New Build Help Request

[oxrufiioxo]

Its a stupid nomenclature Lian Li is using for the product line that is easily confused when searching for reviews on it. The one you referred to is an pc-011d-rog while the other is the non-rog certified product. If the specs are correct on Lian Li's website, then I would gladly use that case over the View 71.
I'll have to figure out where I can put the radiators depending on how much length I have to play with between the radiators & the GPU/CPU. I might have to put the 360mm CPU radiator on the top(exhaust) and the 360mm GPU radiator on the bottom(intake) + 3x 120mm fans on the side(intake) and 1x 120mm fan on the back(exhaust). Sound good?

I would do the cpu on the side exhaust and the gpu at the top... on the 011 dynamic XL.... With AIO the inlet/outlet needs to be above the CPU/GPU.
I guess you could do gpu with its tubes down with the side mounting position.


Dual AIO isn't really ideal for any case.... but the 011 dynamic gives you the best chance of it working...


Like this....




Or this but with a 360 in top.... This is the smaller variant which has less room the XL has more space.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Ok, for Intake:
360mm CPU radiator side, 3x 120mm bottom

For exhaust:
360mm GPU radiator top, 1x 120mm rear

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Ok, for Intake:
360mm CPU radiator side, 3x 120mm bottom

For exhaust:
360mm GPU radiator top, 1x 120mm rear

You'll probably have to mess around with it to see what works best

Top/side/rear exhaust with bottom intake may work better with the bottom fans spinning faster than the rest..... You'll have to experiment especially once you add a 3rd gpu.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

You'll probably have to mess around with it to see what works best

Top/side/rear exhaust with bottom intake may work better with the bottom fans spinning faster than the rest..... You'll have to experiment especially once you add a 3rd gpu.

I doubt I'll be adding a 3rd GPU any time soon since I'll have a Kingpin RTX 3090 & RTX A6000.
The thing I see with only having the bottom fans as intakes is I might end up with a lot more air going out of the case than going in if both the CPU & GPU are taxed with rendering(which might crop up if I use both GPUs). Not sure if this would be a good or bad thing other than having more dust build up over time.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

With mine i do side/bottom intake and top/rear exhaust it work's really well.... I run intake 600-800rpm and exhaust 800-1000rpm

 

[MentalAcetylide]

If you look at the actual manufacturers spec page this is what it says

PSU	220 mm (max 280mm)

Not sure why TPU has it listed as 210...... Maybe it's a copy and paste from the smaller variant. But even it can support a larger psu than 210mm



Even the standard version supports a larger than 210mm if you look at the manufacturers spec page.....

PSU	2，(L)210mm~255mm(max)

Oh you can't use the metal bracket for anything longer than 220mm on the XL or 210mm on the standard with it removed its 255mm and 280mm.

Lian Li has quite a few different versions/models of that particular case and it is very very difficult to find. Fortunately, we were able to get the one I was after which means no issue with the PS. This is where I'm at now with regards to parts:

*CASE: Lian Li O11DXL-X O11 Dynamic XL ROG Certified (Black) ATX Full Tower Gaming Computer Case (Acquired)
*CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X (Acquired)
*PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1600 T2, 80+ TITANIUM 1600W (Acquired)
*GRAPHICS CARD: EVGA Kingpin RTX 3090 w/ 360mm radiator (Acquired)

Parts selection changed/updated:
*MOTHERBOARD: MSI Creator TRX40 Motherboard (Acquired)
*CASE/RADIATOR FANS: Thermaltake Riing Quad 12 RGB Radiator Fan TT Premium Edition x10.
*OS DRIVE: from Seagate Firecuda 520 2TB Performance Internal Solid State Drive SSD PCIe Gen4 to 2TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Solid State Drive with Heatsink.
*CPU COOLER: from Thermaltake Floe DX RGB 360 TT Premium Edition to Asus Ryujin 360.
*MONITOR: from ASUS ROG Swift PG278QR 27" 2560x1440 165 Hz 4ms Monitor to ASUS ROG Strix XG279Q 27” HDR Gaming Monitor, 1440P WQHD (2560 x 1440), Fast IPS, 170Hz, G-SYNC Compatible, Extreme Low Motion Blur Sync (ELMB SYNC), 1ms DisplayHDR.

The Sabrent comes with a decent heat sink and is more readily available. The hose configuration(specifically on the cpu side) on the cpu cooler is more flexible for different radiator orientations vs the Thermaltake. As for the monitor, its like $500+ cheaper than the ROG Swift, and slightly faster. The ASUS motherboard I was after wasn't available, so I opted to go with MSI's. Moving along here slowly, but surely.

 

[claes]

(Check the post above yours)

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Lian Li has quite a few different versions/models of that particular case and it is very very difficult to find. Fortunately, we were able to get the one I was after which means no issue with the PS. This is where I'm at now with regards to parts:

*CASE: Lian Li O11DXL-X O11 Dynamic XL ROG Certified (Black) ATX Full Tower Gaming Computer Case (Acquired)
*CPU: AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X (Acquired)
*PSU: EVGA SuperNOVA 1600 T2, 80+ TITANIUM 1600W (Acquired)
*GRAPHICS CARD: EVGA Kingpin RTX 3090 w/ 360mm radiator (Acquired)

Parts selection changed/updated:
*MOTHERBOARD: MSI Creator TRX40 Motherboard (Acquired)
*CASE/RADIATOR FANS: Thermaltake Riing Quad 12 RGB Radiator Fan TT Premium Edition x10.
*OS DRIVE: from Seagate Firecuda 520 2TB Performance Internal Solid State Drive SSD PCIe Gen4 to 2TB Rocket Q4 NVMe PCIe 4.0 M.2 2280 Internal SSD Solid State Drive with Heatsink.
*CPU COOLER: from Thermaltake Floe DX RGB 360 TT Premium Edition to Asus Ryujin 360.
*MONITOR: from ASUS ROG Swift PG278QR 27" 2560x1440 165 Hz 4ms Monitor to ASUS ROG Strix XG279Q 27” HDR Gaming Monitor, 1440P WQHD (2560 x 1440), Fast IPS, 170Hz, G-SYNC Compatible, Extreme Low Motion Blur Sync (ELMB SYNC), 1ms DisplayHDR.

The Sabrent comes with a decent heat sink and is more readily available. The hose configuration(specifically on the cpu side) on the cpu cooler is more flexible for different radiator orientations vs the Thermaltake. As for the monitor, its like $500+ cheaper than the ROG Swift, and slightly faster. The ASUS motherboard I was after wasn't available, so I opted to go with MSI's. Moving along here slowly, but surely.

well, too late i guess

(Check the post above yours)

Damn, cant believe members of this thread, never warned him against threadripper for gaming builds, an R9 5950X would have been a better overall CPU for his use case

 

[MentalAcetylide]

well, too late i guess


Damn, cant believe members of this thread, never warned him against threadripper for gaming builds, an R9 5950X would have been a better overall CPU for his use case

Warn me about what? Are you saying that I can't game with it, and if so why not? What did we miss?
Did you read my original post?
It is my understanding that Threadrippers are on par with the other non-Threadripper CPUs in regards to gaming performance(NOT INCLUDING manual OC'ing). Now, had this particular system I'm having built were going to be used strictly for gaming then yes, I would agree with you since having a bunch of extra cores & RAM would be a waste and I would be spending a lot of extra money for nothing.
However, this isn't the case. I want to be able to do both gaming & rendering(not necessarily always at the same time) on the same system, so the only logical option would be to get a 24-core Threadripper, which would be the sweet spot in regards to CPU clock speed for games & a higher core-count for programs that can take advantage of it.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

Warn me about what? Are you saying that I can't game with it, and if so why not? What did we miss?
Did you read my original post?
It is my understanding that Threadrippers are on par with the other non-Threadripper CPUs in regards to gaming performance(NOT INCLUDING manual OC'ing). Now, had this particular system I'm having built were going to be used strictly for gaming then yes, I would agree with you since having a bunch of extra cores & RAM would be a waste and I would be spending a lot of extra money for nothing.
However, this isn't the case. I want to be able to do both gaming & rendering(not necessarily always at the same time) on the same system, so the only logical option would be to get a 24-core Threadripper, which would be the sweet spot in regards to CPU clock speed for games & a higher core-count for programs that can take advantage of it.

Thread rippers are mutli chiplet designs, meaning its essentially two CPUs glued together at once and are communicating together trough a link, this creates latency issues wish results in stuttering in some games, Thread rippers are great for servers, and rendering machines, but the moment gaming comes to mind get something els like a Ryzne 5950X,

Many say that the 5950X is the perfect sweet spot for powerful rendering workstation machine AND gaming, sadly, the "enthusiast" in this thread failed to inform you this, wooo 24 cores yeah baby, many cores = much gayming, lol

 

[claes]

Know-it-all doesn’t read a thread and then insults everyone lol

Stay classy TPU

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Thread rippers are mutli chiplet designs, meaning its essentially two CPUs glued together at once and are communicating together trough a link, this creates latency issues wish results in stuttering in some games, Thread rippers are great for servers, and rendering machines, but the moment gaming comes to mind get something els like a Ryzne 5950X,

Many say that the 5950X is the perfect sweet spot for powerful rendering workstation machine AND gaming, sadly, the "enthusiast" in this thread failed to inform you this, wooo 24 cores yeah baby, many cores = much gayming, lol

Have you read any of my other posts in this thread? I'm not trying to take the piss here, but you're completely missing the point(repeatedly) that my intended build is to be multi-functional.

As an example, maybe this is the choppiness/stuttering to which you're referring?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjL8Kroke3wAhWPWM0KHVb_BHIQFjAUegQIFBAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pcgamer.com%2Famds-threadripper-3990x-can-run-crysis-without-a-graphics-card%2F&usg=AOvVaw12ZGbg43NGN6d2EgMo4thr

So lets say I went with a 5950X and this motherboard:

MEG X570 GODLIKE | Motherboard | MSI Global

Best AMD AM4 X570 EATX gaming motherboard, lightning PCIe 4.0, five lightning M.2, Frozr Heatsink, Killer LAN, WiFi 6, 6.3mm audio jack, USB 3.2 Gen 2 and Mystic Light , M.2 heatsink, OLED, infinity LED, best overclocking, extended heat-pipe, MSI GAMING

www.msi.com

So now what? I'm stuck at 128Gb RAM max & two graphics cards while not being able to add anymore graphics cards for rendering due to insufficient RAM. Sure, I'll still be able to add more graphics cards to the board, but they will be useless. Sorry, but this is nothing short of stupid.
If I don't have to buy 2 systems(one for gaming & one for rendering), I'm not going to. At least with the Threadripper system I selected, I can upgrade to more RAM(and I will be upgrading it later on). If I find that I need a separate gaming desktop, then I can get one at a fraction of the cost of this current one and it certainly won't need an RTX 3090.
To be honest, I don't believe I'll need a different system for gaming and think a lot of the "stuttering" claims is blown a bit out of proportion; especially when most(if not all) of the actual rendering is done by the freakin graphics card and I won't be jacking game graphics setting up to the ultra-max & redlining the FPS...

Know-it-all doesn’t read a thread and then insults everyone lol

Stay classy TPU

Yes, some people just see "gaming" and "Threadripper" together in the same post and just go batshit crazy without realizing there's more to the post. As I said, I think the issue of stuttering with gaming on a Threadripper is overblown. A lot of that is down to the game engine used, graphics settings/drivers, etc.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

Thread rippers are mutli chiplet designs, meaning its essentially two CPUs glued together at once and are communicating together trough a link, this creates latency issues wish results in stuttering in some games, Thread rippers are great for servers, and rendering machines, but the moment gaming comes to mind get something els like a Ryzne 5950X,

Many say that the 5950X is the perfect sweet spot for powerful rendering workstation machine AND gaming, sadly, the "enthusiast" in this thread failed to inform you this, wooo 24 cores yeah baby, many cores = much gayming, lol

UPDATE: The only thing I could immediately find relevant was,
"The biggest problem gaming with Threadripper is the NUMA nodes, The cores in the CPU are separated into NUMA nodes, which helps managing memory for a large amount of cores. So if the game uses cores from different NUMA nodes performance will tank."

Now whether this is 100% accurate info or not, I couldn't tell you since its almost a year old and probably relates to the previous generation of Threadrippers. Found in a discussion here:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1218555-gaming-on-threadripper-vs-normal-ryzen/

While no doubt the 5950X is better suited for gaming from a financial & hardware spec perspective, to say that the Threadripper(specifically the 3960X 24-core) wouldn't be an acceptable gaming platform due to stuttering is just silly. Also, if the multi-core function was that inefficient on a Threadripper, nobody would be buying them.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

UPDATE: The only thing I could immediately find relevant was,
"The biggest problem gaming with Threadripper is the NUMA nodes, The cores in the CPU are separated into NUMA nodes, which helps managing memory for a large amount of cores. So if the game uses cores from different NUMA nodes performance will tank."

Now whether this is 100% accurate info or not, I couldn't tell you since its almost a year old and probably relates to the previous generation of Threadrippers. Found in a discussion here:
https://linustechtips.com/topic/1218555-gaming-on-threadripper-vs-normal-ryzen/

While no doubt the 5950X is better suited for gaming from a financial & hardware spec perspective, to say that the Threadripper(specifically the 3960X 24-core) wouldn't be an acceptable gaming platform due to stuttering is just silly. Also, if the multi-core function was that inefficient on a Threadripper, nobody would be buying them.

looking at your part selection, i dont even want to think how much you spend on your build, but next time when you have that much cash to blow, spend a solid day reading reviews instead of asking on forums, professional reviews will paint a clear picture on how every part performs across multiple use cases, where as form members will give you wildly inconsistent suggestions, based on brand loyalty or what not, and spoiler alert, no reviews recommends thread ripper for gaming due to obvious reasons that you would have came aware of if you read reviews, 5950x is much faster in games and have no latency issues because its a CPU designed for extreme home builds, not servers.

Hope you learn from this, listen to reviews, not forums.

I hope your build gives you the satisfactory performance that you desire

o now what? I'm stuck at 128Gb RAM max & two graphics cards while not being able to add anymore graphics cards for rendering due to insufficient RAM. Sure, I'll still be able to add more graphics cards to the board, but they will be useless. Sorry, but this is nothing short of stupid

In what world wher you would need more than 128Gb for anything !!!

To be honest, I don't believe I'll need a different system for gaming and think a lot of the "stuttering" claims is blown a bit out of proportion; especially when most(if not all) of the actual rendering is done by the freakin graphics card and I won't be jacking game graphics setting up to the ultra-max & redlining the FPS...

The CPU has to buffer the frames first before the graphics card can render them, and since the threadripper have high CPU core communication latency, there might be delayed from frame to frame before it reaches the GPU to render them which results in micro stutters, gaming is a latency sensitive scenario. Am sorry if am sounding like a duchbag but am telling you this so that next time, you pay close attention and read reviews extensively instead of asking forms

Just because something on paper have higher core count, and a higher price tag, dos not mean it will perform better in some instances, nothing is perfect

 

[MentalAcetylide]

looking at your part selection, i dont even want to think how much you spend on your build, but next time when you have that much cash to blow, spend a solid day reading reviews instead of asking on forums, professional reviews will paint a clear picture on how every part performs across multiple use cases, where as form members will give you wildly inconsistent suggestions, based on brand loyalty or what not, and spoiler alert, no reviews recommends thread ripper for gaming due to obvious reasons that you would have came aware of if you read reviews, 5950x is much faster in games and have no latency issues because its a CPU designed for extreme home builds, not servers.

Hope you learn from this, listen to reviews, not forums.

I hope your build gives you the satisfactory performance that you desire

First of all, I have a professional building my system that has been doing this kind of stuff for most of his life: rebuilding old Apple/Radio Shack computers, servicing/repairing/building modern servers, gaming systems, etc. My main purpose in coming here was to get a good idea of what I can & cannot do in regards to parts vs. system needs from other individuals with more experience than me. If something wasn't right or there were cheaper alternatives available that would give me the same/similar performance/aesthetics, he would point it out and make recommendations.

Secondly, you're completely ignoring my other needs and are offering advice from a perspective that is 100% obtusely fixated on redline gaming. I mean, how many times do I have to explain to you the purpose in building this system? I already told you that a 5950X will not support more than 128Gb RAM, which is barely enough for an RTX A6000 if I don't try to use the full 48Gb VRAM in iray renders.

Thirdly, the only biased suggestions I'm seeing are coming from you, believe it or not, and its getting to the point where you're just trolling. The reason no reviews recommend a Threadripper for gaming(and that's a GAMING ONLY system) is because its a stupid-ass investment due to the fact that there are much cheaper alternatives that perform better when it comes to price vs. performance in games. Nevertheless, Threadrippers perform quite well when it comes to gaming:

The AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X and 3970X Review: 24 and 32 Cores on 7nm

www.anandtech.com

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X Review

AMD's 24-core Ryzen Threadripper 3960X is not as outright powerful as its 32-core big brother, but it offers plenty of punch for the price, still trouncing Intel's closest competition in the Core i9-10980XE Extreme Edition.

www.pcmag.com

AMD Threadripper 3970X and 3960X Review: High-End Domination

Threadripper gets a big bump, thanks to 7nm, Zen 2 and PCIe 4.0.

www.tomshardware.com

The games that do yield inconsistent framerates when running on a 3960X(or other higher-core TRs) are few and I do not play them anyway... I believe I'm getting exactly what I need. Its not the best gaming system, but its certainly very far from the worst and I'll be able to render larger scenes faster & probably a host of other things that I wouldn't be able to do with a 5950X.

 

[Solid State Soul ( SSS )]

First of all, I have a professional building my system that has been doing this kind of stuff for most of his life: rebuilding old Apple/Radio Shack computers, servicing/repairing/building modern servers, gaming systems, etc. My main purpose in coming here was to get a good idea of what I can & cannot do in regards to parts vs. system needs from other individuals with more experience than me. If something wasn't right or there were cheaper alternatives available that would give me the same/similar performance/aesthetics, he would point it out and make recommendations.

Secondly, you're completely ignoring my other needs and are offering advice from a perspective that is 100% obtusely fixated on redline gaming. I mean, how many times do I have to explain to you the purpose in building this system? I already told you that a 5950X will not support more than 128Gb RAM, which is barely enough for an RTX A6000 if I don't try to use the full 48Gb VRAM in iray renders.

Thirdly, the only biased suggestions I'm seeing are coming from you, believe it or not, and its getting to the point where you're just trolling. The reason no reviews recommend a Threadripper for gaming(and that's a GAMING ONLY system) is because its a stupid-ass investment due to the fact that there are much cheaper alternatives that perform better when it comes to price vs. performance in games. Nevertheless, Threadrippers perform quite well when it comes to gaming:

The AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X and 3970X Review: 24 and 32 Cores on 7nm

www.anandtech.com

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3960X Review

AMD's 24-core Ryzen Threadripper 3960X is not as outright powerful as its 32-core big brother, but it offers plenty of punch for the price, still trouncing Intel's closest competition in the Core i9-10980XE Extreme Edition.

www.pcmag.com

AMD Threadripper 3970X and 3960X Review: High-End Domination

Threadripper gets a big bump, thanks to 7nm, Zen 2 and PCIe 4.0.

www.tomshardware.com

The games that do yield inconsistent framerates when running on a 3960X(or other higher-core TRs) are few and I do not play them anyway... I believe I'm getting exactly what I need. Its not the best gaming system, but its certainly very far from the worst and I'll be able to render larger scenes faster & probably a host of other things that I wouldn't be able to do with a 5950X.

Fair enough, enjoy your build, cheers.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

In what world wher you would need more than 128Gb for anything !!!

In the world of iray rendering. You can easily exceed 128Gb RAM when near-fully utilizing 48Gb VRAM on the A6000, depending on the scene being rendered, caustics, texture compression, etc.

 

[MentalAcetylide]

All of the parts are in except for the case fans(which had to be re-shipped since the original shipment ended up somewhere in Europe) and the RTX A6000(NVidia, not a PNY), which was just ordered a few days ago. I was at the shop today and got a look at some of the parts. The Trident Z Royal RAM looks really nice! The sticks came in 4 separate boxes as pairs. 8 x 16 Gb.
To think 4.5 months have passed since starting it?! I think a house can be built quicker than this, foundation and all, no? Well, there is a shortage of lumber currently, too.
When its all said & done, I'll be glad & I'm definitely going to get some pictures posted of the completed build!

 

[maxfly]

From what ive seen theres been exactly ONE member thats posted in this thread who actually had a tr rig(very much in line with what the OP was planning on building) funny how he never mentioned anything about gaming issues...Hmmm?
Good to see you stuck to your guns and built the best rig for your needs OP! Enjoy that that badboy!

 

[thesmokingman]

From what ive seen theres been exactly ONE member thats posted in this thread who actually had a tr rig(very much in line with what the OP was planning on building) funny how he never mentioned anything about gaming issues...Hmmm?
Good to see you stuck to your guns and built the best rig for your needs OP! Enjoy that that badboy!

Here's the rig I built two years ago. Gaming...? It slays games but that's not what it was built for. I did do a FSU run with 8 dimms populated with a mild overclock... lol.

I scored 15 460 in Fire Strike Ultra

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti x 2, 131072 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

All of the parts are in except for the case fans(which had to be re-shipped since the original shipment ended up somewhere in Europe) and the RTX A6000(NVidia, not a PNY), which was just ordered a few days ago. I was at the shop today and got a look at some of the parts. The Trident Z Royal RAM looks really nice! The sticks came in 4 separate boxes as pairs. 8 x 16 Gb.
To think 4.5 months have passed since starting it?! I think a house can be built quicker than this, foundation and all, no? Well, there is a shortage of lumber currently, too.
When its all said & done, I'll be glad & I'm definitely going to get some pictures posted of the completed build!

I would avoid the case you chose. That's a bling case not great for a production rig that will be pushed hard on the regular. I'd also avoid an aio, again not enough cooling and I don't give a five what anyone says.

Build: 3970x, dual 2080ti, 8TB m.2 RAID = Render Monster

I'm building a render machine for work on a variety of applications. It will be an investment in reducing completion times in rendering and content creation workloads. This is a build for an old college buddy who works in the industry. On to the component list. Also, going to start with two...

hardforum.com

 

[MentalAcetylide]

From what ive seen theres been exactly ONE member thats posted in this thread who actually had a tr rig(very much in line with what the OP was planning on building) funny how he never mentioned anything about gaming issues...Hmmm?
Good to see you stuck to your guns and built the best rig for your needs OP! Enjoy that that badboy!

Thanks! When it comes down to it, rendering will be more important than the gaming, and if for some reason or other gaming takes a nosedive on the system, I can have a much smaller system built at a tiny fraction of the cost of this system later on.

Here's the rig I built two years ago. Gaming...? It slays games but that's not what it was built for. I did do a FSU run with 8 dimms populated with a mild overclock... lol.

I scored 15 460 in Fire Strike Ultra

AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti x 2, 131072 MB, 64-bit Windows 10}

www.3dmark.com

I would avoid the case you chose. That's a bling case not great for a production rig that will be pushed hard on the regular. I'd also avoid an aio, again not enough cooling and I don't give a five what anyone says.

Build: 3970x, dual 2080ti, 8TB m.2 RAID = Render Monster

I'm building a render machine for work on a variety of applications. It will be an investment in reducing completion times in rendering and content creation workloads. This is a build for an old college buddy who works in the industry. On to the component list. Also, going to start with two...

hardforum.com

Yeah, I'm guilty when it comes to the aesthetics/bling, lol.
I'm not going to be redlining, doing any overclocking to the RAM/graphics cards, manual CPU OC'ing, nor running it 24/7 under heavy load, so I'm not concerned about the case thermals as much. I already knew when I picked the case that its not the most ideal for cooling. Also, the room I'm going to have it in is going to have AC and stay cooled to 65 deg. F when the system is being used.
4 months ago, it was one of the very VERY few cases available that didn't weigh 50 lbs. or more by itself and is able to handle the PSU I needed in conjunction with the cooling solution for the graphics card & cpu.
Rest assured, the builder is going to test the shit out of it to make sure thermals stay within acceptable tolerance ranges.

A Noctua CPU cooler would have been much better, but I don't like the idea of having all that extra weight concentrated in the CPU area of the motherboard. Its not a problem for DIY builders since they can just disassemble it before transporting the system, but for someone like myself, it would potentially be an issue.

 

[mama]

Fair enough, and sorry for being flippant before

If I might suggest, if you want bling, the PC-011D is another glass case with better airflow, but whatever floats your boat!

I like mine: Corsair Crystal 570X White

 

[MentalAcetylide]

I like mine: Corsair Crystal 570X White

Yes, but irrelevant and pointless since its a smaller case and not compatible with my build and the hardware I want to be able to put inside of it.

 

[mama]

Yes, but irrelevant and pointless since its a smaller case and not compatible with my build and the hardware I want to be able to put inside of it.

Yes, but it is pretty... Oh so pretty... "...but I want some aesthetic touches(yeah, vanity ) to the build."

 

[thesmokingman]

Thanks! When it comes down to it, rendering will be more important than the gaming, and if for some reason or other gaming takes a nosedive on the system, I can have a much smaller system built at a tiny fraction of the cost of this system later on.


Yeah, I'm guilty when it comes to the aesthetics/bling, lol.
I'm not going to be redlining, doing any overclocking to the RAM/graphics cards, manual CPU OC'ing, nor running it 24/7 under heavy load, so I'm not concerned about the case thermals as much. I already knew when I picked the case that its not the most ideal for cooling. Also, the room I'm going to have it in is going to have AC and stay cooled to 65 deg. F when the system is being used.
4 months ago, it was one of the very VERY few cases available that didn't weigh 50 lbs. or more by itself and is able to handle the PSU I needed in conjunction with the cooling solution for the graphics card & cpu.
Rest assured, the builder is going to test the shit out of it to make sure thermals stay within acceptable tolerance ranges.

A Noctua CPU cooler would have been much better, but I don't like the idea of having all that extra weight concentrated in the CPU area of the motherboard. Its not a problem for DIY builders since they can just disassemble it before transporting the system, but for someone like myself, it would potentially be an issue.

What? You're not even building it? I don't get this thread... anyways whatever works for you I guess.