need help understanding power draw of 5950x please

[Dr. Dro]

It shouldn't, I have to use Linpack to get the big power numbers lol

Yeah, most of the time it uses a lot less power than that. But that also goes for most many-core CPUs, you're probably gonna be using ~80-100 in most workloads.

The one thing that's gonna be problematic if your motherboard isn't absolutely top spec is the EDC limit, if I recall correctly it was just about 190 A on the B550-E. My old sample had a golden IOD, pushing 4x 16GB dual ranks at 3600 using just 0.95V SoC... hope its new owner tried out memory tweaking with it.

 

[A Computer Guy]

havent tried as I havent received. but I still have a pos mb so not sure what it will do. right now just a 5600x in there. well see. have you had snow in Finland already?

What motherboard?

 

[inquisitor1]

What motherboard?

piece of junk b550m aorus elite. when I first bought it I looked at other boards and said, prices are nuts, but im regretting not going for the next tier up. oh well. now in winter it will run ok, but summer is what im worried about. ghetto modded but mounting antec 200mm fan on the edge of the frame where the door sits to push air down on vrm and a 140mm fan angled from the top at 45 degrees to blow down on vrm. should be ok. at worse ill mount a car radiator fan hahaha

 

[Bill_Bright]

It can be whatever we want it to be man.

No it can't. Only the OP (inquisitor1 in this case) can decide the direction a thread takes - otherwise it is called hijacking a thread and running it off topic - both of which are considered poor forum etiquette.

but also FTR a lot of people don't need it, because in very short that is what regulations are for.

Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Are regulations going to tell Mother Nature she can't toss a lightning bolt at your house? Are regulations going to stop a tree from falling over and taking out power lines? Are regulations going to stop you from plugging 30 strings of Christmas lights into one outlet? Are regulations going to stop you from accidentally dropping your hair dryer in the toilet? Are regulations going to stop a drunk from plowing into the power distribution box feeding your street?

but yeah it is definitely a cultural thing)

Pure nonsense. Claiming to be a nincompoop doesn't mean you can say naïve nincompoop things.

My first experience with UPS goes back over 50 years when we had whole facility UPS to support our "mission critical" communications systems. The UPS carried our systems until the facility backup generators fired up, stabilized, then kicked in. Hospitals, 911 centers, DCO (phone centers), command posts and more have been using UPS for decades. Nothing "cultural" about it.

Servers and network devices have been protected by UPS for decades too.

The main reasons they have moved down into homes and SOHO networks is because (1) they have become affordable and (2) the realization that surge and spike protectors are severely lacking in their capabilities has come to the masses too.

 

[Frick]

Sorry, but that makes no sense at all. Are regulations going to tell Mother Nature she can't toss a lightning bolt at your house? Are regulations going to stop a tree from falling over and taking out power lines? Are regulations going to stop you from plugging 30 strings of Christmas lights into one outlet? Are regulations going to stop you from accidentally dropping your hair dryer in the toilet? Are regulations going to stop a drunk from plowing into the power distribution box feeding your street?

UPS's and surge protectors will not protect against direct lightning strikes. If power lines are down the power will be cut. Regulations demands circuit breakers to break if you overload the circuits. I don't see how dropping a powered on hair dryer into a toilet will kill a computer. I don't see how a surge protector will help you if the power is cut when a drunk is killing a distribution box.

Pure nonsense. Claiming to be a nincompoop doesn't mean you can say naïve nincompoop things.

My first experience with UPS goes back over 50 years when we had whole facility UPS to support our "mission critical" communications systems. The UPS carried our systems until the facility backup generators fired up, stabilized, then kicked in. Hospitals, 911 centers, DCO (phone centers), command posts and more have been using UPS for decades. Nothing "cultural" about it.

Servers and network devices have been protected by UPS for decades too.

The main reasons they have moved down into homes and SOHO networks is because (1) they have become affordable and (2) the realization that surge and spike protectors are severely lacking in their capabilities has come to the masses too.

Your American, right? Yeah. I never even knew what a UPS was until I wanna say around 2006, when I read about it on forums such as this one, when an American would say it was really important to have one. I have never encountered a single swede who has used a surge protector, not even online. It is a cultural thing.

Please note the context here is consumer/home electronics, not business/corporate or hospitals or army or government or anything like that.

 

[freeagent]

UPS's and surge protectors will not protect against direct lightning strikes. If power lines are down the power will be cut. Regulations demands circuit breakers to break if you overload the circuits. I don't see how dropping a powered on hair dryer into a toilet will kill a computer. I don't see how a surge protector will help you if the power is cut when a drunk is killing a distribution box.



Your American, right? Yeah. I never even knew what a UPS was until I wanna say around 2006, when I read about it on forums such as this one, when an American would say it was really important to have one. I have never encountered a single swede who has used a surge protector, not even online. It is a cultural thing.

Please note the context here is consumer/home electronics, not business/corporate or hospitals or army or government or anything like that.

You do realize that our power systems are completely different right?

 

[Frick]

You do realize that our power systems are completely different right?

Yeah. .... Well, also no. It's not that different. It's still AC, generated in the same way and distributed in the same way. Realiabilty isn't that much different, from what I gather (unless you live in Tornado Valley, like Bill, but that is specifically why I used the words "more people should have power protection").

 

[Bill_Bright]

Just because you can't see or understand how one event can affect another, that does not mean it's can't happen.

A simple, "clean" power outage (like flipping a switch) is rarely a problem. I didn't say "never". In some cases, it can still lead to file and drive corruption and data loss.

The problem is, many outages are not simple or "clean". It is not uncommon for outages to be preceded by a quick series of dips, sags, surges and spikes before the power finally drops to 0V. Any of these can result in data corruption or even hardware damage if severe enough.

The other problem is when power is restored to a neighborhood or major section of the grid, it often is not simple or "clean" either. This is because all of sudden, every air conditioner, refrigerator, freezer, and previously turned on lightbulb in the region, at the same point in time, demands maximum power to start up. This puts tremendous loads on the grid - which on a good day may be stressed. This again may result in a series of dips, sags, surges and spikes before the power grid stabilizes.

In many parts of the world, reliability is very different. As I already explained, much of Europe has relatively new infrastructure because it all had to be rebuilt in the 1940s and on. Much of our grid is considerably older. In the middle of the hot summer, intentional and unintentional "rolling brownouts" are not uncommon.

distributed in the same way

Oh? How much of your grid and power to your neighborhoods is done by overhead cables, strung from poles and "dropped" into homes? Or is most of your power distributed via protected underground distribution grids? In new developments here, they go with underground utilities as much as possible. But in older neighborhoods like mine, our power, landline phones, cable TV/Internet are all on poles with overhead cables.

Then of course, many cities and towns are 100s of miles apart or from the nearest power generating plant so we have 1000s and 1000s of high-tension wires criss-crossing the country - all susceptible to high-wind damage, lightning, and other threats.

So I totally disagree it is a "cultural" thing. It is not about customs, social life, religious beliefs or values. It is about fulfilling a genuine technical need to protect our expensive electronics and the [perhaps even more valuable] data on our drives.

 

[freeagent]

Brown outs are real, and they can suck.

If you have the pleasure of dealing with stable power with no problems ever, then congratulations..

Edit:

Looks like we are veering off course here.

 

[dirtyferret]

but in the land of Nascar and Pro Wrestling the only thing you can trust is yourself

Hey! We have other things besides NASCAR and wrestling! We have universal health care, affordable housing, affordable education, democratic government, women's rights, LGBTQ rights, separation of church and state, respected world leaders, strong middle class, public educational system based on STEM,......we have guns and pickup trucks with guns and waffle houses that have parking lots filled with pickup trucks and guns so don't mess with us!!!

 

[Frick]

Just because you can't see ... how one event can affect another, that does not mean it's can't happen.

A simple, "clean" power outage (like flipping a switch) is rarely a problem. I didn't say "never". In some cases, it can still lead to file and drive corruption and data loss.

Yeah sure. Absolutely. And for the record I'm agreeing with your entire post. You're rarely "wrong", Bill. But I'm still saying it's a cultural thing for "knowledgable" consumers to use surge protectors and UPS's.

Oh? How much of your grid and power to your neighborhoods is done by overhead cables, strung from poles and "dropped" into homes? Or is most of your power distributed via protected underground distribution grids? In new developments here, they go with underground utilities as much as possible. But in older neighborhoods like mine, our power, landline phones, cable TV/Internet are all on poles with overhead cables.

Yeah man. Much of rural sweden is that.

Then of course, many cities and towns are 100s of miles apart or from the nearest power generating plant so we have 1000s and 1000s of high-tension wires criss-crossing the country - all susceptible to high-wind damage, lightning, and other threats.

Oh yeah, still how it works here.

So I totally disagree it is a "cultural" thing. It is not about customs, social life, religious beliefs or values. It is about fulfilling a genuine technical need to protect our expensive electronics and the [perhaps even more valuable] data on our drives.

So I gueess this technical need hasn't come over here yet. We had access to a power generator when I grew up, becuase the cows needed milking even during long outages. I still haven't met a single swede, even out in the sticks, who has ever used a surge protector, or a UPS for their computers.

Hey! We have other things besides NASCAR and wrestling! We have universal health care, affordable housing, affordable education, democratic government, women's rights, LGBTQ rights, separation of church and state, respected world leaders, strong middle class, public educational system based on STEM,......we have guns and pickup trucks with guns and waffle houses that have parking lots filled with pickup trucks and guns so don't mess with us!!!

Don't you dare forget Monster Trucks.

 

[Bill_Bright]

But I'm still saying it's a cultural thing for "knowledgable" consumers to use surge protectors and UPS's.

I guess your definition of "cultural thing" is different than mine. Examples of cultural things for me is family, rock, and daily showers. Making my bed everyday, being neighborly. Stopping at stop signs, using my turn signal. Staying under 10mph over. Supporting the Cornhuskers - even when losing. Beef. Saying please and thank you. Potatoes. Beef. BBQ. Tacos. Beer. Tacos and beer. Outdoors. Beef and potatoes - with beer and rock. Four legged cold nosed members of the family.

Nothing there about using surge protectors (which I never use) or having our sensitive electronics protected by UPS.

Now for sure, there are cultures in computing. There is a big gaming culture, for example. And a "bragging rights" culture for those seeking 1 more FPS than the next guy. And who has the biggest monitor or most RGB lighting. But surge and spike protectors and UPS as a cultural thing? Nah!

Edit comment: fixed a couple typos.

 

[inquisitor1]

I dont mind if things go off topic. many intellectuals on this site. I always learn something from them everyday. lock it if it gets "rough"

 

[A Computer Guy]

piece of junk b550m aorus elite. when I first bought it I looked at other boards and said, prices are nuts, but im regretting not going for the next tier up. oh well. now in winter it will run ok, but summer is what im worried about. ghetto modded but mounting antec 200mm fan on the edge of the frame where the door sits to push air down on vrm and a 140mm fan angled from the top at 45 degrees to blow down on vrm. should be ok. at worse ill mount a car radiator fan hahaha

Oh that's right. I thought we already determined that's a 5+3 true phase and would be fine running the CPU at stock. Put some heatsink on the top portion of the VRM if you're worried.

 

[Frick]

I guess your definition of "cultural thing" is different than mine. Examples of cultural things for me is family, rock, and daily showers. Making my bed everyday, being neighborly. Stopping at stop signs, using my turn signal. Staying under 10mph over. Supporting the Cornhuskers - even when losing. Beef. Saying please and thank you. Potatoes. Beef. BBQ. Tacos. Beer. Tacos and beer. Outdoors. Beef and potatoes - with beer and rock. Four legged cold nosed members of the family.

Nothing there about using surge protectors (which I never use) or having our sensitive electronics protected by UPS.

Now for sure, there are cultures in computing. There is a big gaming culture, for example. And a "bragging rights" culture for those seeking 1 more FPS than the next guy. And who has the biggest monitor or most RGB lighting. But surge and spike protectors and UPS as a cultural thing? Nah!

Edit comment: fixed a couple typos.

Fair enough. This is totally off topic, but this kinda reminds me about when I realized that things I knew for a fact was fact and not opinion other people would know for a fact was opinion and not fact.

 

[Waldorf]

@Frick
just because no one is using it, doesnt mean much in regards to the quality of the grid/power line.
how many have "analyzed" their "power" for a longer period, to check for things like fluctuations/noise?

the chance of losing data/bricking any drive etc from a sudden power outage (even if rare), or worse, during any fw update,
and considering how much pc/screen have cost, i rather invest a little bit cleaner (than straight outlet) power, as most decent ups have filter/avr feature.

while i only had 2 times where the area lost power, i hear the UPS switching to battery a few times during a year (without there being a power loss), and im not in the states.
it allows for some battery power to be used for charging stuff like phone/lights if the power really does go out.

its like seatbelts and helmets, you dont wear them because something happens every time you leave the house, its to be prepared, so we wear it the time it counts.

 

[Frick]

@Frick
just because no one is using it, doesnt mean much in regards to the quality of the grid/power line.
how many have "analyzed" their "power" for a longer period, to check for things like fluctuations/noise?

True.

the chance of losing data/bricking any drive etc from a sudden power outage (even if rare), or worse, during any fw update,
and considering how much pc/screen have cost, i rather invest a little bit cleaner (than straight outlet) power, as most decent ups have filter/avr feature.

Ok. FWIW I have never in my entire life encountered a PC that died due to power failures. But sure, maybe the lifespan of one might have been reduced, so instead of let's say 20 years it only lasted 10 years. Let us also say the year is 2004, and would you in the year 2004 use a computer from 1994 as a home PC?

while i only had 2 times where the area lost power, i hear the UPS switching to battery a few times during a year (without there being a power loss), and im not in the states.
it allows for some battery power to be used for charging stuff like phone/lights if the power really does go out.

Sure. Personally I consider a power outage a haven of sorts, and I'm gonna say most people I know IRL will agree with me. Do note we're talking consumer electronics, not corporate or hospitals or army or government or stuff like that, just only stuff in the home.

its like seatbelts and helmets, you dont wear them because something happens every time you leave the house, its to be prepared, so we wear it the time it counts.

NO. It is not the same. If the lifespan of my PC is shortened by a few years I will not die from it. If my desktop doesn't work for a bit I will not die from it. If my PC dies suddendly and I loose that Word document I've spent hours on I will not die from it. Heck, if my expensive desktop completely dies and every single component in it dies I will not die from it.

 

[Bill_Bright]

i hear the UPS switching to battery a few times during a year (without there being a power loss)

This is more common than many people think. Some power fluctuations happen so quickly, we mere humans cannot see them as flickers in the lights. Yet the duration may easily be long enough to disrupt power to computer power supplies. And it is not always about low-voltage events either. A few years ago, I came home to find my lights were still on but every UPS in the house was beeping and flashing.

A quick look at the LCD display panel on my UPS and I immediately notice my line voltage was 146VAC!!! It should have been ~120V. A tap on the transformer supplying power to my side of the street had failed. The UPSs yelling at me saved my electronics, and likely my refrigerator, freezer and AC compressors too - as well as those items belonging to all my neighbors too. This was the one and only time the power company truly acted like it was an emergency. If interested, the full story is in another TPU thread here.

NO. It is not the same.

Come on, Frick. You are just being argumentative again. Waldorf is right and you knew what he meant.

No, it is not life or death, but the point is, having our electronics protected by a good UPS with AVR is like insurance - in case something happens. That's why we wear helmets and seatbelts - in case we get into an accident we have a better chance of surviving - setting aside, of course, in many jurisdictions helmets and seatbelts are required by law.

 

[Waldorf]

@Frick
never said anything regarding pc/parts "life", its about data (loss) in any form.

my comparing was about "preventive" use of things, and not having to "learn a lesson" first, nothing more.
how many have used their spare wheel (solution)? yet, all cars (short of run flat) have one.

 

[Tomgang]

For what i have seen. It´s different from motherboard to motherboard what max power draw a motherboard allows for. Exsample my board will not allow over 200 watt with PBO. To by pass that limit, i have to manuel overclock the CPU.

Stock as all ready mentined max power draw is 141 watt (rated for 105 watt).
stock my cpu max out at 5.050 mhz on the best cores.
Maximum clock i have achieved is 5.25 ghz on the 3 best cores while all 16 cores manage to go to 5 ghz or more..
Maximum stable manuel oc my cooling allowed for was 4,65 ghz on all 16 cores at 1,375 volts vcore. Higher and it would thermal throttle, as my cpu is air cooled.

4,65 ghz all core manuel oc gave me 31238 points in CB2023. stock is around 25600 and PBO is around 29500.