Need amplifier advice

[revin]

Even some great deals local to where you are can reap major reward's like on craigslist. Salvaation Army Goodwill DAV ect..
Can you return the Denon?

My denon, no matter what we switch or bi-amp isnot enough. I have never bough a home theater amp before and wanted advice on specifically which one to get. I did not want to work on my denon

So it's defective? You have tried just using the main A with the Polk's, and still shut's off?

@Jayell Go pick up one of these and call it day.

HSU Research 500A Subwoofer amplifier

 

[m1dg3t]

Overrated as in not close to rated output. some where I think I understood it clipped at 80 watts
Like as has been said these newer AVR have issue's since they have to fit a budget, so more frills means something else must be cut to save cost.
Very few now days have an output that can pushed hard and not suffer. They try to make them look good on paper, but in real world they under perform more closer to rated output.

Indeed, thus testing the speakers as I posted to see if the unit can even perform at rated output [0db] with 2 channels.
Also may need to use a fan to cool it to see if that help's, overheating been an issue with them also. Marantz has some very similar setup, same issue.
From the looks of the inside only 1 rail to supply and take out the heat it will have the overheating issue more easily Not even a real heat sink.
Step up to the x4100 night and day difference.
X4000

X4100

As you can see the 4000 are not even directly connected to the heat sink.
Just the change of the way they design any op amp can make a world of difference.

My Pioneer, rated output pretty much the same. The shop found 48 volts from each rail side

Er, ya... That's what I meant LoL You had to go and post pics eh? That Pioneer of yours is quite the unit, even today. Really the only thing it's lacking is HDMI

What about a pyle pt3300?

Pyle is a pile LoL That is a PA style amp as mentioned by Revin IIRC, not a good choice for music listening. Did you not read my first post or are you 1 of those guys/gals who asks for advice and ignores what was offered to him/her? I saw a few Haflers on fleabay just the other day, 2 DH200s and a DH220 among the selection. Even an old Adcom would be perfect. If you want something new without breaking the bank check out Emotiva, not the greatest but it sounds good for what you pay. In my household we have 2 XPA1s, 1 XPA2 and an XPA5. Or you could always go buy a HK 165 hehehe

@revin Is that your sx1980?

 

[revin]

Indeed, I think we all knew what you saying, just thought I refresh it in my post so outside readers that may have limited knowledge of audio basics.

I'm somewhat confused s to just what OP is trying to accomplish.
Lurking in and out but ignoring the very basis of us asking them to narrow down his issue at hand.
Several post have been directed to the issue of the unit but got scathed over. But, cant get horse to drink the water lol.
If I had spent 3-400 dollars on a unit and it had those issues, be dam'd going to find out what is wrong. Not have some blue shirt tell me I just need a new preamp and power amp!
Granted it's not a real high end unit, but it was marketed as such, and even if it got close to 80-100 plus watts 1.-it should not shut off, and 2.- it should very well go past 40 or 50.
So seems like got another 1 post wonder who don't want any advise, so grab a Pyle or what ever and be done.
As for saying you tried this and that, I'm not so sure you even knew how to do a proper bi-amp with your setup. [Which most of don't feel you should even try do that at this point]

BTW, there is no reason that properly working unit will NOT run those 70's at high volume .I don't mean just loud, but high !
Tell us, what is it your wanting to accomplish, waste money on another power unit, or even try to get the one you have to working?

Dang 25 min for me to type ???

EDIT:

That Pioneer of yours is quite the unit

Thanks It really is a brute. I don't do 5.1 ect any more Just good ole stereo. The shop that fixed few years ago it went thru 2 bags of resistors just to find one in same spec as was in it.
I had "grounding" issue trying to bi-amp, took out 1 channel. Live and learn. They updated the output caps larger power cord few other items. He had went to college with Bob Carver and they worked on several projects over the years.
EDIT :to clarify The 1980 was just like what a friend traded a 65 Nova for about 1979-80. Guy from service over seas needed a car, he had the 1980, large 5 way 18{?} Sansui speakers, Teac tape, Studer or Rotel Reel to reel[15ips] a killer heavy turntable and another heavyweight Marantz with the ossicscope. Man I tell you it was a concert ! Litlery people come down to the park thinking it was a concert !Oh those were the days !!!!!

 

[OneCool]

Bi amp wire the speakers ( they support it)?

Does the receiver have a a/b speaker channel?


This thread is all over the place lol

 

[Ferrum Master]

I don't do 5.1 ect any more Just good ole stereo.

The first thing you do after overcoming puberty.

 

[OneCool]

Hate a/v receivers. I had to buy a cheap one because my ex wife destroyed my old Sony quad channel!!

 

[Ferrum Master]

Hate a/v receivers. I had to buy a cheap one because my ex wife destroyed my old Sony quad channel!!

How? Share your sorrow so we can learn from your mistakes.

 

[OneCool]

When I left her she fell off the deep end of bipolar and addiction.

She swore I had it bugged with microphones and video cameras.

Not to mention my 40in flat screen,computer, Sony studio monitors speakers,ps3 .. Destroyed them all.

Sold all the rest tools,100 plus CD's,200+ DVDs,lots of tools..Pawned it for nothing.

 

[m1dg3t]

Indeed, I think we all knew what you saying, just thought I refresh it in my post so outside readers that may have limited knowledge of audio basics.
I'm somewhat confused s to just what OP is trying to accomplish.
Lurking in and out but ignoring the very basis of us asking them to narrow down his issue at hand.
Several post have been directed to the issue of the unit but got scathed over. But, cant get horse to drink the water lol.
If I had spent 3-400 dollars on a unit and it had those issues, be dam'd going to find out what is wrong. Not have some blue shirt tell me I just need a new preamp and power amp!
Granted it's not a real high end unit, but it was marketed as such, and even if it got close to 80-100 plus watts 1.-it should not shut off, and 2.- it should very well go past 40 or 50.
So seems like got another 1 post wonder who don't want any advise, so grab a Pyle or what ever and be done.
As for saying you tried this and that, I'm not so sure you even knew how to do a proper bi-amp with your setup. [Which most of don't feel you should even try do that at this point]
BTW, there is no reason that properly working unit will NOT run those 70's at high volume .I don't mean just loud, but high !
Tell us, what is it your wanting to accomplish, waste money on another power unit, or even try to get the one you have to working?
Dang 25 min for me to type ???
EDIT:
Thanks It really is a brute. I don't do 5.1 ect any more Just good ole stereo. The shop that fixed few years ago it went thru 2 bags of resistors just to find one in same spec as was in it.
I had "grounding" issue trying to bi-amp, took out 1 channel. Live and learn. They updated the output caps larger power cord few other items. He had went to college with Bob Carver and they worked on several projects over the years.
The 1980 was just like what a friend traded a 65 Nova for about 1979-80. Guy from service over seas needed a car, he had the 1980, large 5 way 18{?} Sansui speakers, Teac tape, Studer or Rotel Reel to reel[15ips] a killer heavy turntable and another heavyweight Marantz with the ossicscope. Man I tell you it was a concert ! Litlery people come down to the park thinking it was a concert !Oh those were the days !!!!!

I think he's just trolling TBH, yourself and Ferrum Master have been giving solid advice and asking good questions and they seem to be glossed right over LoL It's not hard, Front Left to FL + Front Right to FR, red to pos and black to neg, select stereo for 2ch and done

Bi amp wire the speakers ( they support it)?
Does the receiver have a a/b speaker channel?
This thread is all over the place lol

Stop talking Bi amp/Bi wire FFS! This dude can barely read LoL

The first thing you do after overcoming puberty.

HaHaHa Made me spill my beer bastid! Surround has it's place, but for music 2ch is where it's at
I gonna try some pix, I dusted everything off the other day... Ah! Ran out of space, have a few more pix. Vintage Black receiver Pioneer sx 5590, vintage silver face Pioneer sx 1080. Larger AVR Yamaha DSP z7, smaller AVR Yamaha HTR 6290b. Of the 3 seperate AMPs 2 are Emotiva XPA1s and the other is an Emotiva XPA5. Upstairs there's a Pioneer VSX 812 paired with an Emotiva XPA2 and I'm pretty sure there a Pioneer sx 636 kickin' around up there too

 

[revin]

@OneCool That's very sad a Quad got destroyed ! and the rest of the stuff so sad !!
@Ferrum Master I tried multi when I first got it and nope, not really worth it to me.[ Does it count if I was 45 and I didn't even keep it for a week and was on morphine] lol But did start HiFi even before I got my first car !
I get better separation and imaging from the Infinity's in stereo. and in the back just swap L&R then got stereo from the side or facing seating position
Not much difference than some of the multi effects that a lot of units have even.
For the price at the time this AV was best bang for the dollar, but I knew it had stellar audio performance. That's what is the first part to securitize for any audio component.
I only use optical, bring the sound in and just switch the input on the TV and the receiver.
It was pretty much the last of a high end analogue unit, moving to that digital switching. Unstill just recent years it is just starting to get a good sound again[Digital]. Pioneer ICE Digital is very now worthy, catching up with Carver and his Sunfire's, Crown and others.
In fact just the very next model up ,the 40, is a pile of junk. It kinda the same as where the op is at some units are made awesome, and then they have to toss in those that are made to "look" awesome.
Topping that with rating them at : 1khz, @ 6ohm , 1 channel driven, and love those micro second 3,000 watts ratings!! Flipp'n FTC
Used to if it's not 20-20 @ 0.00x you wernt on the porch with the big dogs.
Oh well, like Ferrum said those tube amps are almost gone and defiantly priced accordingly but there are many many makes of excellent priced older units to suffice.
EDIT Damnit I'm slow ass typer !!!!!
That's some Sexy hardware. @m1dg3t !!! There is some worthy items like that in Tulsa about hour or so from me. Would love to spend my stash cash on another one.

 

[revin]

HaHaHa Made me spill my beer bastid!

Indeed it was catchy !! You got some dandy's in there too , too many for me to snipe, but your dead on brother. I give up

They put some 22 or 33 k caps in mine not sure what it had from Pioneer to start.
Kinda funny, this guy that has the repair store was really excited to work on mine, and didn't understand why no one else wanted to. They said that "those Elites are just really over our head.
So screw'em bought the service manual called him up and whamo Made a good friend and heard some cool stories they had "back in the day" The only thing that threw him a curve was when he found the 48v on each rail, they put huge Danger Deadly Electronic sign over it. Said that had been many years he got to dig into a real HiFi unit.
Boy howdy would love to spend a day going thu a audition of your collection

EDIT: Just to give visitors n idea of the scope of the SX1980

 

[AsRock]

Geez, at least my wife's not gone that far with conspiracy ( not the only one either ), still wants her name boot up with her system as i apparently have mine doing just that.

 

[revin]

What are these units ?, The end one's look similar[Dual mono blocks each lol], but the middle ?Edit: Emotiva XPA5. So Crown's......? im really sloooooowwwww

Is that a Black 1980 ???[ in first pic] yes, but WoW, didn't know they had black ! So do all 1980's break into 2 parts?

 

[OneCool]

Indeed it was catchy !! You got some dandy's in there too , too many for me to snipe, but your dead on brother. I give up

They put some 22 or 33 k caps in mine not sure what it had from Pioneer to start.
Kinda funny, this guy that has the repair store was really excited to work on mine, and didn't understand why no one else wanted to. They said that "those Elites are just really over our head.
So screw'em bought the service manual called him up and whamo Made a good friend and heard some cool stories they had "back in the day" The only thing that threw him a curve was when he found the 48v on each rail, they put huge Danger Deadly Electronic sign over it. Said that had been many years he got to dig into a real HiFi unit.
Boy howdy would love to spend a day going thu a audition of your collection

EDIT: Just to give visitors n idea of the scope of the SX1980

Very nice!!

 

[revin]

Very nice!!

Wouldn't y love to spend the day with m1dget !!!!!!
Hey, tell ya watt [lol] Those will wake up the Polks

 

[m1dg3t]

What are these units ?, The end one's look similar[Dual mono blocks each lol], but the middle ?
Is that a Black 1980 ??? yes, but WoW, didn't know they had black ! So do all 1980's break into 2 parts?

End units are Differential MoNo blocks, center is a 5ch. Nah the black face is a Euro/Asian market sx 1280, most found their way here through PXs. I just happened to get lucky about 6/7 years ago when I came across it on a local audio trading forum, I wish it was a 1980! Man I jizzed my pants when you posted a pair, those are some super rare birds! Are they yours? I hope you got a fresh stylus on your TT! Packin' up the vinyl, audio gear & a keg of beer! I'm on my way LoL I have a weakness for old Pioneers LoL

If I was into tubes like Ferrum Master, I'd be broke I think! Too many choices and they all impact the reproduction. Tube Rollin' like a BOSS! LoL. What do you mean break in 2 parts? I'd like to get better speakers but the place I'm in right now is not conducive to my music/theater listening habbits so I'm just enjoying what I got for now. I had a few more pix but I must be too buzzed cuz I can't upload them LoL Damn you TPU 2Mb limit!

http://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-1

 

[OneCool]

Wouldn't y love to spend the day with m1dget !!!!!!
Hey, tell ya watt [lol] Those will wake up the Polks

Wouldn't y love to spend the day with m1dget !!!!!!
Hey, tell ya watt [lol] Those will wake up the Polks

Haaa.

 

[OneCool]

Not a Polk fan really. There sensitivity rating is trash and their stereo separation is something to be desired.

I'm a Klipsch man

 

[m1dg3t]

Not a Polk fan really. There sensitivity rating is trash and their stereo separation is something to be desired. I'm a Klipsch man

Uah, Horns! LoL What would you expect from mass produced speakers? Do you listen to music or just think of words to describe listening to music? HeHeHe Not all Polk stuff is junk, just like not all Klipsch stuff sounds like crap. In the end they all die when I'm done with 'em

Wouldn't y love to spend the day with m1dget !!!!!!
Hey, tell ya watt [lol] Those will wake up the Polks

ROTFLMFAO

 

[OneCool]

I know what sounds good to me and Polk is never the case.

Hell I'd rather listen to my DCM KX12 series twos than any Polk I can think of.

 

[m1dg3t]

I know what sounds good to me and Polk is never the case.

Hell I'd rather listen to my DCM KX12 series twos than any Polk I can think of.

I feel the same about any modern Klipsch I've heard, too bright/harsh, poor separation and weak/muddy bass. Some La Scalas would be nice though!

Right now I've got RTi A9s & A7s in the main room, using the A9s as fronts even though the A7s are more musical. If I could go back I'd have got all 4 A7s, the difference is rather noticeable to me and most others who have had a listen.

 

[OneCool]

My ears and my wallet are way different things.
Still want a set of RF-82 ll

 

[revin]

sorry I bailed last nite, grandson got sick and I crashed shortly after]

What do you mean break in 2 parts?

Yea just what the hell did I mean You set me straight on the Black unit I guess the shielding threw me off, but wow are they similar.
So thing is, I got the G22/3300 mixed up, thought the 1980 was same design.

Also, I would be lying if I tried to claim both 1980's . But those few years hanging out with my buddy after work and weekends oh the joy watching the girls and my wife dancing !!!

Polk's = WAF Polk Studio Monitor Loudspeaker Couple years ago I had inquired in a thread here about needing to "replace" the huge Pioneer CS9900's.6 pairs in fact.[WUAF]=pissed
So my basis was my Infinity RSe Studio Monitors. These are amazing speakers that have a really wide sound field, and make excellent separation and imagining like few others'
Standing inplane next to the outside of a speaker, you can very well hear and distinguish the stereo separation. Even just from on the floor. Not something you needed to strain to hear or bullshit, it was just there.

That image stage was my main concern to still achieve. Thus didn't need a "sweet spot" to sit in and all that crap. I had auditioned the line at Best Buy, Klipsch , Polks [had 60's then], and pair of Martian's.
So they were out at 4 digit prices, but the Klipsch had the some of the same shrill too them. The 60's seem'd ok though. It was suggested [here]that the Polks were similar to the Infinity's so huge sale came up, the WAF was in high gear for Black [she HATED those brown giant 9900's, 4 of 'em in the Front room !] So WIN WIN Less that $200 pop snagged 4 75t's and really now I'm being honest.

I'm not an "audiophile extremist" They sound really good, they play extremely LOUD with all four on A+B. They are very clean, very clean. But they can be bright but sadly they have a limited stage and imaging to them. So for listening to great music, and some times loud they are wonderful. Thus they are Loudspeakers just as advertised. Now compared to my modded CS9900's, they were shrill on some vocals. 1 set has a refurbished pair of CS99A cross over network in them and that helped fine tune that out. Added a pair of those heavy duty Parts express 16" woofers, and that xover made them a really nice sounding set.
All four had plenty of bass bump to keep the windows shaking,[damnit I sound like a flipping kid ] and even made the mirrors on the old DLP dance to the music lol.

So all in all they re very good speakers for the cost, they handle gobs of clean power and don't lead to a fatiguing experience. No there not Bower's or Kappa's but they do fit in for a overall great experience.
Besides when I get that urge to get lost in the music, switch over to the RSe's.

So @m1dg3t still jonesing for moar pics