new gpu = less FPS

[kiriakost]

Your "monster" GTX1060 is from 2016.....

This is true, and also its a special revision that MSI make so to use just by them self's (at 2018, MSI cleaned their warehouse and few of these cards sold in EU within nylon bags).

Product sticker has unusual description, but I am thankful to MSI support, they did inform me of last BIOS version for it without them offering the file.
I did find the new file at MSI forum, but I did switch at the old, because it has a better fan curve.

I am sensing that we lost the OP whom started this topic.

 

[PerfectWave]

Nice it is 6gb of ram and not 3 XD

 

[LifeOnMars]

It's a tier higher than that. 40% faster would be going from a gtx 1080 to a 6650XT

6750XT is almost as fast as a RTX 3070 Ti, is a solid card and a gigantic jump from a 1080


1080 is exactly on par with the original RTX 2060

The MSI 6750XT review at 1080p has the 6750XT as 1.69x the frames as a 2060 (that's almost 70% faster)

You don't even to cross reference multiple cards, the original 2060 is basically +/- 3% of the gtx 1080 so that gives you a solid reference point right there.

Yep, I did say think, but also acknowledged the guy when he showed where he was getting the info from.

 

[VTTX]

Did you try a minimal, driver only install?

Are you sure the settings are the same after switching cards? I don't play CSGO, nor do I have an AMD card in my system, but I believe I've seen some games change to some default settings after a GPU swap.

I found this video of an 8600K running a 4090 @ only 1280x960:

They're getting similar performance so you're most likely CPU limited. Maybe AMD driver/software is using more CPU utilization than the Nvidia drivers/software. What is your GPU utilization?

Yes, I tried all 3 types of drivers
the whql one (recommended) works better than the rest
the pro one gives me horrible stutters even on desktop while moving my mouse
* and yes I used DDU

Based on the number of processing units the cards are identical, Radeon only has a few hundred MHz clock advantage and incompetence(TM), sorry, infinity, cache.
Looks like nvidia's HSR (hidden surface removal to not draw what is not seen) is still superior even on Pascal cards. Not to mention well polished drivers.

I have only one question: why would you go and buy a graphics card that is so similar (equal) in the number of work units to your existing graphics card?

Ok, so it has all these new-fangled features, but when it comes to pure rendering, the GTX 1080 is still mighty powerful for its age, size, consumption.
At best it can only be 42% better than your existing GTX 1080.
I have a rule about buying a graphics card or a CPU: it has to be 100% faster or more than its predecessor.

40% better is more than enough thats 40 more fps which can make me get to ~144 from 100
yet, it's still better than a 3060 TI, so..why not

I cant help to think that your platform is holding the new card back with the 8600 and a pcie 3 motherboard

thanks for the reply, I upgraded my rig yet I still have lower fps, ill post in a sec the new rig, just replying to everyone else

Do you have Smart Access Memory(SAM)/resizable Bar enabled? From what I read, with AMD cards you really want to enabled that. However I'm not sure if your motherboard even supports SAM due to age.

I didnt, but SAM only works if you have amd cpu aswell, doesnt work with intel cpu
but now I have amd cpu, with sam on, yet still lower fps than gtx 1080, makes no sense
(ill post new rig in a sec, just replying to everyone else)

Are you getting full PCI-e 3.0 x16 test with GPU-Z

Not sure if the PCi-e 3.0 will impact performance, but it looks like it does not in 3Dmark. Your GPU supports up to GEN 4 but mobo is limited to GEN 3.

I would still check this. If its showing 3.0 x8, that could impact performance.
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3.0 with 1080
4.0 with 6750 xt *on the new rig*
yet still lower fps than gtx 1080

it is fun that OP post only pic of bench and not game and he is not writing anymore in his post this make me laugth! Seems NV bots hits TPU XD

I'm writing now, I was gone with work, ill update the post

@VTTX ,I apologize for not reading the whole thread once over since the day before yesterday , because heavy headed due to covid-19/flu/super void cold.

Have you tried restoring default graphical setting in game?

Hi, yes, i bought a new rig, kept the same gpu yet still lower fps, (

This is true, and also its a special revision that MSI make so to use just by them self's (at 2018, MSI cleaned their warehouse and few of these cards sold in EU within nylon bags).

Product sticker has unusual description, but I am thankful to MSI support, they did inform me of last BIOS version for it without them offering the file.
I did find the new file at MSI forum, but I did switch at the old, because it has a better fan curve.

I am sensing that we lost the OP whom started this topic.

im here now, replying to you all, check my new rig down below, yet still low fps

UPDATE:
After asking everywhere, including here, y'all told me I should definetly ditch that cpu and mobo, since they're old and can't keep up with this new gpu (rx 6750 xt)
therefore I bought ryzen 7 5700x, elite aorus mobo, 3200 mhz ram (and I just kept my gold certified psu), fresh win 10 install,
YET I still have LOWER FPS in some games with this new gpu than with the old gtx 1080 (I swear I dont even understand anymore, i cant take it anymore.. drives me crazy)

in csgo:
with my new rig and 6750 xt gpu = arround 722 fps
with my new rig but old gpu (gtx 1080) = arround 790 fps
^ same spot, offline with bots
HOW? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

in APEX
250-300 fps with 6750 xt
166-280 fps with gtx 1080
*although I have more FPS with 6750xt, the STUTTERINGS are so annoying

in warzone 2.0:
90-142 fps with 6750 xt
100-130 fps with gtx 1080

in battlefield V:
400-560 fps with 6750 xt
200-242 fps with gtx 1080
*although I have HUGE fps with new gpu, when I start shooting, it goes down to like 200-300 instantly (and does a micro stutter)

in PUBG:
86 - 251 fps with 6750 xt
100-210 fps with gtx 1080

I used DDU each time, I tried all 3 types of AMD drivers (minimal one looks like I have 480p resolution on 1080p.. by default, crazy driver, then the PRO one gives me 2 second stutters even on desktop when I move my mouse each time, the only good driver was the recommended one whql which works lets say fine but i get microstutters in games, not every often but they're annoying, also when I start shooting the fps goes down by.. alot). Tried with and without radeon ANTI-LAG, tried with SAM on/off.
ps: also the coil whine is...horrible

so.. Any advice? thanks for reading

 

[3x0]

so.. Any advice? thanks for reading

Download mpo disable from this link and run it https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157

 

[VTTX]

TLDR: got a brand new better gpu which gives me LESS fps than I used to have

LONG STORY:
so, my rig is as follows:
• cpu: intel i5 8600K
• mobo: gigabyte B360M-D3H
• ram: 16 GB RAM 2660 mhz (in dual channel)
• 750W gold certified PSU
• NVME kingston SSD
• 144 hz AOC gaming monitor
• old gpu = gigabyte gtx 1080 8gb
• new gpu = msi rx 6750 xt 12gb that I got from a well known pc store here in my country.

BUT overall I have less FPS in games with this new card than what I used to have , makes no sense..

for example
• fps in csgo:
before (with gtx 1080) = 550-580 (same spot on same map, offline, no bots)
now (with rx 6750 xt) = 430-460 (same spot on same map, offline, no bots)

• fps in cod vanguard:
before: 140
now: 105

• fps in APEX:
before = 110-144
now: 62-89)

I did use DDU for installing new card/drivers, I did try with all 3 types of drivers from radeon website (WHQL adrenaline, normal adrenaline and pro)
I got worried it could be a faulty GPU but did some tests in 3D MARK and here are the results (it shows 6750xt with better result)
so.. what's wrong? I dont understand why it gives way less fps than my previous gtx 1080

any advice? waiting for reply, thanks

update"
in case of TLDR: new rig (5700xt+aorus elite+3200 mhz rams) still give me lower fps with 6750 xt than gtx 1080 (in some games, like csgo for example)

Download mpo disable from this link and run it https://nvidia.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/5157

even though I'm using the amd gpu?

 

[3x0]

even though I'm using the amd gpu?

Yes

 

[HaKN !]

make sure you have set to pcie 4.0 or in older cpu cases 3.0 and turn off power saving modes in windows power managment

 

[Ando]

Yes, I tried all 3 types of drivers
the whql one (recommended) works better than the rest
the pro one gives me horrible stutters even on desktop while moving my mouse
* and yes I used DDU


40% better is more than enough thats 40 more fps which can make me get to ~144 from 100
yet, it's still better than a 3060 TI, so..why not


thanks for the reply, I upgraded my rig yet I still have lower fps, ill post in a sec the new rig, just replying to everyone else


I didnt, but SAM only works if you have amd cpu aswell, doesnt work with intel cpu
but now I have amd cpu, with sam on, yet still lower fps than gtx 1080, makes no sense
(ill post new rig in a sec, just replying to everyone else)


3.0 with 1080
4.0 with 6750 xt *on the new rig*
yet still lower fps than gtx 1080


I'm writing now, I was gone with work, ill update the post


Hi, yes, i bought a new rig, kept the same gpu yet still lower fps, (


im here now, replying to you all, check my new rig down below, yet still low fps

UPDATE:
After asking everywhere, including here, y'all told me I should definetly ditch that cpu and mobo, since they're old and can't keep up with this new gpu (rx 6750 xt)
therefore I bought ryzen 7 5700x, elite aorus mobo, 3200 mhz (and I kept my gold certified psu), fresh win 10 install,
YET I still have LOWER FPS in some games with this new gpu than with the old gtx 1080 (I swear I dont even understand anymore, i cant take it anymore.. drives me crazy)

in csgo:
with my new rig and 6750 xt gpu = arround 722 fps
with my new rig but old gpu (gtx 1080) = arround 790 fps
^ same spot, offline with bots
HOW? HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE

in APEX
250-300 fps with 6750 xt
166-280 fps with gtx 1080
*although I have more FPS with 6750xt, the STUTTERINGS are so annoying

in warzone 2.0:
90-142 fps with 6750 xt
100-130 fps with gtx 1080

in battlefield V:
400-560 fps with 6750 xt
200-242 fps with gtx 1080
*although I have HUGE fps with new gpu, when I start shooting, it goes down to like 200-300 instantly (and does a micro stutter)

in PUBG:
86 - 251 fps with 6750 xt
100-210 fps with gtx 1080

I used DDU each time, I tried all 3 types of AMD drivers (minimal one looks like I have 720p resolution on 1080p.. by default, crazy driver then.. the PRO one gives me 2 second stutters even on desktop when I move my mouse each time, the only good driver was the recommended one whql which works lets say fine but i get microstutters in games, not every often but they're annoying, also when I start shooting the fps goes down by.. alot). Tried with and without radeon ANTI-LAG, tried with SAM on/off.
ps: also the coil whine is...horrible

so.. Any advice? thanks for reading

So the problem persists with the only commonality being the PSU?
You might want to try what evernessince suggested. The 6750xt has a marginally higher power draw, could be just over the line for your otherwise functional PSU and cause faulty behavior. I know I've read that sometimes the PSU can cause coil whine on parts it's supplying power to. And the higher averages you're able to get, alongside bad lows makes me think it's power starved resulting in the card trying to hit it's highest boost clocks but failing.
Try a lower power limit and/or undervolting the card, see if that helps in any way.

Also as an aside, SAM (aka reBAR) does work with an intel CPU. You just need to enable resizeable BAR in the bios and the option will show up in adrenalin to enable it.

 

[VTTX]

make sure you have set to pcie 4.0 or in older cpu cases 3.0 and turn off power saving modes in windows power managment

- what do you mean? my gpu is set in the first pcie slot (4.0) it's written on it, in bios is set to pcie-1
- again, what do u mean? my power plan is set to high performance if that's what you're wondering (also i dont use radeon chill and neither c1e/power savings in bios)

So the problem persists with the only commonality being the PSU?
You might want to try what evernessince suggested. The 6750xt has a marginally higher power draw, could be just over the line for your otherwise functional PSU and cause faulty behavior. I know I've read that sometimes the PSU can cause coil whine on parts it's supplying power to. And the higher averages you're able to get, alongside bad lows makes me think it's power starved resulting in the card trying to hit it's highest boost clocks but failing.
Try a lower power limit and/or undervolting the card, see if that helps in any way.

Also as an aside, SAM (aka reBAR) does work with an intel CPU. You just need to enable resizeable BAR in the bios and the option will show up in adrenalin to enable it.

- my psu is 750w golden certified, technically shouldnt be a problem
- i had coil whine with gtx 1080 but it was not as loud as it is while having amd gpu plugged in
- online tests showed me that I only needed 600w as a psu for my components
- in hwmonitor the power draw of both gpus are rather similar (just arround 40W more power draw for 6750xt.. gtx 1080 has arround 180w power draw..depending on the game)
- i dont know how to undervolt/underclock/overclock and stuff like that so im affraid not to break it
- about SAM, ok.. good to know although what i've seen on other forums, they said you need gpu and cpu from same brand (amd) in order for sam to work properly

 

[pavle]

At this point I would say just exchange the RX 6750 XT for a 6800 XT if you can, that should be plenty powerful for all your needs. The RX 6750 just ain't enough to effectively beat the GTX 1080 and if you're all distressed about it and bought all these additional stuff (when it's not really needed), just get the 6800XT to have peace, it should be the best bang for the buck.

 

[HaKN !]

Try installing the drivers without all the bloatware and what i mean about that is that you get a " Install Drivers Only " option when running the installer, did wonders for my RX6900XT

 

[lemonadesoda]

Skimming the thread:

a) Your RX 6750 XT is faulty, either not cooling properly and clocks getting dialled back. Or the GPU power circuitry is choking it. I dont like that the coil whine is excessive. OR
b) PSU not providing what CPU and/or GPU need to maintain 100%.
c) Your 1080 is not a 1080 but a 1080Ti or some engineering sample doing better than a stock 1080.

Possibly all three.

If I were in your shoes, I'd get that 6750 swapped. For the same, or for a 6800. And consider a better PSU. "Golden certified" relates to total efficiency not beauty or perfection or that it's pumping perfect power where you need it. What if it is giving you insufficient power on the GPU or on the CPU... and too much power on the molex cables?

Anyway, I wish you luck in sorting this out.

 

[dont whant to set it"']

@VTTX

what do you mean? my gpu is set in the first pcie slot (4.0) it's written on it, in bios is set to pcie-1

PCI-E slot address /id is one thing .I read that you set it to PCI-E Gen 1 bandwidth (8 times slower than gen4 is gen1).
You should have Auto,Gen4,gen3 settings available .
lertho.

 

[AusWolf]

My advice is, forget about the difference in minimal GPU usage scenarios, and 1. focus on what you've gained (a more powerful GPU in high usage scenarios), and 2. set an FPS limit to eliminate stuttering.

All in all, I think what you're seeing is the dynamic clocks of AMD GPUs. While the 1080 runs at its maximum clock that the load and voltage allows, AMD cards dynamically clock down when their full capacity isn't needed. So basically, if you look at the GPU clock graph of an Nvidia GPU during low load, you'll see a straight line, while with an AMD GPU, you'll see all kinds of dips and rises. That's just how it works.

So basically, an FPS limit at the refresh rate of your monitor should eliminate stutters, and I would stop worrying about the rest.

 

[jesdals]

I would have recommend better memory - a kit that could run 3800MHz with decent settings like these would have been a game changer for your 5700x cpu https://www.proshop.dk/RAM/Patriot-Extreme-Performance-Viper-Steel/2808496

 

[Ware]

y'all told me I should definetly ditch that cpu and mobo, since they're old and can't keep up with this new gpu

- what do you mean?
- again, what do u mean?

So you thought you slower CPU was giving the 1080 an advantage over the 6750? That doesn't make sense.
Might be best to take it to a shop, instead of taking questionable advice from random people that you may misunderstand anyway.

1080 has 256 bit memory bus vs 192 of 6750XT.

This is irrelevant and misleading. 1080 is 320 GB/s. The 6750 is 432 GB/s, plus whatever boost it's cache can offer. Bandwidth matters, not bus width.

The RX 6750 just ain't enough to effectively beat the GTX 1080

Wow...

 

[pavle]

Wow...

Wow yourself, there are results that spell it, not to the blind apparently.

 

[kiriakost]

I am willing to release you from your problems by receiving the GTX1080 as gift.
When a system its capable for over 150 FPS, there is no problems.
The software that measures the FPS this has the peculiarity, and it cannot be considered as a God.

 

[3x0]

Wow yourself, there are results that spell it, not to the blind apparently.

 

[AusWolf]

When a system its capable for over 150 FPS, there is no problems.

This!

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Also this! You do see a difference between the 1080 and 6750 XT, just not in games and settings that are extremely CPU limited with any GPU.

I know this because I came from a 2070 (which is basically an RT-capable 1080) that tragically died to a 6750 XT, and the difference I see is massive.

 

[MrPerforations]

you need to enable resizable bar and above 4G in bios to get the SAM to work.

 

[VTTX]

you need to enable resizable bar and above 4G in bios to get the SAM to work.

I did, and it works, its enabled

When a system its capable for over 150 FPS, there is no problems.

^

This!

in csgo, as an ex professional player, I can feel the difference from 150 fps to 400 fps while shooting, quite easily

 

[AusWolf]

in csgo, as an ex professional player, I can feel the difference from 150 fps to 400 fps while shooting, quite easily

Fair enough. Then my next guess is CPU limit, as others before me have mentioned, I believe.