MSI Spatium M390 1 TB

[W1zzard]

The MSI Spatium M390 is based on the brand-new Phison E15 controller, which offers excellent performance while being cost-efficient to manufacture. It's one of the first drives I'd call "DRAM-less done right." With $110, the MSI Spatium M390 is priced very competitively and has the potential to kill all the QLC drives out there.

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[Wooden Law - Black]

The Phison E15T seems a Phison E19T but with a Gen3 PHY. It is a Tri-core (one core ARM Cortex-R5 and two cores CoXProcessor 2.0). I guess it is TSMC 12nm with four channels (1200 MT/s).

 

[Ferrum Master]

MSI has forgot to put Zu before Spät

 

[The Quim Reaper]

I look at these SSD load times for games and just laugh at those who needlesly spend more, just to save a couple of seconds between the best and the worst performers.

 

[Kapone33]

I look at these SSD load times for games and just laugh at those who needlesly spend more, just to save a couple of seconds between the best and the worst performers.

Today...apparently Direct Storage is coming at some point.

 

[seth1911]

I look at these SSD load times for games and just laugh at those who needlesly spend more, just to save a couple of seconds between the best and the worst performers.

Nah i would like an PCIE SSD they will hold up till 80% of filling up the 29xx MB/s and QD16 too with 29xxMB/s,
thats tha point PCIE 3.0 is not even in anyway knock out.

Its just adversiting, yeah QD1 till up to 7000MB/s for PCIE 4.0 SSD

 

[W1zzard]

Today...apparently Direct Storage is coming at some point.

We'll see how much difference it makes, I suspect not much. How much compressed assets are you realistically gonna load per second? 1 GB? For how long? VRAM is 8 to 16 GB

 

[mechtech]

Need more decent 4TB drives at decent prices.
Like $300 cad. With games and photos ballooning in size 1 TB just doesn’t cut it anymore except for an OS/program drive

 

[Zareek]

It's nice to see that someone besides Samsung can make a decent DRAMless NVMe controller but for less than $10 more, I will always go with Samsung. Maybe it will retail for less than MSRP.

 

[Xuper]

Is TBW for NAND chip ? so How long controller can stay more ? I feel TBW doesn't matter , when SSD fails , this means controller is going to die.

 

[Wooden Law - Black]

It's nice to see that someone besides Samsung can make a decent DRAMless NVMe controller

Not only Samsung and Phison, but also with the InnoGrit IG5216.

Is TBW for NAND chip ?

There are PEC (P/E cycles).

so How long controller can stay more ?

What do you mean? How long NAND can keep data (data-retention) without current?

 

[Xuper]

There are PEC (P/E cycles).

What do you mean? How long NAND can keep data (data-retention) without current?

I think most of time , sign of SSD failure is related to controller Not NAND. let's take Samsung SM863 240GB (1540TBW) . Samsung controller might fail at start so for me TBW is not longer important.

 

[Chrispy_]

Ouch, that 150MB/s write hole at 63MB is a deal-breaker. Moving a single game to this SSD could easily hit that.
If there weren't other competing drives without this problem at similar or lower prices, it's something you could overlook - but there's no reason to buy this with that glaring issue.
Hopefully MSI/Phison can fix this in firmware....

 

[Wooden Law - Black]

I think most of time , sign of SSD failure is related to controller Not NAND.

Actually most of time SSDs dies for NAND's failure, but it depends on the case.

 

[WhoDecidedThat]

Ouch, that 150MB/s write hole at 63MB is a deal-breaker. Moving a single game to this SSD could easily hit that.

How exactly would you move a game to this SSD at speed of 3 GB/sec?

We'll see how much difference it makes, I suspect not much. How much compressed assets are you realistically gonna load per second? 1 GB? For how long? VRAM is 8 to 16 GB

I have a question. With 1 TB SSDs reaching write speeds of 1200 MB/sec (and above) in TLC mode, isn't it sufficient for most use cases? Why use the NAND in SLC mode and waste write cycles?

 

[W1zzard]

I have a question. With 1 TB SSDs reaching write speeds of 1200 MB/sec (and above) in TLC mode, isn't it sufficient for most use cases? Why use the NAND in SLC mode and waste write cycles?

Depends on your definition of "sufficient". SLC cache is an excellent solution to handle those short bursts of write activity. Even if it's just a 10 MB write, it'll complete in 1/3rd the time, so definitely worth it. Write cycles are a complete non-issue for consumer SSDs

 

[illusion archives]

Actually most of time SSDs dies for NAND's failure, but it depends on the case.

In my view, since 64L TLC came to consumers, the most reason for SSD death is the crash of controller/PMIC.

 

[Wooden Law - Black]

In my view, since 64L TLC came to consumers, the most reason for SSD death is the crash of controller/PMIC.

What’s with 64L TLC? I refer NAND’s failure as endurance, so PEC.

 

[InVasMani]

Need more decent 4TB drives at decent prices.
Like $300 cad. With games and photos ballooning in size 1 TB just doesn’t cut it anymore except for an OS/program drive

ARK2 gonna need a 2TB drive just for the DLC...

 

[Chrispy_]

How exactly would you move a game to this SSD at speed of 3 GB/sec?

I mean, this is a budget drive, so presumably if your PCIe 4.0 primary SSD has a 100GB game on it and you want to shuffle it over to cheaper storage then it's coming from a drive that reads at 4GB/s or more.

Maybe I'm weird but I have tiered storage. A WD black for the stuff I want the best performance from (so OS/programs and a small handful of active games) and I have a cheaper 2TB SSD for games that I don't play as often and move games to it using the Steam inbuilt functionality. Admittedly my 2TB drive is a SATA MX500 but if I were buying that drive today I'd likely pick a budget NVMe drive like the A2000 or SN550.

My internet is slow which means when I've finished a single-player game I'll move it to the 20TB NAS rather than uninstalling it because downloading 50GB is a 6-hour wait for me, whilst copying it back from the NAS is only 10 minutes.

 

[InVasMani]

The SK Hynix Gold P31 500GB seems like it would be great for a triple or quad M.2 raid setup.

 

[mechtech]

I mean, this is a budget drive, so presumably if your PCIe 4.0 primary SSD has a 100GB game on it and you want to shuffle it over to cheaper storage then it's coming from a drive that reads at 4GB/s or more.

Maybe I'm weird but I have tiered storage. A WD black for the stuff I want the best performance from (so OS/programs and a small handful of active games) and I have a cheaper 2TB SSD for games that I don't play as often and move games to it using the Steam inbuilt functionality. Admittedly my 2TB drive is a SATA MX500 but if I were buying that drive today I'd likely pick a budget NVMe drive like the A2000 or SN550.

My internet is slow which means when I've finished a single-player game I'll move it to the 20TB NAS rather than uninstalling it because downloading 50GB is a 6-hour wait for me, whilst copying it back from the NAS is only 10 minutes.

Lol you out in South Shropshire with Nick, Richard and Binky??

 

[Chrispy_]

Lol you out in South Shropshire with Nick, Richard and Binky??

Central London, Paddington.
The infrastructure is super old and digging up the streets to lay fibre to each property is super expensive and inconvenient so it's copper for the last half-mile which means the best internet I can get is FTTC for about 30Mbps.

 

[mechtech]

D

Central London, Paddington.
The infrastructure is super old and digging up the streets to lay fibre to each property is super expensive and inconvenient so it's copper for the last half-mile which means the best internet I can get is FTTC for about 30Mbps

Do like we do in Canada. Put it on poles. Mainly since the ground is frozen 8 months of the year lol

 

[Chrispy_]

D

Do like we do in Canada. Put it on poles. Mainly since the ground is frozen 8 months of the year lol

A friend of mine used to work for a Candian ISP and used to tell me that sometimes people there are just left without internet for the whole winter as the building with faulty routers in it is buried under 3 feet of ice for the next four months....