MSI GeForce RTX 3050 Gaming X

[Cutechri]

ergo a classic case of the there's no bad products, only bad pricing

 

[Selaya]

you just skipped over the part where i explained why this is a case where said phrase is applicable.

congratulations.

 

[Cutechri]

Haven't skipped over that, simply disagree

 

[thelawnet]

OMG I think you're suffering from a mental derangement. I guess what you BELIEVE is more important than reality.

You were right.

These utter clowns today put out a video in which they purported to show how terrible the 6500XT is by pairing it with, a, uh, 5600G, which is the only current CPU with PCIE 3.0

Because of course you spend more $$$ on less performance for an APU you know will slow down the GPU you just bought that only works well on PCIE 4.0.

Lol...

The stated argument for this disingenuous choice of CPU was that the 5600G has 'hardware encoding'. And you know, like the i5-12400 is $25 cheaper and is faster and also has hardware encoding, and won't slow down your GPU for no reason whatsoever, but um, yeah, just trust us we're the expert tech tubers, not just making clickbait BS.

Absolutely pathetic.

And then all the clowns in the comments were like 'omigod it lost to the 5500 XT in every test'. Well no shit, try running the 5500 XT at PCIE 3.0 x 4 for no reason whatsoever and see how it compares.

So the argument they give is then 'buy a used RX 570 4GB for $188', because somehow a used card which was 17.5% slower, even with the 'deliberately crippled 6500XT build', is better than a brand new one for $230.

 

[TokyoQuaSaR]

Lots of people still have the Vega64. Don't be so narrow minded.

Ok ok I was kinda joking but I mean, there are even more people that still have a GTX 1080 (like at least 10 times more but whatever...), why not include it in the comparison ?

PS: Actually the Vega64 is not even displayed in the Steam Hardware Survey :

Steam Hardware & Software Survey

store.steampowered.com

On the other hand the 1080 is the 18th most used GPU, it's decreasing a lot but it's still 1.37% (which isn't low considering the most used card, which is still the 1060, has 7.54% share). The lowest displayed card has 0.15% so I am probably right saying the number of Vega64 is 1/10th that of the 1080...

 

[lexluthermiester]

PS: Actually the Vega64 is not even displayed in the Steam Hardware Survey :

While true, most owners of Vega64 are doing more than just gaming with that card. And while the steam survey can be useful, it is by no means an "end-all-be-all" indicator.

 

[Ripcord]

These utter clowns today put out a video in which they purported to show how terrible the 6500XT is by pairing it with, a, uh, 5600G, which is the only current CPU with PCIE 3.0

Because of course you spend more $$$ on less performance for an APU you know will slow down the GPU you just bought that only works well on PCIE 4.0.

Lol...

The stated argument for this disingenuous choice of CPU was that the 5600G has 'hardware encoding'. And you know, like the i5-12400 is $25 cheaper and is faster and also has hardware encoding, and won't slow down your GPU for no reason whatsoever, but um, yeah, just trust us we're the expert tech tubers, not just making clickbait BS.

Absolutely pathetic.

And then all the clowns in the comments were like 'omigod it lost to the 5500 XT in every test'. Well no shit, try running the 5500 XT at PCIE 3.0 x 4 for no reason whatsoever and see how it compares.

So the argument they give is then 'buy a used RX 570 4GB for $188', because somehow a used card which was 17.5% slower, even with the 'deliberately crippled 6500XT build', is better than a brand new one for $230.

I watched it and wondered why did they switch the processor? then the first test the top 3 cards all have the exact same FPS and realised they deliberately CPU bound the cards to rig the test. Luckily YouTube has a bunch of people who bought the card and have posted videos of real world performance and it seems quite good; better than the review sites anyways.

I have a theory its Intel not Nvidia splashing the cash to put off people buying the 6500xt as they are about to release theirs, we will know for sure if Intel release a card that has similar performance at the same price point and the clowns at hardware unboxed wax lyrical about it.

 

[Cutechri]

Lmao @ these circus worthy comments shafting HW Unboxed, one of the only reliable tech channels on that site alongside GamersNexus. No other channel make higher quality reviews. LTT's reviews are a complete joke, and all the others seem to follow in their footsteps of low effort graphs. You still think they're biased for AMD, or biased for Intel, or whatever other company? Keep your fanboy dreams to yourself. They've appropriately shafted AMD, Nvidia, Intel, and any other company, when they deserve it.

6500 XT is a completely garbage product that shouldn't exist, no matter how you look at it. It should have been a mobile product, but AMD decided to slap it on a PCB and sell it as a desktop product while handicapping it to produce it cheap and sell it to the current hungry market for extra margins.

Did their video mocking TechPowerUp for thinking them having Nvidia boxes in their videos means Nvidia is sponsoring every video they make, struck a nerve of yours or what?

EITHER WAY, what does all of this have to do with the original 3050 review?

 

[Ripcord]

Lmao @ these circus worthy comments shafting HW Unboxed, one of the only reliable tech channels on that site alongside GamersNexus. No other channel make higher quality reviews. LTT's reviews are a complete joke, and all the others seem to follow in their footsteps of low effort graphs. You still think they're biased for AMD, or biased for Intel, or whatever other company? Keep your fanboy dreams to yourself. They've appropriately shafted AMD, Nvidia, Intel, and any other company, when they deserve it.

6500 XT is a completely garbage product that shouldn't exist, no matter how you look at it. It should have been a mobile product, but AMD decided to slap it on a PCB and sell it as a desktop product while handicapping it to produce it cheap and sell it to the current hungry market for extra margins.

Did their video mocking TechPowerUp for thinking them having Nvidia boxes in their videos means Nvidia is sponsoring every video they make, struck a nerve of yours or what?

EITHER WAY, what does all of this have to do with the original 3050 review?

Its a monster of a card, nothing else is available that comes close to its performance at the price. AMD have produced a fantastic product they have completely out manoeuvred Nvidia and Intel.

 

[thelawnet]

Lmao @ these circus worthy comments shafting HW Unboxed, one of the only reliable tech channels on that site alongside GamersNexus. No other channel make higher quality reviews. LTT's reviews are a complete joke, and all the others seem to follow in their footsteps of low effort graphs. You still think they're biased for AMD, or biased for Intel, or whatever other company? Keep your fanboy dreams to yourself. They've appropriately shafted AMD, Nvidia, Intel, and any other company, when they deserve it.

6500 XT is a completely garbage product that shouldn't exist, no matter how you look at it. It should have been a mobile product, but AMD decided to slap it on a PCB and sell it as a desktop product while handicapping it to produce it cheap and sell it to the current hungry market for extra margins.

Did their video mocking TechPowerUp for thinking them having Nvidia boxes in their videos means Nvidia is sponsoring every video they make, struck a nerve of yours or what?

Lol wot?

They make decent content, but they are in the social media business trying to drive clicks, controversy and views, and just because they might make good content doesn't mean they are immune from hyperbolic nonsense.

The 6500 XT is a great product in the sense that it exists and you can buy it for a somewhat affordable price. Clearly if the RTX 3050 was on sale for $150-$200 like normal, then the 6500 XT would be terrible, but that world doesn't exist because they are currently infinite monkeys (or people selling monkey JPEGs) buying 6/8GB GPUs for inflated prices to 'mine' on.

Therefore there is no question of what 'should have been a mobile product', there is the fact desktop silicon is mostly consumed by miners, so gamers need another source, and AMD should be congratulated for providing it.

 

[Thuban]

I don't like how triple slot cooler are now so common in even sub XX50 cards, i remember not too long ago buying dual fan cooling solution for such a card was considered a waste of money, and that was when they were only two slots lol

The TDP of modern cards have increased significantly since. The current xx50 line-up can no longer be fed exclusively off the PCI-E bus

 

[Chrispy_]

The TDP of modern cards have increased significantly since. The current xx50 line-up can no longer be fed exclusively off the PCI-E bus

There are 3050 and 3050Ti laptop chips (GA106) with TGPs of 35W, and 3060 laptop GPUs (GA104) with TGPs of 65W. So there is absolutely no reason why a 3050 could not be fed off a 75W PCIe slot alone, but manufacturers are choosing not to make them.

Admittedly, the 35W and 40W variants of GA106 in laptops are heavily downclocked as low as 1100MHz, but at the more common 60W TGP they typically boost close to 1700MHz which, although not desktop stock speeds of 1777, results in performance that's very similar, if not within margin of error.

 

[thelawnet]

There are 3050 and 3050Ti laptop chips (GA106) with TGPs of 35W, and 3060 laptop GPUs (GA104) with TGPs of 65W. So there is absolutely no reason why a 3050 could not be fed off a 75W PCIe slot alone, but manufacturers are choosing not to make them.

Admittedly, the 35W and 40W variants of GA106 in laptops are heavily downclocked as low as 1100MHz, but at the more common 60W TGP they typically boost close to 1700MHz which, although not desktop stock speeds of 1777, results in performance that's very similar, if not within margin of error.

the 50 series is supposed to be far from a 60 series and sold for around $129. the 3050 is stronger than usual relative to higher models because of the state of the gpu market. it would be crazy to limit it to 75W given that it was launched into a '60 type price point, or higher.

 

[Chrispy_]

the 50 series is supposed to be far from a 60 series and sold for around $129.

LOL, this isn't 2012.

The 650Ti launched at $149 a decade ago and that was widely reviewed as excellent performance/$ at the time, with factory overclocked models up to around $180 getting 'editor's choice' accolades or similar.

Even before ETH mining caused the first serious GPU shortage in 2017, the 900-series x50 representative was well above the $130 mark, with a GTX 950 typically selling for $175 and base models with that nasty plastic blower had an MSRP of $159...

 

[thelawnet]

LOL, this isn't 2012.

The 650Ti launched at $149 a decade ago and that was widely reviewed as excellent performance/$ at the time, with factory overclocked models up to around $180 getting 'editor's choice' accolades or similar.

Even before ETH mining caused the first serious GPU shortage in 2017, the 900-series x50 representative was well above the $130 mark, with a GTX 950 typically selling for $175 and base models with that nasty plastic blower had an MSRP of $159...

Yeah?

And the 1050 was $110 in 2016, and '50 Ti is not '50.

However you look at it, the 3050 was launched into a market where it was going to sell for hundreds of dollars and be far beyond the normal entry level where people might reasonably have some sort of potato of a PSU that can't cope with more than a dim light bulb's worth of power.

 

[lexluthermiester]

The current xx50 line-up can no longer be fed exclusively off the PCI-E bus

Nonsense. If the A2000 can run on slot power, the 3050 can too.

 

[Chrispy_]

Yeah?

And the 1050 was $110 in 2016, and '50 Ti is not '50.

However you look at it, the 3050 was launched into a market where it was going to sell for hundreds of dollars and be far beyond the normal entry level where people might reasonably have some sort of potato of a PSU that can't cope with more than a dim light bulb's worth of power.

Sure, the 1050 was cut down too much and it sucked donkey balls which is why it was less than half the price of the 1060.
At $110 it's clearly an anomaly, too - very evidently an exception to the norm and should be ejected from the dataset, if we're being pedantic/scientific about this.

$150 - GTS 250
$150 - GTS 450
$150 - GTX 550Ti (the vanilla 550 never existed, and the GT 545 was also $150)
$150 - GTX 650Ti (the vanilla 650 was different silicon altogether)
$150 - GTX 750Ti (the vanilla 750 was cut-down silicon)
$160 - GTX 950 (not dediciated x50 silicon, just die harvests from the GM206-powered 960)
$150 - GTX 1650

You're basically ignoring ALL of the following things if you expect an "around $129" x50 card:

1 - Inflation
2 - US-china trade tariffs introduced in 2019 that add 20%
3 - ETH mining
4 - COVID
5 - supply chain disruption