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This should be the GT 230!
 
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Nvidia writing a driver to make a card look better? Never!
 
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Older drivers on the 4850, Perhaps they beefed up a couple items. Who cares about lower resolutions, that is like saying a pinto beat a Supra at a 2 ft race, it doesn't really matter unless you drive the pinto. But you are still going home with the ugly chick.


No, wait it has to be more bandwidth.......that is it. But it still needs more.


If you read the resolutions *****AND EYE CANDY**** levels used, you will see it fails at eye candy, exactly what the extra shaders are for elsewhere.

•1024 x 768, No Anti-aliasing. This is a standard resolution without demanding display settings.
•1280 x 1024, 2x Anti-aliasing. Common resolution for most smaller flatscreens today (17" - 19"). A bit of eye candy turned on in the drivers.
•1680 x 1050, 4x Anti-aliasing. Most common widescreen resolution on larger displays (19" - 22"). Very good looking driver graphics settings.
•1920 x 1200, 4x Anti-aliasing. Typical widescreen resolution for large displays (22" - 26"). Very good looking driver graphics settings.
•2560 x 1600, 4x Anti-aliasing. Highest possible resolution for commonly available displays (30"). Very good looking driver graphics settings.


I think he's meaning adding a red line to the bottom of each card's individual bar if it's not playable. Still, though -- what's "playable?"

I remember playing Halo at 20fps with my Radeon 9200SE back in the day. It was definitely "playable," it just looked like shit! :laugh:

That being said -- the power draw on this card is absolutely stunning. 40nm chips sure sip the juice.



And yes, putting a red line at the bottom of the bars of anything above 1680X1050 on performance per watt, dollar.....and for the games themselves that fal below 30FPS. Showing the card will not perform well enough at those leves to maintain smooth gameplay.
 
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Wow, I am going to download these 195.55 beta drivers. Maybe they will improve my GeForce 210 a little bit. :)
 
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I just don't really get these low end cards....
It looks like ATi loves crippling a good core with pity bandwidth (HD 4670), and nVidia loves to put a ton of bandwidth on a crippled core (GT240 GDDR5).
Yes this performs basically like that crippled 9600 GSO...:ohwell:
At lease the 4670 is a tad cheaper. :respect:
For over a hundred dollars I expect something more than this. :shadedshu
 
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The Crysis performance makes me wonder what this card can do with developed drivers.
 

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I'm sure this would be a lot more work for w1z, but as a suggestion for "playable" versus "performance per watt" and "performance per dollar", I'd suggest this:

The bars could have different colored outlines, indicating performace, i.e:
red for <25fps, yellow for 25-60 fps, and green for >60fps
something along those lines.


My favorite part of your reviews w1z is the performance per watt and performance per dollar anyway, so if it stayed the same, I'd still be very happy (even more so since it's nice to see my 4850 way up there on the performance per dollar chart :D).
 
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Mr W1zzard, may I suggest some graphics magic:

XY chart with labels. X is performance. Y is performance per dollar (or watt). Label each card A, B, C... and plot them. Now grey-SHADE the background of the chart into THIRDS (top third performers, mid, bottom).

Our FAVOURITE card is probably in the upper right quadrant.
 
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The Crysis performance makes me wonder what this card can do with developed drivers.

It can still fail at any sort of modern resolution.:slap:
 

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w1zzy, can you do a test for me?

I'd like you to test how the card behaves with three monitors, and if you cant use all three at once (which i beleive to be the case) which one gets disabled.

i've seen cards like this before where you can only use two of the three, but its locked to which two (such as, VGA + HDMI or VGA + DVI, but not HDMI + DVI)

more or less, i'd just like you to see what combinations work
 
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I'm actually curious about the 8.3 rating. I know there's no need or want to just complain about a product, but I think 8.3 is a little generous given it's two major faults: Lower performance than it's predecessor at playable resolutions (yes it may sometimes beat out the 9600GT at 1920x1200+, but you can't actually play games at that res with the card)
More expensive than a card that beats it out in every bench, more than 50% more expensive than the 9600GT which it usually looses to.

I understand that the features improvements are there and tangible, and that the 40nm GPU not using a PCI-E power connector is really quite good, but I have trouble considering a fault in both performance and price to yield a fairly good review score. Perhaps I'm not considering important other variables and I don't know how your weighting system works, but it seemed amiss to me.
 

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I'm actually curious about the 8.3 rating. I know there's no need or want to just complain about a product, but I think 8.3 is a little generous given it's two major faults: Lower performance than it's predecessor at playable resolutions (yes it may sometimes beat out the 9600GT at 1920x1200+, but you can't actually play games at that res with the card)
More expensive than a card that beats it out in every bench, more than 50% more expensive than the 9600GT which it usually looses to.

I understand that the features improvements are there and tangible, and that the 40nm GPU not using a PCI-E power connector is really quite good, but I have trouble considering a fault in both performance and price to yield a fairly good review score. Perhaps I'm not considering important other variables and I don't know how your weighting system works, but it seemed amiss to me.

because the price will lower over time.
 
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But the review is for the current price, correct?

TO be honest as there are cards with much better performance and lower cost I would never buy this for almost the same money you could have a 5750 and be more future proof, plus much better overclocks.
 

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the problem is that if he lowers the score based on price, it makes the review worthless in a few months - the card may halve in price overnight and suddenly be totally awesome, yet the reviews score will make people stay away.
 
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So give a good review to every card that comes along, based on future prices?



I think not.



Give a review to cards based on their market value as set by the MFG. By the features, innovation, and performance they bring.
 

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no, i think price is worthy of being mentioned, and in the graphs - but useless in the long run, so dont affect the score by it.
 
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you get a nice 4770 for the same price...
 
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I've got a new card to recommend to people with cheap pre-built systems and HTPCs. That 300W minimum requirement is going to help.
 

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I've got a new card to recommend to people with cheap pre-built systems and HTPCs. That 300W minimum requirement is going to help.

I don't see how, this card pulling 300w would likely overload most HTPC and cheap pre-built power supplies...

And good luck fitting it in the case.:laugh:
 
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I don't see how, this card pulling 300w would likely overload most HTPC and cheap pre-built power supplies...

And good luck fitting it in the case.:laugh:

I think he meant 300w power supply requirement.
 

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really, appreciate all the hard work you have done and the work of others which lead to this thread.

Looks like I will getting this MSI motherboard.

Thanks, again.

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I don't see how, this card pulling 300w would likely overload most HTPC and cheap pre-built power supplies...

And good luck fitting it in the case.:laugh:

Well, people have been recommending an HD 4670 for over a year now for those purposes. The GT 240 uses a tiny bit less power, performs better and the board is no larger physically. Again, its a good one to recommend for all those cheap, pre-built Dells, HPs and such (with their weak power supplies). Maybe you misunderstood my post (which I thought was pretty clear).
 
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