MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Suprim X

[basco]

taken from computerbase:

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition	1.348 g
Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF OC	1.387 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming X	1.557 g
Asus GeForce RTX 3090 Strix OC	1.810 g
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming OC	1.372 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming X Trio	1.569 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Suprim X	1.885 g

 

[bobmeix]

Sure, could, just not sure if it's worth it. I assume your underlying question is "will it sag?", and that's not really related to weight, but physical product design and length.

Actually it's not about the sagging.
That's my experience too, regarding sagging. It is mostly (inversely) correlated with card rigidity (backplate thickness, if there's a support frame, etc.). According to my observations it is also dependent on the quality of the bracket mounting slot of the case. If the bracket fits tightly, without wiggle, there is less of a chance for sagging.

You provide all these details + you do a teardown. The only thing that's missing is the weight of the card.
Some AIB manufacturers do not provide the weight in the spec sheet (MSI does, but Asus doesn't).
I would consider it helpful.

taken from computerbase:

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition	1.348 g
Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF OC	1.387 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming X	1.557 g
Asus GeForce RTX 3090 Strix OC	1.810 g
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming OC	1.372 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming X Trio	1.569 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Suprim X	1.885 g

I was not referring to this card in particular, which by the way is the 3090 on computerbase.
I meant it more generally.

 

[spnidel]

they won't admit RT is worth anything until AMD reaches performance parity.

RT is worth nothing until games provide more than 1-2 RT effects without cutting performance nearly in half.
as it is RT right now is as mature as tessellation was during the first two GPU generations supporting it - not mature at all.
it's a marketing gimmick atm just like tessellation was back then, nothing more.

 

[aMpeDuP]

Dang, this card look dope! Although I think I prefer ASUS RTX 3080 TUF OC that is on the way to me atm, since it was "cheap" when I ordered it within the first month from launch. The 200-300 USD price difference doesn't really show a lift in performance so I change my mind. ^^

 

[coco10]

will this be bigger than PowerColor RX 6800 XT Red Devil

 

[basco]

but ya could do the math from trio 3080 to suprim is 300gr+
and i don´t think the 3090 will come in over 2-kilogramm

and i forgot:
thanks Mr.wizzard for all your hard work on these reviews we all get used to for years.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Suprim ... i read suprim(e): delete in french ... nice name, interesting card performance, uninteresting msrp (which will be never seen where i live ...) not that i can afford or get any of the new releases

nice review nonetheless

 

[John Naylor]

Well, at 900 dollars it's clear the 700 MSRP is a lie.

It does not have an MSRP of $700 ... that's the reference model, this model is $899.99. The MSRP for the referenced MSI 3080 Gaming Trio is $759.99. No different than looking at the MSRP of the base model of an automobile and comparing it to the same model's various "Sport Editions" or other premium packages with bigger rims and tires, leather heated seats, trim options, larger engine, upgraded sound systems, pin striping, etc. Here ya get a fancy backplate w/ thermal pads 16+4 VRM package, improved cooling, Dual BIOS w/ switch, etc.

The thing is, the $140 cheaper MSRP MSI 3080 Gaming X Trio is faster.

Average fps at 1080 / 1440 / 2160

MSI 3080 Suprim X = 190 / 157 / 100 .... 251.6 in OC Test (259.0 w/ Gaming BIOS)
MSI 3080 Gaming X Trio = 193 / 160 / 102 ... .... 256.4 in OC Test (Not tested w/ Gaming BIOS)

MSI 3080 Suprim X = 78C w/ Load + OC / 29 dbA (34 dbA w/ Gaming BIOS @ 430 watts)
MSI 3080 Gaming X Trio = 77C w/ Load + OC / 32 dbA (34 dbA w/ Gaming BIOS )

Overclocked performance of TPU tested cards

MSI RTX 3080 Gaming X Trio Gaming BIOS Not Tested
MSI RTX 3080 Suprim X Gaming (430 watt) BIOS 259.0 FPS
Colorful RTX 3080 Vulcan OC Gaming (40 watt) BIOS 258.2 FPS
EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Gaming (450 watt) Gaming BIOS 258.1 FPS
EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Gaming (400 watt) Gaming BIOS 255.0 FPS

MSI RTX 3080 Gaming X Trio 256.4 FPS
EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 254.4 FPS
MSI RTX 3080 Suprim X 251.6 FPS
NVIDIA RTX 3080 Founders Edition 250.1 FPS
ASUS RTX 3080 TUF OC 249.5 FPS
Colorful RTX 3080 Vulcan OC 247.0 FPS
Palit RTX 3080 Gaming Pro OC 241.1 FPS
Zotac RTX 3080 Trinity 240.9 FPS

if it is just that...then again what's the point?

Same as anyone who drives a $130k or wears a $2k business suit .... because they can

Sub-30 dBA is admirable but ultimately pointless since this cannot be installed in a silent PC, relying heavily on case airflow to provide fresh air and remove exhausted air.

On our old test box, w/ 2 x 290 watts of GFX card loading, the original build had (5) pairs of 1200 rpm rad fans in push / pull and (6) case fans. Sitting in the chair w/ monitors of and running a stress test, you could not tell the system was running. When we changed out the coolant, the (5) pull fans were removed along with (1) case fan. In gaming, fan speed never breaks 550-600 rpm and the system remains completely inaudible. When working in AutoCAD, the system runs in passive mode, fans shut off when temps are < 40C. It helps that the PH-F140 SP fans top the performance charts at silentpcreview.com; tho not seen them tested head to head, the Silent Wings appear to provide comparable, perhaps better, performance.

Son's box has 9 fans w/ CPU cooled by a Swiftech all copper OLC type AIO. The only sound coming from that box was from the 1000 watt EVGA PSU which he bought cause it was cheaper than the 750 or 850 at the time. The PSU fan was the only thing that could be heard. That PSU failed and was replaced, but it had the same problem. He replaced it with an Seasonic 850 and fan rarely turns on now.

msi has been doing this for years, remember the gtx 960 gaming x?
the true problem is compatibility, lots of mid tower cases like define c or p300s, once the msi card is installed then cpu aio has to be mounted on top where the radiator would then very likely conflict with eps 8pin connectors and cables/ram slots/vrm heatsink. front mounting is not possible due to the super long msi gaming series card.

I have not found this to be any different than other premium cards ... to reduce sound to these levels, bigger heat sinks and larger / slower rpm fans will be required.... biggest cards I ever installed so far were from EVGA and Gigabyte.

Thanks for that Input and reality check. I often feel some People really don't know what / how DB actually works or what they think is loud …. yes, 1 DB more can be a massive difference, but it's also relative depending on where you start and which frequencies you look at. But especially with our gaming rigs and stuff it's a mood Point to go below a certain threshold. A

Actually it does not depend on "where you start" ..... 30 / 20 ... 40 / 30 ... 50 / 40 all represent the same impact ... they are perceived as twice as loud. You can confirm this with the "Loudness " calculator here (its the 3rd one)

Loudness level gain volume perception dB factor volume conversion ratio gain level in decibels formula dB field quantity energy size power voltage damping convert to factor attenuation amplification acoustic intensity cause sound pressure effect volu

Loudness level gain volume perception dB factor volume conversion ratio gain level in decibels formula dB convert to factor field quantity energy size power voltage damping attenuation amplification acoustic intensity cause sound pressure effect volume factor ratio voltage gain powerloss level...

www.sengpielaudio.com

30 / 20 ... 40 / 30 ... 50 / 40 ...... in each case the difference is 10 and therefore all produce the same result .... as does 21 / 20 .... 31 / 30 .... and 41/ 40 ... each 1st number of perceived as 1.071773 louder. While certainly significant, it's hard to call 7% massive .... if it was a football game, score would be 30-27.

As for frequencies that certainly is true .... it does matter. But consider that we are limited to a sound spectrum with a) the realm of human hearing and b) the range of frequencies produced my moving blades in air, that significantly limits the impact. Still, it certainly can not be ignored as certain frequencies can be more annoying then others . Where the sound measurement is a logarithmic average, a particular bump at certain frequencies can result in two fans having the same dbA measurement but the one with the smooter curve will be easier on the ears

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"The Phanteks PH-F140HP/TS is the clear winner in every respect. It edged out the new Noctuas every step of the way, delivering the best overall results of any fan we’ve tested thus far. To top it off, it had cleanest, smoothest sound of all the new fans in this roundup. If we had to start from scratch, this might be our new reference model. "

Its the same PCB as the Gaming X Trio

Very similar ... again like the car anaologu abovem thi card has the "Sports Package"
Trio has a 13 + 3 VRM design versus the 16 + 4 here
Trio does not have "Dual BIOS" and switch, Suprim does.

taken from computerbase:

Nice chart ... but I think its in kg not g

Except Evga KO which AIB selling at MSRP?

Typically the KO series has been "less than" the FE design or other AIB designs with same MSRP as the FE designs... I noticed that in the Super series the 2060 / 2070 Super were usually at the bottom of the pack in fps and seem to remember the PCB analysis having some shortcomings

 

[WikiFM]

@W1zzard The RTX and DLSS charts no longer includes DLSS performance, even both Control and Metro Exodus support it.

 

[W1zzard]

Actually it's not about the sagging.

Whats your underlying question then? Convince me

@W1zzard The RTX and DLSS charts no longer includes DLSS performance, even both Control and Metro Exodus support it.

Ah right, i Turned off the dlss part for the amd reviews

 

[bobmeix]

Whats your underlying question then? Convince me

Well, to be honest, there is no underlying question, so I will probably not be able to convince you with arguments.
The thing is, I've been reading your reviews for maybe 10 years now. Every time a new GPU/graphics card is launched, your review is the first one I read!
I simply would have liked to know the weight of the tested cards, out of pure curiosity, so I don't have to look for it elsewhere.

 

[bug]

RT is worth nothing until games provide more than 1-2 RT effects without cutting performance nearly in half.
as it is RT right now is as mature as tessellation was during the first two GPU generations supporting it - not mature at all.
it's a marketing gimmick atm just like tessellation was back then, nothing more.

I'm a little confused. Is this a tech enthusiasts forum? Or is this a forum of people buying strictly $200 video cards, because that's where the best bang for the buck is?

Plus, you know the drill, without early adopters, there's even less incentive for developers to offer support (though consoles have largely taken care of that), so you delay market adoption even more. I don't expect everyone to be an early adopter, but I was hoping for a little more enthusiasm on this forum.

 

[Rakhmaninov3]

Its frametime plots look kinda crappy in a lot of games

 

[owen10578]

Its the same PCB as the Gaming X Trio

Gigabyte Auors Extreme 3080 is a 4 slot cooler so i doubt this MSI is larger than that

No its not lol did you even read the review?

The Aorus might be bigger but I'll believe the performance when I see the reviews.

 

[W1zzard]

curiosity

can't be just that. so if a card is 5 kilos, what difference does it make?

 

[micropage7]

taken from computerbase:

Nvidia GeForce RTX 3080 Founders Edition	1.348 g
Asus GeForce RTX 3080 TUF OC	1.387 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3080 Gaming X	1.557 g
Asus GeForce RTX 3090 Strix OC	1.810 g
Gigabyte GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming OC	1.372 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Gaming X Trio	1.569 g
MSI GeForce RTX 3090 Suprim X	1.885 g

they should include anti sag mounting or something like that

 

[W1zzard]

they should include anti sag mounting or something like that

it's included with the suprim, but as mentioned before, sag isn't a function of weight, but of the card's physical construction near the pcie slot cover

 

[bobmeix]

can't be just that. so if a card is 5 kilos, what difference does it make?

Well, let's put it this way then: there are 2 cards (with the same GPU/performance) of similar construction quality, including materials + the same power consumption, the same load temps, the same acoustics, I would probably choose the lighter card. I would find it the more reasonable choice.
It's not of utmost importance, as the above mentioned characteristics are more relevant, but I would still consider weight to influence my decision, if all else is equal.

 

[W1zzard]

Well, let's put it this way then: there are 2 cards (with the same GPU/performance) of similar construction quality, including materials + the same power consumption, the same load temps, the same acoustics, I would probably choose the lighter card. I would find it the more reasonable choice.
It's not of utmost importance, as the above mentioned characteristics are more relevant, but I would still consider weight to influence my decision, if all else is equal.

Personally I would rate things like color, quality of vendor support much higher? More weight = better cooler usually

 

[bobmeix]

Personally I would rate things like color, quality of vendor support much higher? More weight = better cooler usually

Don't disagree, but I've seen big coolers on GPUs, with lacking thermal pads, or other design flaws, that had worse thermals, than smaller coolers with a better design. Not necessarily worse temps on the GPU, but other components.
As I said, not that important, but it doesn't hurt to know.
...and I am not trying to convince you, it's just my opinion.

 

[W1zzard]

and I am not trying to convince you, it's just my opinion

You should Thing is, adding something that consumes time to my reviews will hurt my efficiency, especially if it's not good for anything. Look at the number of reviews I [have to] pump out on some launch days

 

[owen10578]

You should Thing is, adding something that consumes time to my reviews will hurt my efficiency, especially if it's not good for anything. Look at the number of reviews I [have to] pump out on some launch days

I think you could save some time by not including the stock power limit overclocks. I literally don't know anyone who overclocks without pushing the power limit to the max first. Just a thought.

 

[bobmeix]

You should Thing is, adding something that consumes time to my reviews will hurt my efficiency, especially if it's not good for anything. Look at the number of reviews I [have to] pump out on some launch days

I don't want to (try to convince you), because if it's only me, or a few others that would be interested, then it's not worth adding.
I thought, having a scale on or near your test bench and weighing the card wouldn't require as much time as most other operations.

 

[Super XP]

I'm a little confused. Is this a tech enthusiasts forum? Or is this a forum of people buying strictly $200 video cards, because that's where the best bang for the buck is?

Plus, you know the drill, without early adopters, there's even less incentive for developers to offer support (though consoles have largely taken care of that), so you delay market adoption even more. I don't expect everyone to be an early adopter, but I was hoping for a little more enthusiasm on this forum.

There's always going to be early tech enthusiasts that will shell out the Cash for new innovations such as Ray Tracing.
My point was companies shouldn't be charging a premium for there experiments because it ends up affecting every single GPU price point from the top all the way to the bottom.
And yes I mean Nvidia, they are still well overpriced. And AMD just had to follow there pricing schemes which automatically makes there GPUs overpriced. I thought Nvidia learned with the RTX 2000 series, but I was wrong.

 

[owen10578]

There's always going to be early tech enthusiasts that will shell out the Cash for new innovations such as Ray Tracing.
My point was companies shouldn't be charging a premium for there experiments because it ends up affecting every single GPU price point from the top all the way to the bottom.
And yes I mean Nvidia, they are still well overpriced. And AMD just had to follow there pricing schemes which automatically makes there GPUs overpriced. I thought Nvidia learned with the RTX 2000 series, but I was wrong.

Why would they care when they can't produce enough of them with the demand there is right now? Its basically printing cash for them at this point.