MSI GeForce GTX 1650 Gaming X 4 GB

[ThomasK]

"Radeon RX 570 is considerably faster" - All I needed to know.

 

[Deleted member 67555]

At the end it says the RX570 doesn't overclock that well...
Is that because it's locked at 1425mhz core?
I think 175mhz is more than "not that well".

Anyways I don't think it matters that this card isn't as fast as an RX570 since most of these will work on any machine that can fit it without any extra purchases which is the only reason Nvidia can charge what they are for this.

I paid $300 for higher end card in 2013 that required a 6pin an 8 pin power connection that was basically only as good as this card..
7 years later at 50% the cost and 4x as efficient seems to be mehhhh...mehhh well okay...price

 

[sutyi]

At the end it says the RX570 doesn't overclock that well...
Is that because it's locked at 1425mhz core?
I think 175mhz is more than "not that well".

Anyways I don't think it matters that this card isn't as fast as an RX570 since most of these will work on any machine that can fit it without any extra purchases which is the only reason Nvidia can charge what they are for this.

I paid $300 for higher end card in 2013 that required a 6pin an 8 pin power connection that was basically only as good as this card..
7 years later at 50% the cost and 4x as efficient seems to be mehhhh...mehhh well okay...price

Well... to be honest any of the relatively current architectures don't clock all that well. Their boost algorithm does most of the job already and usually they are artificially power limited anyway...

Pascal or Turing might do +200MHz over advertised boost clock, but its still 10-15% more. The days of modding your 9500 and 9500Pro-s to 9700s are long gone mah dude.

 

[Aldain]

What an utter piece of shat gpu..

and why the hell does this site not re-test all the cards with proper up to date drivers.. what is the point of the TPU database when it is obsolete??

 

[advanced3]

That's not the point and you know It.
You were saying how this card has a mediocre performance and poor value compared to RX570, I just pointed out a big disadvantage of RX570.

Some of you people are hilarious. You care how much you need to pay for a card or If It has the bet perf/price ratio but you totally don't care about how much more you need to pay on bills just to play games on this card.

If you're really worried about the cost of running a GPU over a couple of years, and its only $45....which is $.04 a day, you might be in the wrong hobby.

People who buy exotic cares don't worry about how expensive the gasoline is.

 

[W1zzard]

why the hell does this site not re-test all the cards with proper up to date drivers

i'll be ready to retest in the coming weeks, with a ton of new games, 9900k etc. the problem is that these things take time (around two weeks of non-stop work), and i can't tell nvidia "hey, hold your launch until i'm finished retesting".

the differences between drivers are almost negligible, as has been tested countless of times by many publications

 

[danbert2000]

i'll be ready to retest in the coming weeks, with a ton of new games, 9900k etc. the problem is that these things take time (around two weeks of non-stop work), and i can't tell nvidia "hey, hold your launch until i'm finished retesting".

the differences between drivers are almost negligible, as has been tested countless of times by many publications

Does your new test regime include DX12 Civilization 6? Ever since Gathering Storm expansion released, it seems to be the fastest API.

 

[W1zzard]

Does your new test regime include DX12 Civilization 6? Ever since Gathering Storm expansion released, it seems to be the fastest API.

Yes

 

[rruff]

If you're really worried about the cost of running a GPU over a couple of years, and its only $45....which is $.04 a day, you might be in the wrong hobby.
People who buy exotic cares don't worry about how expensive the gasoline is.

The 570 and 1650 are "exotic cars"?! It's more like a Jetta vs a Prius.

Nvidia will sell a ton of these to fit into bargain department store boxes. And laptops.

 

[HenrySomeone]

If you're really worried about the cost of running a GPU over a couple of years, and its only $45....which is $.04 a day, you might be in the wrong hobby.

People who buy exotic cares don't worry about how expensive the gasoline is.

Not in the 150$ range... I mean yeah, many people don't consider the difference in electric bills, but they should, especially if they game quite a bit, besides, fully OCed 1650 beats the 570 and if you also OC that one, the already unreasonable power consumption (and thats compared to the Pascal cards) goes through roof!

 

[Deleted member 158293]

570 holding up well... Still!

 

[HossHuge]

Glad I didn't wait for this card.

 

[steen]

No wonder nvidia had the drivers nonsense with reviewers, mediocre performance and poor value in comparison to a RX 570.

It's fairly obvious they needed to control first impressions reviews. They got bumped from driverless cars so switched to driverless cards.

 

[Nima]

A little bit expensive for the performance. this GPU is choked by it's narrow memory bandwidth. they should have used GDDR6 on this GPU.

My point being it doesn't make a significant impact on your bill, and there's something called undervolting which works best on vega but it's worth a shot on the RX 570 even which will drop power consumption a bit and it still kills the 1650 in performance.

I always hear this nonsense that "you can undervolt AMD cards" as if only AMD cards can do this. undervolting works on all cards including Nvidia. there is a thing called Power limit on every Nvidia card that works just like undervolting on AMD cards. Nvidia cards undervolt automatically to reach the specified power limit. my GTX1080 with overcolck on both core and memory and limiting power to 120 watts is almost as fast as stock clocked GTX1080 at 180 watts!!! and I'm pretty sure undervolting works just as good on GTX1650 too.

 

[steen]

A little bit expensive for the performance. this GPU is choked by it's narrow memory bandwidth. they should have used GDDR6 on this GPU.

MSRP would've been even higher.

I always hear this nonsense that "you can undervolt AMD cards" as if only AMD cards can do this. undervolting works on all cards including Nvidia.

The effect is greater the higher up the frequency/power curve you are. AMD's older uarch has higher power draw given respective process node/target perf levels. NV buttons down power limits even more with Turing.

 

[londiste]

@W1zzard do you have a reference/75W card without 6-pin connector to review?
There is Palit StormX in some of the tables, is that going to get a separate review?

 

[notb]

I know the reason for the six pin connector is if you want to OC the card but I thought the whole point of these GTX 1650s was for people who just want to stick one into their DELL, ACER, HP, etc., and not worry about swapping out a higher power PSU.

Most 1650 will not have a 6-pin.
This MSI (much like other reviewed card from ASUS) are top models for this GPU - with factory OC and some headroom for you. Their predecessors (both 1050 and 1050Ti) also had a 6-pin despite 75W TDP.

Really? If you're that worried about the power consumption I hope you're using expensive TV's and Fridges that are energy efficient too.

It's not about peak power usage of the household (although I know people who worry about it as well because of solar power or tariffs).
It's about pure cost of a card.
At some point (hours of GPU usage) the cost of extra power used will consume the initial price difference. It's not that hard to calculate as well.
Keep in mind power prices really vary around the globe. In many developed countries it's 50-100% more expensive than in US.

And if the final cost is the same, GTX gets you less noise and heat.
Extra 100W can really impact room temperature and it gets noticeable in summer.

My point being it doesn't make a significant impact on your bill, and there's something called undervolting which works best on vega but it's worth a shot on the RX 570 even which will drop power consumption a bit and it still kills the 1650 in performance.

1650 is a mainstream consumer card. You can't expect these people to undervolt.
And if we're talking about OEM/SI desktops, you may not be allowed to.

 

[W1zzard]

do you have a reference/75W card without 6-pin connector to review?

I do not

There is Palit StormX in some of the tables, is that going to get a separate review?

yup, coming within the next few hours, it's still overclocked out of the box, with 75 W power limit, so not exactly reference either

 

[CheapMeat]

I know the reason for the six pin connector is if you want to OC the card but I thought the whole point of these GTX 1650s was for people who just want to stick one into their DELL, ACER, HP, etc., and not worry about swapping out a higher power PSU.

It gives you the opportunity to take your GPU with you when you swap out the case or to another system and boost it a little bit. Or some people have lower wattage budget total because of their OEM PSU, and OCing the card lets them stay within the power budget unlike another card. The option is great for some people because it gives you room to grow with the card without needing right away a more expensive one. Just my opinion.

 

[kings]

The card itself is fine, 35% faster than 1050Ti in 1080p, the thing that ruins it is the price! Way too high for this performance level

 

[notb]

The card itself is fine, 35% faster than 1050Ti in 1080p, the thing that ruins it is the price! Way too high for this performance level

Yup. Very much the expected outcome. 30% more than the predecessor. Typical for Nvidia.
The card is great, but for me it's just way too long. I'm looking forward to Ventus tests.

That said, I just can't find a reason to buy a GPU without tensor cores in 2019 (since I'm doing way more GPGPU prototyping than gaming). But if my 1050 dies and I can't afford a 2060, this will be a very nice option (and also double the fps for occasional gaming... why not... ;-))

 

[R0H1T]

What's the pont of advertising 75W "no power connector" needed when nearly every card released thus far needs it

 

[londiste]

What's the pont of advertising 75W "no power connector" needed when nearly every card released thus far needs it

Reviewers are getting the fastest versions of the cards. This is similar to the 1050Ti, where AIB cards could be up to 120W (although few had TDP set that high).
There will definitely be cards available with 75W TDP and no power connector.

 

[R0H1T]

I get that but Nvidia is selling this as a feature, isn't it? This card is similar to the GTX 950 LP, not really a successor of the 750Ti lineage.

 

[londiste]

I get that but Nvidia is selling this as a feature, isn't it? This card is similar to the GTX 950 LP, not really a successor of the 750Ti lineage.

I would say the opposite. GTX 950 was not really the GTX 750Ti lineage with the primary TDP being set to 90W and some LP variants at 75W. Looks like GTX 750Ti's real successor was GTX 1050Ti and now GTX 1650. The difference is in where the primary TDP is placed. In case of GTX 750Ti, GTX 1050Ti and GTX 1650, it is 75W. All do have more hungry variants but this is where the primary one is located at. GTX 950 was different - the primary TDP is 90W with 75W LP as secondary option.

While almost all of us in the forums consider performance per $/€/£ the most important metric it is not the only one and not primary for everyone. 75W TDP with the implication that it can work on PCI-e slot power and has no need for 6-pin power cable is an important optimization point and indeed a feature for sales. Trying to get office machines, especially brand machines with weak or proprietary PSUs to get basic gaming worthy does bring in a lot of sales. Not to mention OEMs who love the same thing for mostly the same reasons. Low-profile cards are bound to follow and while small it is a curious niche.

GTX 1650 will be a strong player in laptops as well.

Edit:
I am sure the cards that actually are 75W will lose more to RX 570, guesstimate would be 15-20%. This will put the 75W GTX 1650 right in the middle of GTX 1050Ti and RX 570 in terms of performance. The problem is, when you look at 75W cards, GTX 1650 is going to compete with GTX 1050Ti - 120€ in Europe at the moment - while being 7% more expensive and offering 20% more performance. This is the primary competitor in this defined space. Next closest cards are GTX 1050 and RX 560 that are about equal at 20% lower performance. Both are selling at around 100€.