MSI OCLab Reveals Ryzen 9000X3D 11-13% Faster Than 7000X3D, AMD Set to Dominate "Arrow Lake" in Gaming

[Vayra86]

And with an AMD machine it takes 20% longer to boot up to get to those games.

Nah, just the first time, my boot is 14 seconds.

 

[Wasteland]

None of my Intel or AMD rigs bluescreen on any task. Sounds like you have a PEBCAK issue.

Don't know whether it's PEBCAK, but for sure there's something seriously wrong. It might even be Intel's fault (e.g. Raptor Lake degradation), but there's no basis to assume that.

Either way, @usiname should look into fixing the problem, rather than just accepting daily BSODs for the sake of fanboy-feud fuel.

 

[usiname]

None of my Intel or AMD rigs bluescreen on any task. Sounds like you have a PEBCAK issue.

I tough my trolling of the troll was too obvious, but maybe it was not

Don't know whether it's PEBCAK, but for sure there's something seriously wrong. It might even be Intel's fault (e.g. Raptor Lake degradation), but there's no basis to assume that.

Either way, @usiname should look into fixing the problem, rather than just accepting daily BSODs for the sake of fanboy-feud fuel.

Nah, I can't have a problem with BSOD, because I will never again buy Intel's trash, the last on was Haswell

 

[Raiden85]

And with an AMD machine it takes 20% longer to boot up to get to those games.

Enable memory context restore and the boot times will be instantaneous every time from a restart or cold boot. This will stop the board from doing memory training on every single restart which is just overkill and damn annoying. Have had it enabled for a long time and my system that stays powered on 24/7 is rock solid.

 

[AusWolf]

First, this is nonsense, my AMD machine boot for 10 sec
Second, the Intel machines BSOD during gameplay every day or so, which cause much more wasted time and progress

BSOD is not normal behaviour on any machine. You must have something wrong going on in your PC.

 

[usiname]

BSOD is not normal behaviour on any machine. You must have something wrong going on in your PC.

Nah, I can't have a problem with BSOD, because I will never again buy Intel's trash, the last on was Haswell

 

[AusWolf]

Enable memory context restore and the boot times will be instantaneous every time from a restart or cold boot. This will stop the board from doing memory training on every single restart which is just overkill and damn annoying. Have had it enabled for a long time and my system that stays powered on 24/7 is rock solid.

Either this, or disable EXPO. Running high memory speeds is not necessary with an X3D CPU, especially with a midrange graphics card. Your mileage may vary.

Nah, I can't have a problem with BSOD, because I will never again buy Intel's trash, the last on was Haswell

You didn't hear me. It's not Intel's fault if your PC BSODs. I had a Haswell system back in the days, and it was fine.

 

[usiname]

Either this, or disable EXPO. Running high memory speeds is not necessary with an X3D CPU, especially with a midrange graphics card. Your mileage may vary.


You didn't hear me. It's not Intel's fault if your PC BSODs. I had a Haswell system back in the days, and it was fine.

It looks like many people here have BSOD problem with their Intel's systems and they fill affected. Sorry for your mistake, but next time just avoid Intel

 

[docnorth]

@btarunr I first saw the article on videocardz, it says 2% to 13% higher. This also makes more sense, there should be some fluctuation around different games.

 

[Hardware1906]

so Zen 5 X3Ds have same/almost same performance in synthetic benchmark compared to the Zen 5 non X3D SKU, and these cpus have more performance upto 10% on light game and upto 2% on heavy game compared to last year X3D

i bet with more game tested, the number will be close to 5% again or maybe this year X3Ds will be super power efficiency, who knows xDDD

 

[AusWolf]

It looks like many people here have BSOD problem with their Intel's systems and they fill affected. Sorry for your mistake, but next time just avoid Intel

What mistake? I've had many Intel systems from Core 2 Duo to 11th gen Core i, never had any BSOD problem.

 

[BlaezaLite]

11% isn't the increase I was hoping for. 10800X3D see you in a few years.

More interested in AMD's 8000 series GPU's catching up with CPU's.

 

[Bruno Vieira]

Dominate? Won't it be within like 10%?
Not a big deal...

One thing is to have a cpu faster in gaming and other faster in prod. But this time, the x3d parts will just faster and more efficient than the intel parts without any asterisks, this will increase the price by a lot.

 

[AusWolf]

This is because you didn't have Raptor Lake

You don't want Intel again because of one bad generation. Then I guess you don't want AMD either because of FX.

 

[usiname]

You don't want Intel again because of one bad generation. Then I guess you don't want AMD either because of FX.

If they fix this two things
-They are power hungry - maybe this will be fixed for first time since many years with Arrow Lake
-They are with e-cores, I will never buy such CPU nor from Intel, nor from AMD with their shitty cores with half cache that are not different from intel's one

Also if they release better CPU at better or competitive price, I will see if I will return again on Intel, but I don't see them to fix the second. Perhaps more likely is AMD to take the same road with the small crappy cores

One more think - Their sockets that change on each generation, this is unacceptable. For first time they have socket that lasted on 3 different generations, but I can't call it even different generation, Its all the same Alder Lake core with higher clocks, Arrow Lake is expected to be single generation for single socket - RIP LGA-1851 2024-2024

 

[AusWolf]

If they fix this two things
-They are power hungry - maybe this will be fixed for first time since many years with Arrow Lake
-They are with e-cores, I will never buy such CPU nor from Intel, nor from AMD with their shitty cores with half cache that are not different from intel's one

Also if they release better CPU at better or competitive price, I will see if I will return again on Intel, but I don't see them to fix the second. Perhaps more likely is AMD to take the same road with the small crappy cores

I'll agree on that.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

How disappointing... This means that the vast majority of this almost meaningless perf increase is coming from clock speed enhancements only. The Zen 5 architecture really is an utter disappointment. Something went very wrong inside AMD. The exact same monumental f-up as what caused the awful RDNA 3 chip which has all but destroyed the Radeon brand. It's almost as if nobody inside AMD has ever actually seen these chips in a real working system and measured their performance - It's like they are only looking at simulation results.

How this miniscule kind of performance increase is going to generate upgrade sales is beyond me. Hey look, you can have maybe 5-10% more frames than your old and awful 7800X3D for the low low price of $500+!!! Grab 'em while they're hot!

One thing is for sure, this Zen 5 is not a fixable situation, it's almost certainly either an errata in the design, or a deliberate lie by AMD marketing.

Somebody needs firing.

 

[Daven]

Nah, just the first time, my boot is 14 seconds.

I timed my boot after the one time mem test with an AM5 Asrock at about 10 sec.

 

[Lycanwolfen]

Intel will never win till they drop those E cores and make a pure 16 core P core CPU. 8 core vs 16 core do the math. I guess they do not care anymore they make enough on the business side with xeons.

 

[Darmok N Jalad]

Are people really shutting down their rigs after every gaming session? I must be doing it wrong.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

Intel will never win till they drop those E cores and make a pure 16 core P core CPU. 8 core vs 16 core do the math. I guess they do not care anymore they make enough on the business side with xeons.

Yes, it's odd that after all these years the mighty Intel has not found a way of making a big core that can run low and power efficient, then ramp up to their normal nuclear reactor style when needed. Instead, they are taking features away from the big cores to make them work like e-cores.

 

[Hecate91]

Zen5%, a total skip for any Zen4 or 5800X3D owner.

If the 9800X3D is only around 5% faster than a 7800X3D, it's still faster than Arrow Lake by 10%, not worth it for most people but still faster in gaming with a high end GPU.

You don't want Intel again because of one bad generation. Then I guess you don't want AMD either because of FX.

It's two generations, and given the way Intel handled it I would avoid buying anything Intel for quite a while.

 

[StimpsonJCat]

You don't want Intel again because of one bad generation. Then I guess you don't want AMD either because of FX.

Erm, that's actually two in a row Mr. Wolf. Let's not talk about how long it took them to own up to it, and all the problems yet to come with those CPU's.

 

[HD64G]

Upcoming 9800X3D will be the CPU to buy for anyone apart form those having the 7800X3D. It cannot gain more than 10-15% in gaming on a 4090 to have any real added value. For anyone else, it will offer at least 20-25% more performance on a 4090 and up to 1440P. The best it will do to the market is to lower the retail price of the previous gen X3D that has skyrocketed since Zen5 launched.

 

[R0H1T]

Are people really shutting down their rigs after every gaming session? I must be doing it wrong.

I do hibernate/hybrid sleep most of the times! Only plebs keep their systems on 24/7 at idle