush GTX 1060 1-2 months earlier into the market.

What more does someone need from AMD? 50% extra performance at %50 lower price, with double the memory and half the power consumption?

It could cure cancer, you would still get the same reactions from people LOL.

Fact is they both have their pros and cons. There are more cons on the AMD side but it comes in at a much cheaper base price. The Nvidia card has much better overclocking and better stock performance but you end up paying more for it. Its up to you how you spend your money so vote either way with your wallets and buy what makes you happy. If you have to spend your time putting others down for what they spend their money on than you have issues.

Caring1 · Jul 20, 2016

N3M3515 said:
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/gigabyte-adds-radeon-rx-480-g1-gaming-graphics-cards.html

And i'm sure they will sell well in AMERICA, which apparently is the centre of the world and only place that matters.

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Mouse	Logitech G5
Keyboard	Logitech G19S
Software	Windows 11 Pro / Windows Server 2016

System Name	H7 Flow 2024
Processor	AMD 5800X3D
Motherboard	Asus X570 Tough Gaming
Cooling	Custom liquid
Memory	32 GB DDR4
Video Card(s)	Intel ARC A750
Storage	Crucial P5 Plus 2TB.
Display(s)	AOC 24" Freesync 1m.s. 75Hz
Mouse	Lenovo
Keyboard	Eweadn Mechanical
Software	W11 Pro 64 bit