NEW Unigine Valley Benchmark 1.0 Scores

[Vellinious]

Upping cpu clocks helps?
Or dropping cores,and i creasing clocks....
I wouldnt have guessed, cpu usage seems fairly low during benching

Ill need to try that.

Yes. I took to turning off hyperthreading and disabling all but 2 cores, because...hyperthreading creates heat, as do the other 4 cores that aren't being used by Valley....so, using 2 cores without hyperthreading gives you more thermal headroom to get a little more core clock out of your processor.

I glad you mentioned the multi GPU part. That seems to give some explanation as to why a certain member could increase their score with a certain pair of GPUs so drastically as was recently the case. I'm still having a very hard time understanding how that was possible. But the rules were followed so far as I can tell. So the score appears to be valid. And I did list it as such. But I'm not necessarily the scores judge here. I have a rough idea of what's realistic. At least I think I do. My job as I see it is just to police the scores and keep track of them. I don't feel I have the experience required to deem a score as unrealistic or impossible unless it were supposedly achieved with a similar GPU to the one I own currently.

Anyhow, maybe you or someone else could help me understand better how or why that score was possible. I think it's pretty obvious by a quick look at the list which score by which member I'm referring to. I'm just not willing to name names or point fingers at this point. I'm big on the benefit of the doubt theory.

However I did mention in the other thread that if anyone sees anything that they think is contestable scores wise to please let me know about it. I would prefer, or rather insist, that the protest be made publicly. That seems most fair to the parties involved. I am willing to try and keep the lists as free of deception as I can. But I will need help with that from other members. Like I said, I just don't have enough experience to make a judgment call in each particular case as to which scores are obviously fake. So unless somebody has a particular complaint about a certain score, and can make a reasonable argument as to why, I'm going to assume nobody has a problem with any listed scores. As I feel I've done the best I could, barring any potential oversights on my part, to keep invalid scores off the list.

Lastly, I apologize to the member who's score I'm making an example of. It's not accusatory. I just don't fully understand it. And you didn't provide any explanation of it. So it's left some of us wondering.

I'm not really sure what scores you're talking about. PM me some examples and I'll try to help. Some of can be the difference in motherboards, some can be a difference in clock speeds, temps, stability of the overclock, generational gaps between comparisons....if it's a Maxwell GPU, one person could be seeing some thermal throttling or power limit throttling and not even know it.

 

[MrGenius]

I'm not really sure what scores you're talking about. PM me some examples and I'll try to help. Some of can be the difference in motherboards, some can be a difference in clock speeds, temps, stability of the overclock, generational gaps between comparisons....if it's a Maxwell GPU, one person could be seeing some thermal throttling or power limit throttling and not even know it.

I'd rather not PM you any examples. Since they're already a matter of public record. And I don't exactly see the point of it. In this instance at least. So here's what I'm looking at.

Ok. For example. Say someone had a pair of GTX 780 Tis @ 1162/1892 + an i7-3930K @ 4.9GHz and got a score of 3894 in Valley under the rules of this thread. Does it stand to reason that the same person with the same pair of GTX 780Tis @ 1147/1852 + an i7-3770K @ 4.6GHz could score 5246 in Valley under the rules of this thread? And if so how or why?

Like I said, I'd like the debate about such a topic to be open for all to see here. I'm willing to initiate the conversation(as I believe I have and am). But I don't think it's fair to the person in question to be left in the dark about it. Especially if it ends up in a decision to remove the score from the list. I'd like for whomever that someone is to have a chance to witness what's happening here and at least have a chance to explain themselves. Of course that person could choose not to participate in the discussion. I can only hope that they would. As it could likely be the only reason to not remove the score in this case.

Thanks for offering your help and advice. I'm thinking I might need a referee of some sort from time to time, to make the calls that I can't based on my limited experience. But I'm also kind of hoping everyone can be. To whatever extent they can at least. I definitely don't know all there is to know about the performance limitations of all the graphics cards and processors available. And what I do know about is typically too old an outdated to really apply here. Aside from my last 2 gaming setups. Which other than previously stated includes some experience with an HD 6950.

 

[Vellinious]

First....your rules are a little restrictive. There's absolutely NO way to tell if an NVIDIA guy has altered the performance settings in the control panel. None...may as well just allow driver tweaks, EXCEPT in the case of AMD and tessellation and move on with life.

Will that little tweak make up that difference? Doubtful. If anything, I'd say whomever ran the 3894 has got some serious issues someplace else. A pair of 780tis running Valley should see at LEAST 5k score....anything less would indicate to me, there are issues.

It's a benchmark thread...it's about doing everything you can to obtain a higher score... Just my two copper.

**In fact, you should just go ahead and remove my 2 x 970 score, because I used that driver tweak. Just realized today, that was a rule....

 

[MrGenius]

I totally see your point about the rules being too restrictive. That was fully intentional. My idea is to try and put maximum stress on the CPU and GPU at the given resolution. Mainly to keep the Nvidia guys from kicking my/our ass so badly. It seems to be working so far. So I doubt I'll be changing it. It is a benchmark thread I get that. But as I gather, not your typical one. And not like the old Valley thread. More like the old Heaven thread.

Thanks for the input anyway. It's duly noted.

Ok. Will do. I greatly appreciate your honesty. All you had to do was say nothing. But I'm very glad you didn't.

 

[Vellinious]

I think you'll find, that a lot of people aren't going to be so honest about it. SOME AMD guys will try to sneak some tess tweaks in, and SOME NVIDIA guys will try to sneak in the performance textures tweak...among a few others...

Point is....you'll NEVER know.... I could run my 290X right now, and post a screenshot of a 3.7k score, and you'd never know I used a tess tweak. Just like you'd never know I used driver tweaks on my 970s. Hell....I gamed with my driver settings tweaked...

 

[MrGenius]

And I totally get your point. My counter point is that there are many things that can't exactly be proven. So many in fact that I can't imagine anything that can't be faked or falsified to a degree as to be virtually, if not entirely, undetectable. Therefore if we are going to use the "honor system" for anything, we might as well use it for everything. Ok...not everything. But you get my point.

I don't know what else to say. I've always followed the rules stated as far as I understood them and even applied the more restrictive interpretations in some cases. Not with the old Valley thread. Because "highest" to me meant "highest performance". If he had used the word maximum I might not have. That and the flat out vagueness of the statement. "Highest settings" as in what? Supersampling AA? 64x Tessellation? High performance or high quality texture filtering? So I just assumed he meant what I'm sure you, and everbody else, thought it meant. Whatever yields the highest performance. Quite obviously the case by looking at the old scores.

Well one more thing I could say is, it could be worse. Much worse. Like give it a try with SS AA and High Quality texture filtering. Watch as your score plummets. Then you'll be thanking me I didn't make those a rule. And it won't seem like so much to ask for default driver settings.

 

[Emmanuel Fuller]

I posted a Google drive link of the screenshot in my post. Can you see it there or did the moderators block it.

okay, I found an online image editor to make the 8MB file a lil smaller.

 

[MrGenius]

That's not a 7852 score. It's probably still a good 4K score though. But we aren't doing 4K.

Seems a bit compressed or something. Let's try it like this.

 

[Emmanuel Fuller]

And I totally get your point. My counter point is that there are many things that can't exactly be proven. So many in fact that I can't imagine anything that can't be faked or falsified to a degree as to be virtually, if not entirely, undetectable. Therefore if we are going to use the "honor system" for anything, we might as well use it for everything. Ok...not everything. But you get my point.

I understand, I just ran the Valley at 4k in the same specs the opener stated. My setup runs 60fps+ on all new games 90% everything turned up, the extra 10% we can say is 16xAA. At 4k there's not really any jagged edges anymore. There's no need for AA over 8x, AF at 16 is still really nice. You can find a beautiful happy spot. No kind of dynamic resolution can let you see what 4k gaming really looks like on a 4k monitor. If any of you remember what 1080p looked like when it first came out, it was amazing. Also, benchmarking at 1080p will not stress these modern cards out. I guess 4K shows you how good your fill rate and memory bandwidth really is. This is just my honorable mention Valley 1.0 4k test submission.

P.S. Did anyone catch how hot Valley 1.0 thinks my video card is.

 

[MrGenius]

Yeah. The temp thing seems to be a Fury bug. They all look like that.

Do a 1920x1080 run with the settings per the rules in post #1. I would love to see that.

It's not all about stressing the card out. It's about the score at 1920x1080.

 

[jboydgolfer]

Regarding scores that are WAY higher than like systems,as far as what @MrGenius and @Vellinious are discussing. I am of the opinion that if there are 10 users,all of which have the same or skmilar systems,and 1 of the users scores WAY more than the other 9,i personally dont consider it as a "valid" score i my own mind.a few hundred poi ts can be gained here and there, but thousands are likely exploit generated,and i pedsonally disregard them.THATS how i resolve the "youll never know"dilemma.
As i mentioned earlier on in the thread.

For what its worth

 

[MrGenius]

I agree. I just don't want to be the sole decision maker is all. Because I'm just as likely as anybody to make the wrong decision. I'm going to have to ask for some input from you guys first. I mean I have no effing idea how a pair of GTX 780 Tis beats a pair of GTX 970s. But I've at least got one other person saying it's possible. So I suppose it is. I could easily make a poor judgment call on that one though. I don't know how stupid it is that I think that or not. I have no experience in the matter. And the switch up with the CPUs just confuses the fuck out of me even worse. In my head it seems like everything got slower, but the score got higher. Am I fucking retarded or what? Help me out here.

Fuck it. I give up. Hey @jaggerwild what's with the 2 multi GPU scores being so much different there? There seems to be a general consensus that it looks weird. And since nobody else seems to have the nerve to ask you straight up about it, it looks like I'm going to have to then. I'm still not saying you did anything wrong. I'm just wondering WTF you did do. Because you must have done something(other than trade CPUs). It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense(not even the CPU trade part). And that's putting it mildly. Frankly it makes no sense whatsoever. Not to me anyway. So let's quit burning through thread space and put it to rest. No reply means I'm walking away from it for now. But it'll also probably mean we'll be back to it at a later date. My guess is the next time somebody shows up with a pair of GTX 780 Tis.

 

[jaggerwild]

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-AEgBUCcQAwenpHRGRDQ044SUU

Here's this benchmark running in 4k. The link is a google drive shared link that shows the picture. I posted this to show you what you need to play recent games maxed out in 4k. You can do it with an i5. 4x my score would be a score of 7852.

Read the first post in this thread, you wanna show yer E pen you got to play by the same settings, OH and Welcome to the TPU! You got a pertty mouth!

Fuck it. I give up. Hey @jaggerwild what's with the 2 multi GPU scores being so much different there? There seems to be a general consensus that it looks weird. And since nobody else seems to have the nerve to ask you straight up about it, it looks like I'm going to have to then. I'm still not saying you did anything wrong. I'm just wondering WTF you did do. Because you must have done something(other than trade CPUs). It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense(not even the CPU trade part). And that's putting it mildly. Frankly it makes no sense whatsoever. Not to me anyway. So let's quit burning through thread space and put it to rest. No reply means I'm walking away from it for now. But it'll also probably mean we'll be back to it at a later date. My guess is the next time somebody shows up with a pair of GTX 780 Tis.

Wow A 500LB gorilla in the room,
I figured as they keep popping in asking, I swapped my GPU'S from my 3930K rig(in kitchen window) to my every day rig 3770K, I'll admit I do shut down back ground items. I was thinking Valley doesn't like my 3930K or my overclock is so squed that its about to chit the bed for lack or a better term? Maybe valley favor's the smaller chip I must admit it seems squed I even noticed it, I'll try running it a few more time's(both cards are on a loop with pump n rad)was gonna leave um in the 3770K as I will be replacing them. But I can re run in myX79 rig also, honestly both rigs only shutting down Internet explorer and a few back ground laggers to like 30 processes in the back ground. It's totally cool if you feel one or both is not legit remove it I can re run um(I wont take offense) they are asus GTX 780 Ti's DCIIOC under water my 580's didn't give high cause lets face it there old school. I wouldn't discount a pair of $1400 dollar GPU'S as not able to hang with 1 generation newer, Feel free to take it down I planed on topping it anyway. If that offends please ask to see anything, I haven't broke out my phase on my 3930K and we have had Very Cool Mornings here in NY. I'd rather show anything you wanna see in the picture(like CPU running full throttle?) when I do a screenie? If anyone feels I'm cheating take it down!!!!!!!But I do ask for a clear example so I can correct it, to be fair to me, truth is I haven't been reading the tread but someone mentioned moving hardware I kinda thought so, those are my cards.

Oh for clarity the first 780Ti's where run in a asus X79 deluxe then moved to my asus maximus V formula(just got it)and run there. my other runs where with GTX 580'S I assume no issue with those scores? like I said pin point it i'll redo it, I didn't switch CPU'S just rigs with my GPU'S(AGAIN I SURELY WASN"T trying to cheat), I can go higher with my phase change unit it runs at a costant-45 on my sandy bridge E 12 core, why its score was so low compared to my 3770K is anyone's guess. someone did mention min frame rates seem different, I notice it change from one run to the next but I in NO WAY used it to my advantage infact the next run(my high score) it went down but the score went up.

 

[MrGenius]

Next topic of discussion: Windowed 1920x1080. Yea or nay?

I say it's fine. So I'm probably going to allow it. Please give me your opinions on it ASAP. I'd like to change the rules sooner than later.

Thanks for your input!

@jaggerwild I have no problem with it myself. Seriously. I will say I got a PM about it. And it did make me wonder even before that person said something to me. I pretty much told that individual "I'm not gonna touch it. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt. But maybe if I had a pair of GTX 780 Tis I'd be pissed". But I don't have enough info to conclude anything about it at this point. I'm just trying to play the fool here so someone else doesn't have to. I'm mean let's face it. It's bound to happen eventually. Or not...I don't know. But it wouldn't surprise me if someone did. It didn't make a lot of sense to me, or that guy. So I can see it not making much sense to somebody else.

God's honest truth that 5MHz thing makes less sense to me than this. But nobody said anything to me about that. So I'm not asking. It's a helluva lot easier to just take everyone for their word and leave it at that. I don't want no part of no conflicts or battles about nothing as for as these threads are concerned. HOWEVER that's UNLESS it has to do with an HD 7970/R9 280X. I know EXACTLY WTF I'm talking about there. And I know EXACTLY what you can do with one of those. And if you think you're going to waltz in here and knock me off of my throne....you better bring your A game and have your proof in triplicate. Because I am, have, will, and do. I ain't fucking around when it comes to that.

 

[jaggerwild]

I can post picture's of each rig and even a vid if it would help, Jbody like villianious said you gonna tell me Earth dog is on top by accident? But I pop in a score and it's not valid, some one run some 780Ti'S in SLI? its cool take down my score's n delete the posts !!!! It suppose to be a fun thread now I'm a Villan...................................

Click the link in my sig see my hardware library@ HWBot, have a visit. I go through mother boards like underwear for some people.

I'm done!

OPPS just noticed the 1080 question, its my highest res i can run presently I think it will run on higher but I assumed it wouldn't be a good score. Mr Genius take down the 780'S with the 3770K, I can't delete it, OK im done.

 

[MrGenius]

@jaggerwild Wait wait wait...hold up. What's going on now? Nobody's accusing nobody of nothing last I checked. And no jboydgolfer never said anything to me about it. I don't think that's what he means by that either. He's just hypothesizing. I don't think that was directed at anybody.

BTW don't go deleting nothing please. Then I will have to take the scores down for lack of proof.

We're cool. Everybody's cool. This whole thing is probably my fault. I'll take the blame. I shouldn't have mentioned it. I didn't want to. But for some dumbass reason I did. MY BAD!!

Oh and the 1920x1080 windowed thing was for the 4K guy(s). Or whoever. I didn't even know you were running it windowed. If you were. And like I said that's fine by me even if you do. I just wanted to see what everybody else thinks.

HOLY SHIT!!! What have I done now??????????!!!!!!!!!!

 

[jaggerwild]

here s a run with HD on so it dont count, nothing shut off in windows infact firefox open in back ground. I do have the SKYNET bios on my GPU'S and will have to find my max OC on this set up. EXAMPLE HD>@4500Mhz V

my eyes r bad but clearly you can see the GPU settings.................

3770K MVF board^780TI'S^

 

[MrGenius]

Ok...that's not bad. But I liked your previous score better. So if you don't mind I'd like to keep it on the list. Up to you.

Bad ass rig BTW. Or rigs? So much shit going on there I don't even know what all I'm looking at. Looks pretty sick though!

Oh now there is 2. I think I like the one on top best. Hard to tell by looking though.

 

[jaggerwild]

Yeah i got to change the tubbing to red on my GPU'S in the top one then incert it all in an InnWin D frame mini Thanks gonna get new Videos for the X79 Deluxe, I sell so much stuff its always changing. 1 of my GTX 580's is sold one more to sell them shopping time. Im gonna run my 5 5770 HD'S on the X79 always fun to knock out a world record or 2 Better view fullerV I used a AMD CPU water block between the GPU'S as it was a tight bend, didn't want it to kink.

ON WITH THE THREAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! one last photo for the DOUBTERS
3Dmark11 Extreme Score

3770K @4500(to compare nothing shut down but explorer)GPU@1201/1852

Link for overclockersdotnet showing 780Ti scores in the 6000 range almost 7000
http://www.overclock.net/t/1360884/official-top-30-unigine-valley-benchmark-1-0

 

[EarthDog]

100 posts in and you are still switching things up???

First....your rules are a little restrictive. There's absolutely NO way to tell if an NVIDIA guy has altered the performance settings in the control panel. None...may as well just allow driver tweaks, EXCEPT in the case of AMD and tessellation and move on with life.

Will that little tweak make up that difference? Doubtful. If anything, I'd say whomever ran the 3894 has got some serious issues someplace else. A pair of 780tis running Valley should see at LEAST 5k score....anything less would indicate to me, there are issues.

It's a benchmark thread...it's about doing everything you can to obtain a higher score... Just my two copper.

**In fact, you should just go ahead and remove my 2 x 970 score, because I used that driver tweak. Just realized today, that was a rule....

+111111111111

~100 posts in and there are still rule changes...

Noble effort man, but, shhhhhhstuff should be together BEFORE these threads are started.

Unsubscribed... best of luck!

 

[jboydgolfer]

Reading through these posts, it seems like i was mentioned...why?

Ive made no accusation, unless its a typo @jaggerwild

Frankly i cant tell if he is mentioning me, he typed a few names,but i having trouble deciphering his meaning

im referring to This here ....

I can post picture's of each rig and even a vid if it would help, Jbody like villianious said you gonna tell me Earth dog is on top by accident?

all i ever said was that if a score of a member is Thousands above the scores of members using the same builds, and systems, I (me , myself ,Personally) dont count that score. This is my right. to me it seems dubious, but I didnt accusse a single person, i was Merely replying to what @MrGenius and @Vellinious were discussing together. So take me out of your accusational rant please, IF that IS indeed my name. im not that kind of person.
frankly, i dont like the direction this thread is taking, im just going to stop posting in it. all of this contention is NOT the reason i visit Techpowerup, Some may, but i have enough stress in the REAL world.
regards . and best of luck to all of you. remember the scores mean nothing.

 

[Shift1190]

I7 6700K @4.6Ghz MSI 980Ti SLI

 

[Vellinious]

^^This is a perfect example of a couple high end cards being held back a LOT by CPU core clock. As I stated earlier....the more powerful cards suffer more.

 

[jaggerwild]

^+1 could clock that so much higher................. Hes only got 2 posts take it down!

 

[Shift1190]

^+1 could clock that so much higher................. Hes only got 2 posts take it down!

I'm penalized for being a newbie to the forum?