New Ryzen 7 5800X3D low Cinebench R23 scores

[HD64G]

I'll post an update once I receive it. Might take a few weeks though. Hoping I see some measurable improvements.

Just run Windows power shell and type sfc /scannow

Check again the performance after that.

 

[Antonis_35]

Just run Windows power shell and type sfc scannow

Check again the performance after that.

No integrity errors. Benchmark results are the same.

 

[Durvelle27]

No integrity errors. Benchmark results are the same.

Sfc scan doesn’t check integrity. It checks for corrupted files associated with Windows and repairs them if found

 

[lowrider_05]

I recently upgraded to the 5800X3D, and based on my experience I strongly recommend you give "PBO2 Tuner" a try. This is a neat little freeware app that allows you to apply negative Curve Optimizer (CO) settings to the CPU.

In my case, and as also documented by someone else here -- https://www.reddit.com/r/overclocking/comments/uigbv7 -- applying negative CO settings significantly reduced temps while also slightly improving performance on Cinebench 23. I suggest you start with -30 on every core, then test (OCCT is great for this) and reduce the negative numbers for any cores that throw errors. I wound up with -30 on 5 of the 8 cores, -20 on my two best cores (per Ryzen Master) and -25 on one other core.

I'm using a good 240 AIO, but my CPU temperature would still shoot right up to 83C while running CB23 multicore. After the PBO2 Tuner adjustment, it maxes out at 78C while delivering a score of 14,8XX vs 14,6XX previously. Max VCORE during the test is about 1.17V instead of 1.26V. More importantly, when running MSFS 2020 at 1440P UW (3840x1600) on high/ultra settings for extended periods, my CPU settles in the mid 70s instead of low 80s, with similarly reduced CPU voltage and no reduction in FPS.

Please note: The only downside here is that you'll need to redo the PBO2 Tuner settings every time the PC restarts or wakes from sleep. Minor PITA but worth it for now. Eventually I'm sure there will be a BIOS update that allows negative (and only negative) curve optimization or at least some form of undervolting. I was hoping MSI's AGESA1.2.0.7 might offer this, but I guess it doesn't.... so I'm sticking with 1.2.0.6c for now.

WOW, Thanks for the tip. this really works!

By the way, you can type in -50 in the tool but it only applies the maximum of -30

 

[lowrider_05]

A reason I buy intel, no PBO tool are whatever tweak tool needed, it just runs as expected right away, maybe lowering the Vcore a bit and that's about it.

I am not a fanboy at all, but your comment is totally useless here. Besides that you mentioned "lowering the Vcore" that is exactly what the PBO tool does, nothing else.

 

[Antonis_35]

OK I couldn't resist and I used PBO2 Tuner. I set -30 on all cores. While the Cinebench R23 multi-core score didn't improve, at 14,064, the temps never exceeded 85 degrees Celsius.
All CPU cores never boosted above 4.3 GHz.

 

[lowrider_05]

OK I couldn't resist and I used PBO2 Tuner. I set -30 on all cores. While the Cinebench R23 multi-core score didn't improve, at 14,064, the temps never exceeded 85 degrees Celsius.
All CPU cores never boosted above 4.3 GHz.

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I still think, you have to little cooling on this CPU for best performance you should be able to stay under 80C or else the CPU will reduce clocks.

 

[Dr. Dro]

Regarding the maximum achievable negative curve optimizer adjustment - the further possible the range of negative PBO adjustment, the looser the processor's binning is. This is inversely proportional to how "golden" the processor is, and tends to become stricter and stricter as the processor's grade increases. For the 5950X specifically, which has many cores and the most aggressive v/f curve out of the box next to any other SKU, your curve optimizer range should be extremely narrow, up to -5, really. My specific sample can do an all-core of -2, without applying scalar multiplier or extra frequency range. -3 will result in WHEA BSODs at random, even if applied just to the cores identified as the best.

OK I couldn't resist and I used PBO2 Tuner. I set -30 on all cores. While the Cinebench R23 multi-core score didn't improve, at 14,064, the temps never exceeded 85 degrees Celsius.
All CPU cores never boosted above 4.3 GHz.

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This isn't a bad all-core result, the boost rating is for a single thread and that's a 4.5 for the X3D. Your processor is operating as intended, perhaps it just isn't as fast as you hoped it would be. These are my daily settings, I am limited by EDC (the 190 A rating for the B550-E Strix is too low to allow this processor to fully flex its muscles), and I get in this benchmark around 4.35 GHz on all 32 threads. R23 uses AVX, so this isn't bad at all, if I had a better motherboard, I could maybe get 5% more out of this CPU at the same settings... aka not worth the bother. Just enough to break the 30000 points barrier and massage ego a bit, but in practice, since most applications and games don't go this hard on all threads, the performance is entirely adequate.

 

[Antonis_35]

I still think, you have to little cooling on this CPU for best performance you should be able to stay under 80C or else the CPU will reduce clocks.

The Thermalright FC140 Black is supposed to arrive by June 14th.

 

[Antonis_35]

Update:
Received and installed the Thermalright FC140 Black. Overall really happy with it. 36-42 degrees Celsius during very low system usage, and much quieter.
With PBO2 Tuner custom settings (see below), temperature never exceeds 80 degrees Celsius during Cinebench R23. CPU multi-core scores around 14,500-14,800.

 

[freeagent]

That’s a lot of -30s.. nice cpu

 

[Antonis_35]

That’s a lot of -30s.. nice cpu

Thnx again for the recommendation to buy the Thermalright FC140 Black.

 

[freeagent]

Thnx again for the recommendation to buy the Thermalright FC140 Black.

Anytime! Glad it worked out well for you

 

[QuietBob]

With PBO2 Tuner custom settings (see below), temperature never exceeds 80 degrees Celsius during Cinebench R23. CPU multi-core scores around 14,500-14,800.

I tried PBO2 Tuner with -30 CO on all cores, leaving PPT/TDC/EDC at default. A single MT R23 run showed 4450 MHz on all cores and resulted in 15,100 points. Core voltage peaked at 1.163v, while maximum temperature reached 74c with 25c room ambient.

There's a really helpful guide here on how to make these PBO2 tweaks permanent.

 

[Rem NL]

Does PBO2 Tuner work on any motherboard? I cant find anything in the readme file.

 

[Antonis_35]

Does PBO2 Tuner work on any motherboard? I cant find anything in the readme file.

Yet it should. However depending on your Motherboard, vendors have started releasing Beta BIOS which include the Kombo Strike utility for the Ryzen 7 5800X3D, which enables overclocking and Core Offset Voltage.

 

[garysunique]

Hi.
I know i am late to this post but i have just read through this very interesting discussion as I have just installed a 5800x3d on my B550 MSI Gaming Edge wi-fi and ran a cinebench All Cores test. I just wanted to see if things seemed ok? I have 36 Gb of Ram @3600 BTW.
I to have a Noctua NHU12A that used to cool my 3700x very nicely. Gaming temps seemed ok tbh, never pushing past the 70 degree mark but from my first Cinebench test the CPU temps were 88 degrees. My average all cores were running at 4.299 Mhz.
Long story short I enabled Kombo Strike 3 in my bios and now my CPU temps didn't exceed 79 degrees and my average core was at 4.424 Mhz.
I am really quite chuffed tbh. I don't know about system stability however but i am not going to stress test my PC for hours on end. So hoping this is stable.
I will include an edit if things turn out bad! Thank you all for making me do a little research and understanding what this CPU should be capable of.
Cheers
P.S first score before Kombo Strike was: 14351
After was: 14761
Gareth

 

[Mussels]

36GB of RAM??
I hope thats a typo, or you're gunna want to work on removing whatever weird random stick you threw in there


You kinda cropped out most of the useful info in those screenshots, seeing the render window from R23 is worthless, while the stats from HWinfo are useful
HWMonitor on the other hand, is extremely inaccurate and not worth having installed - ditch it

 

[garysunique]

36GB of RAM??
I hope thats a typo, or you're gunna want to work on removing whatever weird random stick you threw in there


You kinda cropped out most of the useful info in those screenshots, seeing the render window from R23 is worthless, while the stats from HWinfo are useful
HWMonitor on the other hand, is extremely inaccurate and not worth having installed - ditch it

Haha,
Sorry. 32 Gb Vengeance Pro. It was quite late when I typed that last night.
OK. I will get Hwinfo and run the test again. Thanks for the heads up. I will try and get better screenshots too.

 

[Mussels]

Zentimings would be the most helpful, and HWinfo showing the maximum and current values while the test is still running - set it to a 30 minute stress test

Effective clocks dropping means it's undervolted too far, for example

 

[OneMoar]

you aren't going to get high CB scores on a X3D chip
they don't clock up high enough getting over 15k requires you hold 4.6Ghz thoughout the test on a norma 5800X. since cinebench doesn't really benfit from the extra cache
the 5800X3D maxes out at 4.3-4.5

 

[Mussels]

you aren't going to get high CB scores on a X3D chip
they don't clock up high enough getting over 15k requires you hold 4.6Ghz thoughout the test on a norma 5800X. since cinebench doesn't really benfit from the extra cache
the 5800X3D maxes out at 4.3-4.5

Still, he can be sure he's getting what he should be

 

[garysunique]

Hi.
I ran the test again using HWinfo this time.
My CPU temp was actually 3 degrees cooler, although that's probs because my room is colder this morning?
I also achieved a higher score of over 14900.
TBH, I am not trying to get a higher score in cinebench. I was just really trying to make sure my 5800x 3d was working correctly and the cores were able to boost to 4.5 Ghz-ish, after installing the latest bios and AMD Chipset driver. The fact Kombo Strike setting 3 has reduced my CPU temps by 10-15 degrees on my NHU12A is an added bonus!

 

[Mussels]

4.55GHz is the maximum all core boost you can get - even on custom water with a modified bios, i can JUST manage that with R23, since AVX load is more power hungry than other types

This here says your CPU is running 100% as fast as the x3D can, perfectly

These are on the warm side, but also perfectly fine for the highest power draw, hottest test you can run on these CPU's

If you have a voltage offset like i do, you can shave 5-10W off, and some of that heat drops too - otherwise the CPU side of this is perfected

If you have any issues with the memory/IMC instability SoC voltage is almost always the culprit, same if you want to OC that ram higher - you should get 3800 pretty easily

Raise that if you get USB errors, black screen crashes at lower load levels, or other weird problems if you raise the RAM speed up - you're not going to get past 3800 without a fight, but you also may get 3800 to work without changing a single thing other than the DRAM speed and IF speed (3800/1900 vs your current 3600/1800)

 

[garysunique]

4.55GHz is the maximum all core boost you can get - even on custom water with a modified bios, i can JUST manage that with R23, since AVX load is more power hungry than other types

This here says your CPU is running 100% as fast as the x3D can, perfectly
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These are on the warm side, but also perfectly fine for the highest power draw, hottest test you can run on these CPU's
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If you have a voltage offset like i do, you can shave 5-10W off, and some of that heat drops too - otherwise the CPU side of this is perfected

If you have any issues with the memory/IMC instability SoC voltage is almost always the culprit, same if you want to OC that ram higher - you should get 3800 pretty easily

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Raise that if you get USB errors, black screen crashes at lower load levels, or other weird problems if you raise the RAM speed up - you're not going to get past 3800 without a fight, but you also may get 3800 to work without changing a single thing other than the DRAM speed and IF speed (3800/1900 vs your current 3600/1800)

Hi Mussels
Thank you for replying.
I wasnt thinking of overclocking my RAM. I really just wanted to know that my new CPU was working correctly and at advertised speeds. These Forum comments led me to Kombo Strike setting 3 and allowed me to also keep my Noctua cooler. Very happy about that. Thank you all. But since you mentioned RAM overclocking, I have upped my Memory to 3866 Mhz. I have not stress tested the memory yet but have run two game benchmarks and all seems buttery smooth. I will stress test tomoz. I used the MSI MEM TRY IT! to overclock btw. I don't play any HRR games and use a Locked 117 fps to gsync with my LG TV so i don't really have a need to overclock. As long as my games run smoothly in 1440p or 4K, I am good. Here's some screenshots of my settings etc. Obviously if you see anything dicey in these settings, please tell me. Do you think I should try to reduce timings btw? I don't particularly want to go down the overclocking rabbit hole, as I am certainly no PC wizard!
Thank you for sharing your knowledge btw.