Never buy a Crucial P3 plus 4TB SSD

[Dragokar]

Yes, everything is on newest firmware, including the cacheless worthless SSD.

And did you contact Lenovo and Crucial? Since the latest update, I didn't get any report about problems anymore. How did you check the firmware? Is the issue also there in an external usb case? By the way, next time, don't buy blind. Usually as an experienced person you always have to check what are you buying.

 

[Waldorf]

@micropage7
any non defective drive no matter the tech behind it, is fine to use.
not having backups (if that data is so important) is the issue.

 

[WhiteNoise]

I have three Crucial P3 Plus SSDs, which all work flawlessly. I just threw that in here considering the thread title.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

The boot up time is slower on the P3 plus vs the intel 660p, takes 2-3 times longer.

Yours sounds like a faulty SSD. Especially the one hanging on normal use, is faulty or counterfeit. Did you check the event log to see if you're getting drive-related errors?
It may be a bug that Windows has with some SSD and chipset combos, where the Windows driver keeps resetting the controller.

 

[A&P211]

Yours sounds like a faulty SSD. Especially the one hanging on normal use, is faulty or counterfeit. Did you check the event log to see if you're getting drive-related errors?
It may be a bug that Windows has with some SSD and chipset combos, where the Windows driver keeps resetting the controller.

I wanna say that both SSDs worked fine, its just the when I do multiple things it hangs. Everything was update to newest firmware checked with the crucial app thing. It said no updated firmware needed.

I moved on to a better SSD, this cacheless crap SSD was put to storage duty in the 2nd m.2 slot.

Yours sounds like a faulty SSD. Especially the one hanging on normal use, is faulty or counterfeit. Did you check the event log to see if you're getting drive-related errors?
It may be a bug that Windows has with some SSD and chipset combos, where the Windows driver keeps resetting the controller.

not faulty, both SSDs performed just fine if it was doing 1 thing at a time.

I have three Crucial P3 Plus SSDs, which all work flawlessly. I just threw that in here considering the thread title.

They work fine if only doing 1 thing at a time.

And did you contact Lenovo and Crucial? Since the latest update, I didn't get any report about problems anymore. How did you check the firmware? Is the issue also there in an external usb case? By the way, next time, don't buy blind. Usually as an experienced person you always have to check what are you buying.

I have no need to contact any company, both items work just fine. Laptop has a new 8tb SSD from my personal laptop, runs just fine, its TLC cache SSD. Works 100% fine and so does laptop.

@micropage7
any non defective drive no matter the tech behind it, is fine to use.
not having backups (if that data is so important) is the issue.

I backup any data to the company's cloud account.

 

[A Computer Guy]

I wanna say that both SSDs worked fine, its just the when I do multiple things it hangs. Everything was update to newest firmware checked with the crucial app thing. It said no updated firmware needed.

They should still be able to do more than one thing at a time. If they can't I would consider that faulty. I had the old P1's and P2's, while not breadwinners, they were always able to do more than one thing at a time and functioned well except for really large file writes where performance naturally suffered. Even though they are cacheless they are supposed to be using HMB.

They work fine if only doing 1 thing at a time.

It almost sounds like you got USB stick flash behavior on your drives. Have you tried to peel back the stickers and check the chips and perhaps compare them to TPU screenshots if they have them in the database?


Micron seems to have specific drivers for the P3 have you tried those?

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

They should still be able to do more than one thing at a time. If they can't I would consider that faulty.

It almost sounds like you got USB stick flash behavior on your drives. Have you tried to peel back the stickers and check the chips and perhaps compare them to TPU screenshots if they have them in the database?

That's why I also said to check the event log for signs of Windows repeatedly resetting the controller.

 

[Dr. Dro]

yeah, experimenting with cacheless and doing big things you normally do with a real cache based ssd doesnt work well.

You never find out till you really multitask like you were.

Somehow I don't think it's a DRAM vs no DRAM issue. Funny thing: I own both the original WD Black SN750 (which has a Gen 3 interface, BiCS 3 NAND and DRAM cache) and the SN750 SE (Gen 4 interface, BiCS 4 NAND, HMB only), both in identical 500 GB capacity. The two drives have indistinguishable performance to one another, as far as I can tell. If anything, the DRAM-less SE should have a slight edge in performance due to faster Gen 4 compatible controller and newer NAND despite relying on HMB for caching. Regardless, I cannot tell them apart and freezes, even with the drive nearly full, do not occur.

 

[RJARRRPCGP]

I don't remember freezing issues, even with an SSD that appears to use HMB. Had an NVMe 1 TB SSD with HMB, according to the SSD package box and Windows still performed fine.

It was the same box that I use for testing 24H2 and before installing 24H2, I ended up just going to my Samsung 970 Evo Plus 250 GB SSD.

 

[PassportBro]

its not about good or bad. Lenovo has poor quality control in general. Some of their stuff (same model) fail early, some last a long time. Its complete luck.


amen to that (i use a thinkpad for work)

Ι have owned a Lenovo Skylake (6th Gen) laptop since uh, 2016.

It's not a "thinkpad", "ideapad", "yogapad" or w/e pad. Nothin' fancy. Just a lenovo laptop with an i5 Skylake CPU that lenovo didn't bother to come up with a name for it. I can't remember the exact model offhand but it's just a bunch of random letters and numbers.

Since 2016 I have disassembled the laptop a number of times to upgrade the RAM and replace the HDD with a Crucial MX-500 SSD.

In addition, I have traveled with it pretty much all around the world from Alaska to Tierra Del Fuego to Cape Town to SE Asia to Philippines to Vietnam and back. I have dropped it down on the deck a few times and one time the vessel I was aboard took a heavy port side list of about 27 degrees, pretty close to the angle of deck immersion, so my laptop slid from my office desk and hit the metal deck of the vessel.

It's like a cat as far as I am concerned as it has survived so many times. A lesser laptop, say an HP or a DELL one, would have died like 10 times already.

Further, when I am traveling, I game on it daily for many hours. The GPU is a Radeon M330. I have spent hundreds of hours gaming on this laptop over the years with the GPU overclocked to the max. We are talking about an 100 MHz Core OC and 250 MHz RAM OC and the GPU at 70 degrees C or so.

Lesser laptops would have melted like 5 years ago and the GPU would have died like 5 times already.

So I dunno Oh Great One, but it seems to this humble joe here that my cheap Lenovo laptop has given an awfully good account of itself. Course, for some ppl nothing is ever good enough. I know.

 

[A&P211]

I really dont care anymore, the SSD is used as storage, the laptop works with this new drive. The drive is still a POS. It had freezing issues becuase the drive was going at 100%.

 

[Frick]

Ι have owned a Lenovo Skylake (6th Gen) laptop since uh, 2016.

It's not a "thinkpad", "ideapad", "yogapad" or w/e pad. Nothin' fancy. Just a lenovo laptop with an i5 Skylake CPU that lenovo didn't bother to come up with a name for it. I can't remember the exact model offhand but it's just a bunch of random letters and numbers.

Since 2016 I have disassembled the laptop a number of times to upgrade the RAM and replace the HDD with a Crucial MX-500 SSD.

In addition, I have traveled with it pretty much all around the world from Alaska to Tierra Del Fuego to Cape Town to SE Asia to Philippines to Vietnam and back. I have dropped it down on the deck a few times and one time the vessel I was aboard took a heavy port side list of about 27 degrees, pretty close to the angle of deck immersion, so my laptop slid from my office desk and hit the metal deck of the vessel.

It's like a cat as far as I am concerned as it has survived so many times. A lesser laptop, say an HP or a DELL one, would have died like 10 times already.

Further, when I am traveling, I game on it daily for many hours. The GPU is a Radeon M330. I have spent hundreds of hours gaming on this laptop over the years with the GPU overclocked to the max. We are talking about an 100 MHz Core OC and 250 MHz RAM OC and the GPU at 70 degrees C or so.

Lesser laptops would have melted like 5 years ago and the GPU would have died like 5 times already.

So I dunno Oh Great One, but it seems to this humble joe here that my cheap Lenovo laptop has given an awfully good account of itself. Course, for some ppl nothing is ever good enough. I know.

Why the snark at the end? In 2016 laptops of that type were generallt a lot better than they have been the last few years. And note he said "some last a long time", and yours did.

 

[de.das.dude]

Ι have owned a Lenovo Skylake (6th Gen) laptop since uh, 2016.

It's not a "thinkpad", "ideapad", "yogapad" or w/e pad. Nothin' fancy. Just a lenovo laptop with an i5 Skylake CPU that lenovo didn't bother to come up with a name for it. I can't remember the exact model offhand but it's just a bunch of random letters and numbers.

Since 2016 I have disassembled the laptop a number of times to upgrade the RAM and replace the HDD with a Crucial MX-500 SSD.

In addition, I have traveled with it pretty much all around the world from Alaska to Tierra Del Fuego to Cape Town to SE Asia to Philippines to Vietnam and back. I have dropped it down on the deck a few times and one time the vessel I was aboard took a heavy port side list of about 27 degrees, pretty close to the angle of deck immersion, so my laptop slid from my office desk and hit the metal deck of the vessel.

It's like a cat as far as I am concerned as it has survived so many times. A lesser laptop, say an HP or a DELL one, would have died like 10 times already.

Further, when I am traveling, I game on it daily for many hours. The GPU is a Radeon M330. I have spent hundreds of hours gaming on this laptop over the years with the GPU overclocked to the max. We are talking about an 100 MHz Core OC and 250 MHz RAM OC and the GPU at 70 degrees C or so.

Lesser laptops would have melted like 5 years ago and the GPU would have died like 5 times already.

So I dunno Oh Great One, but it seems to this humble joe here that my cheap Lenovo laptop has given an awfully good account of itself. Course, for some ppl nothing is ever good enough. I know.

let me stop you by saying.... 2016 was 8 years ago.... thats a lonnnnnng time.

2016... i had just staretd working ... i have changed my setup 2 times since then, even more so if you count work laptop changes.

there is a reason big companies dont give/leash lenovo laptops for their employees, other than the thinkpad series. rest use dell latitude, hp elitebook, and some, even asus and acer ones is pretty rare these days

 

[A&P211]

let me stop you by saying.... 2016 was 8 years ago.... thats a lonnnnnng time.

2016... i had just staretd working ... i have changed my setup 2 times since then, even more so if you count work laptop changes.

there is a reason big companies dont give/leash lenovo laptops for their employees, other than the thinkpad series. rest use dell latitude, hp elitebook, and some, even asus and acer ones is pretty rare these days

my company gives me money to buy what ever laptop I choice. I found this Lenovo LOQ used for $600, without SSD and ram, I already had those. But it depends on the company. My last company I worked at, they used HP elitebooks.

 

[eidairaman1]

my company gives me money to buy what ever laptop I choice. I found this Lenovo LOQ used for $600, without SSD and ram, I already had those. But it depends on the company. My last company I worked at, they used HP elitebooks.

Well i believe you resolved your own issue and now know that sometimes its better to buy direct than a middleman.

In my experience i had a sshd from seagate and the power savings function built into the firmware was too agressive and no way to adjust it that i replaced it with a velociraptor. If seagate provided a seatool boot disk to adjust the firmware settings that would have resolved the drives constant spin and then headpark.

 

[A&P211]

Well i believe you resolved your own issue and now know that sometimes its better to buy direct than a middleman.

In my experience i had a sshd from seagate and the power savings function built into the firmware was too agressive and no way to adjust it that i replaced it with a velociraptor. If seagate provided a seatool boot disk to adjust the firmware settings that would have resolved the drives constant spin and then headpark.

I think I'll dont buy and SSD without cache.

I those those sshd, I had the 2tb version, the ssd storage only had 8gb, i think. They where very reliable, I had 2, 1 in the laptop and 1 for an external. They where pretty speedy for a 7.5mm HD.

 

[Launcestonian]

I tried with with 2 different SSDs, the 1st one was returned, both SSD had same issue. ...

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This raises alarm bells!
I think the used laptop has issues with its drive controller on the motherboard. Investing in a used laptop is just too risky imo. For all the buyer knows, the seller could have used as a football or something, like literally throwing it around.... Seriously, some people don't care, they think a laptop is a portable piece of tech to be abused. I mean 2 different SSDs have the same problem in the same device?? either that's extreme bad luck with drives or the problem is the motherboard in the laptop.

 

[A&P211]

This raises alarm bells!
I think the used laptop has issues with its drive controller on the motherboard. Investing in a used laptop is just too risky imo. For all the buyer knows, the seller could have used as a football or something, like literally throwing it around.... Seriously, some people don't care, they think a laptop is a portable piece of tech to be abused. I mean 2 different SSDs have the same problem in the same device?? either that's extreme bad luck with drives or the problem is the motherboard in the laptop.

Works fine with the current SSD, this SSD has been in 2 laptops, all fine.

 

[Dragokar]

Well, so basically you did not solve any issue and does not care about it since you choose another way of dealing with problems. That's fine for your use case, but it does not shout out that the P3+ is a so called pos, it simply does not work in the circumstances that you faced. (which were properly fixed)

Just a tiny advice, check before buying, since not everything can be solved with money. Sometimes you need to search and gather knowledge and pass it forward. That's how humans evolve, at least some of them.

I am fine that it got solved for you, but not how you worded and acted in some of your postings.

 

[A Computer Guy]

Works fine with the current SSD, this SSD has been in 2 laptops, all fine.

Are your laptops normally operating in power saving mode? I had a thought that some NVMe might react differently under power saving mode. Just a few weeks ago I forgot I had my PC in power saving mode to test idle power usage and was baffled for a bit why I couldn't get my NIC to do more than 500Mbps. I imagine power saving mode could have performance limiting issues for NVMe as well.

 

[Caring1]

I doubt running an NVME drive that doesn't have Cache at 100% is going to cause it to freeze or crash, if anything thermals are more likely to do that.
Running that drive at 100% will only cause it to slow down.
The Crucial P3 plus is EOL anyway and superseded already.

 

[remixedcat]

let me stop you by saying.... 2016 was 8 years ago.... thats a lonnnnnng time.

2016... i had just staretd working ... i have changed my setup 2 times since then, even more so if you count work laptop changes.

there is a reason big companies dont give/leash lenovo laptops for their employees, other than the thinkpad series. rest use dell latitude, hp elitebook, and some, even asus and acer ones is pretty rare these days

all the biz around here use lenovo thinkcenter sff systems, dell optiplex mixed, and dell latitude laptops. and some thinkpad P and T series laptops. but the bulk of the laptops are dell latitudes.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I really dont care anymore, the SSD is used as storage, the laptop works with this new drive. The drive is still a POS. It had freezing issues becuase the drive was going at 100%.

I would send it back if it's having issues like that.

 

[A&P211]

I would send it back if it's having issues like that.

I wish I can, it passed the Amazon 30 day return windows by weeks. I was on vacation when it arrived.
Its on storage duty, its not doing a bad job in storage duty.