Nintendo Confirms That Switch 2 Joy-Cons Will Not Utilize Hall Effect Stick Technology

[LabRat 891]

I think you're missing the REAL revolution, by that company named after the orgies and console that came with it. They may have *slightly* contributed to our destiny.

Sega Saturn(alia)?

TBQH, there's enough esoteria wrapped-up in Games and Game Consoles / -marketing, I get confused as to what's attached with what

 

[alwayssts]

Sega Saturn(alia)?

TBQH, there's enough esoteria wrapped-up in Games and Game Consoles / -marketing, I get confused as to what's attached with what

You must respect The Duke, and you know...Halo.

 

[LabRat 891]

You must respect The Duke, and you know...Halo.

Related?

 

[alwayssts]

Related?

I had a friend with that thing. I will always remember him talking into his sideways taco phone. I always had to stifle my laughter, as he was a very kind, if uninformed child, and even he was embarrassed.

I never realized the goatse thing (and to be honest, have never looked up the origin of Bungie; it's just something most people likely myself are vaguely aware is not named for the strap), but that is funny.

And The Duke, well the The Duke is just The Duke; just thought that lined up well.
I think it's named that simply because It's freaking enormous.....(*Reads actual wiki article*)....apparently because it was the Project Manager's son's name.

...But I do think it helped popularize dual analogue the way we use it today (especially in console FPS bc of Halo). Obviously it wasn't the first, though.

 

[LabRat 891]

I had a friend with that thing. I will always remember him talking into his sideways taco phone. I always had to stifle my laughter, as he was a very kind, if uninformed child, and even he was embarrassed.

I never realized the goatse thing (and to be honest, have never looked up the origin of Bungie; it's just something most people likely myself are vaguely aware is not named for the strap), but that is funny.

And The Duke, well the The Duke is just The Duke; just thought that lined up well.
I think it's named that simply because It's freaking enormous.....(*Reads actual wiki article*)....apparently because it was the Project Manager's son's name.

...But I do think it helped popularize dual analogue the way we use it today (especially in console FPS bc of Halo). Obviously it wasn't the first, though.

As I recall, the XBOX controller(s) are strong-descendants from the Dreamcast's.

(IMO)
N64 helped popularize and 'prompt' the standard for analog stick(s) on game controllers.
PS1's Analog DualShock dual-stick design became the DeFacto standard for late-PSX (and PS2->) era games.
Sega Dreamcast attempted to branch out on what N64 established.
XBOX OG took what Sega and Sony had brought to market, and created a 'concurrent standard' layout [Sony-PlayStation DualShock and MSFT-XBOX layouts]

 

[alwayssts]

As I recall, the XBOX controller(s) are strong-descendants from the Dreamcast's.

(IMO)
N64 helped popularize and 'prompt' the standard for analog stick(s) on game controllers.
PS1's Analog DualShock dual-stick design became the DeFacto standard for late-PSX (and PS2->) era games.
Sega Dreamcast attempted to branch out on what N64 established.
XBOX OG took what Sega and Sony had brought to market, and created a 'concurrent standard' layout [Sony-PlayStation DualShock and MSFT-XBOX layouts]

Man...Do you remember Nights (Into Dreams)? That might be the first time I remember it getting pushed *really* hard in the media. That was before the N64 launched (in the US) iirc.

I don't know if I ever had a DS1; think I just had a standard. I had to have though...no way I played RE without sticks...I don't think? Hmm. Now I'm going to have to go dig through my attic bc it will bug me.
All I know is my PS1 probably still has the spring to in it to fool the loader so I could swap cd-r's. If I had to guess, it's probably in a box with one of my old Plextor drives. How's that for nostalgia?

 

[lexluthermiester]

At $450 I would expect it to have an OLED display

Some of us don't want that. OLED has burn-in problems. IPS does not.

hall effect joy sticks

I don't care about that. As long as they work accurately, it doesn't matter how they work.

having a newer SoC would have been nice as well.

The SOC chosen is 8 to 10 times more powerful than the previous gen. Absolutely excellent games were produced for the first Switch. That tradition will continue just fine with what was chosen.

But I only would've considered paying that much for a console if it could also work as a streaming box and had a full OS with a browser.

Buy a PC and talk to everyone about price.

I forgot how much of an obnoxious prick you can be when challenged on something that you are certain of.

Wink wink. And you're welcome.

First of all - yes, that Resdit thread contains a shitton of link with context of the situation. Including ones to journalistic outlets you might or might not consider “worthy” of your attention. I don’t know exactly what your standards are. Just go through the thread. Or don’t. But then how about you actually provide any proof of what YOU said? Any actual proof that Nintendo fixed the Joycons? Besides them SAYING they did, of course. Maybe some independent testing and teardowns?

It's reddit, a platform not to be taken seriously on it's own. So unless some OTHER news or info can be provided that shows evidence that the problem has not been solved, it's been solved.

Secondly - I do have something else, actually. An OG Switch that is on its fourth (that’s 4th) pair of cons.

That's subjective and situational. My household has two of them and neither experienced problems of any kind, let alone the drift problem.

there is absolutely no reason no to use them

Sure there is, licensing fees. Nintendo doesn't want to pay them when they have their own thing.

Are you done complaining about something that doesn't and will not matter?

You ARE why.

OOooo, clever.... not.

Anyone that's retained strongly-attached nostalgia to the alienhanded N64 controller, is probably not going to care what kind joystick is used in Switch2.

Not here. There were so many things wrong with the N64, the controller was one of them. Sure, it was comfortable, but it was also cumbersome, unsymmetrical and just looked goofy. It was as bad as the Genesis/Megadrive/Saturn controllers.

 

[ratirt]

I really have no clue why people are so obsessed about the OLED screen. I mean, you are going to play mostly on the TV. You will throw it between the kids in the car during a trip, so they can fight for it for an hour and after realize it is better to share it for the next 2h so that you can get a peace of mind. It will still be a small screen and OLED is not going to change that so what is the point getting an OLED in there with such a small size screen? Not to mention, @lexluthermiester is right about the burn-in of the OLED. Guys, use your heads when complaining please.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Guys, use your heads whgen complaining please.

Let's be honest, most of them are complaining just to complain, because they're bitter about something Nintendo related or because they're Nintendo haters. They're not talking about problems that matter or will have any effect on the NS2. If any one them were serious about complaining they would be pissed off about the online presence crap and the fact that many game carts are seemingly only license keys and will not have any game code/data on them. You know, real and actual problems.

Both of those problems are entirely more concerning and yet they're whining about controller drift, a problem that was not as widespread as many think & solved years ago and screen type, which isn't a problem at all. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to complain about real problems instead of whining like overgrown tantrum throwers.

 

[Frick]

2. Jacked up price, supposedly due to tarriffs or whatever

Nah, just more money. It's €600+ here.

I mean, you are going to play mostly on the TV.

I thought most people didn't play it on the TV?

 

[ratirt]

I thought most people didn't play it on the TV?

really? why? I play most of the time on a TV if I'm at home, why would i use the console's small scree?. If I'm not at home i dont play because I'm doing things. For kids is ok and yet we do not let the kids sit an play whole day. For me it is a console as any other with the difference i can play it anywhere if I want.

Let's be honest, most of them are complaining just to complain, because they're bitter about something Nintendo related or because they're Nintendo haters. They're not talking about problems that matter or will have any effect on the NS2. If any one them were serious about complaining they would be pissed off about the online presence crap and the fact that many game carts are seemingly only license keys and will not have any game code/data on them. You know, real and actual problems.

Both of those problems are entirely more concerning and yet they're whining about controller drift, a problem that was not as widespread as many think & solved years ago and screen type, which isn't a problem at all. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to complain about real problems instead of whining like overgrown tantrum throwers.

I'm curious how this license keys will work actually. Maybe Nintendo will come up with some sort of could storage for games? I'm just going to sit and wait what will happen. All in all I'm still planning on buying the Switch 2.

 

[Frick]

really? why? I play most of the time on a TV if I'm at home, why would i use the console's small scree?. If I'm not at home i dont play because I'm doing things. For kids is ok and yet we do not let the kids sit an play whole day. For me it is a console as any other with the difference i can play it anywhere if I want.

Because it's a handheld. A substantial number of people used the first gen Switch exclusively as a handheld. I remember back when it was released a lot of people described it as a Gameboy you could also play on the TV (meaning the docking thing was seen as purely a bonus). "Most" might be an exaggeration though, but I don't think I know anyone with a Switch who doesn't use it essentially exclusively as a handheld.

 

[Haziza]

Hopefully, Gulikit will release some updated sticks for us.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm curious how this license keys will work actually.

From what I understand, you plug it in and the Nintendo Shop will see the cart, link you the game and start a download for you. How it works beyond that, I don't know.

I thought most people didn't play it on the TV?

I rarely don't play mine on TV. The kids do though, which is why we have two of them.

 

[ratirt]

Because it's a handheld. A substantial number of people used the first gen Switch exclusively as a handheld. I remember back when it was released a lot of people described it as a Gameboy you could also play on the TV (meaning the docking thing was seen as purely a bonus). "Most" might be an exaggeration though, but I don't think I know anyone with a Switch who doesn't use it essentially exclusively as a handheld.

That is a bit silly to say, because it is a handheld then I have to play it that way when at the same time I can just use a tv which in my opinion is better than the small screen.
The screen with switch is an add-on feature that you can play it as a handheld but that does not mean I have to do it no matter what. It is an option you can play as a handheld which is convenience. That does not diminish the fact, it looks better on a TV and OLED screen is pointless in my opinion because of it's flaws, you will have to play on a TV at some point with no other option.
For me, the handheld option is a bonus. For my kids, they dont care as long as they can play. They don't care if it is an OLED screen or whatever screen.

From what I understand, you plug it in and the Nintendo Shop with see the cart, link you the game and start a download for you. How it works beyond that, I don't know.

So basically, you dont own the game but rather you can download it with the key you have purchased. Hmm, not sure what to think about it, maybe it is a measure for the copy rights. If you have the full game files you can crack it and use emulator later on. If you have only game files when you download, it wont be that easy?

 

[lexluthermiester]

So basically, you dont own the game but rather you can download it with the key you have purchased.

Yeah, and that's a very real problem.

Hmm, not sure what to think about it, maybe it is a measure for the copy rights.

You should know me by now. I feel copyrights end where personal citizen rights begin. And I don't give a flying rats ass who disagrees. My home, my money, my rules.

 

[Vayra86]

I see no reason for them not to use Hall effect unless they just didn't want to R&D or maybe pay a patent fee, most likely the latter. We will see if this pisses off consumers, if we have drift like in the OG Switch then the only person that wins is Nintendo. You will have to buy a new controller.

You might be on to something here.

Nintendo knows the absence of HE isn't going to stop any potential Switch buyers.
Nintendo knows HE lasts far longer.

You don't need to be a spreadsheet hero to figure out the potential for profit here. Are they really that nasty? Of course they are, wake the F up! This is business 101

Let's be honest, most of them are complaining just to complain, because they're bitter about something Nintendo related or because they're Nintendo haters. They're not talking about problems that matter or will have any effect on the NS2. If any one them were serious about complaining they would be pissed off about the online presence crap and the fact that many game carts are seemingly only license keys and will not have any game code/data on them. You know, real and actual problems.

Both of those problems are entirely more concerning and yet they're whining about controller drift, a problem that was not as widespread as many think & solved years ago and screen type, which isn't a problem at all. If they want to be taken seriously, they need to complain about real problems instead of whining like overgrown tantrum throwers.

There is a term for this

Whataboutism

Beyond that, you don't get to decide what problems are relevant and which are not. Its clear as day why Nintendo is pushing inferior joycons. So they can sell more. No need to sugar coat this with nonsense either way. If you buy this device, you now also know that it comes with subpar sticks that might fail and prompt either a return under warranty or replacement on your own expense. Those are the facts. Everything else, is emotion - both your misplaced trust when there are clearly better alternatives (and the resulting conclusion 'it is just fine', is just as misplaced as a result); as well as the crocodile tears of those that say it should come with HE sticks, while they are still going to buy the console. They're just hypocrites that accept a bad deal while they want something better - the end result ain't gonna be that you get what you want, obviously, because you're funding the polar opposite

 

[lexluthermiester]

Are they really that nasty? Of course they are, wake the F up! This is business 101

How is using an effective technology that they own and don't have to license to use a "nasty" thing?!? Nintendo is doing nothing nefarious here. They're using what they have in a cost effective way. Business 101? Sure. But "nasty"? Only in the bad dreams of a &*#$^%#$ %$^&#@@. For everyone else, it's just getting the job done.

There is a term for this

Whataboutism

Pot, meet kettle.

Beyond that, you don't get to decide what problems are relevant and which are not.

Maybe not, but I do get to call out whiners in their BS anytime I see it.

 

[Vayra86]

Yeah, and that's a very real problem.

You should know me by now. I feel copyrights end where personal citizen rights begin. And I don't give a flying rats ass who disagrees. My home, my money, my rules.

True and true. But it really has no relation whatsoever to Nintendo penny pinching and delivering product that can be so much better for a minor effort.

How is using an effective technology that they own and don't have to license to use a "nasty" thing?!? Nintendo is doing nothing nefarious here. They're using what they have in a cost effective way. Business 101? Sure. But "nasty"? Only in the bad dreams of a &*#$^%#$ %$^&#@@. For everyone else, it's just getting the job done.

You're already going the wrong direction when you start to realize what 'effective' truly means here. Effective for Nintendo's bottom line, it certainly is. Effective certainly isn't 'risking drift'.

And yes, purposefully creating more E-waste by shortening the life cycle of products and prompting more replacements is definitely nasty. The fact we consider it normal only goes to show how detached we are from any rational thought, because of how blind we are/choose to be as consumers.

Maybe not, but I do get to call out whiners in their BS anytime I see it.

Pot, meet kettle...

 

[lexluthermiester]

True and true. But it really has no relation whatsoever to Nintendo penny pinching and delivering product that can be so much better for a minor effort.

Sure it does. I'm highlighting that the complaints being levied are vapid and inconsequential. HE sensors for the sticks could be better. But that is open for debate. An OLED screen vs an IPS is arguing a screen with a KNOWN and unavoidable DEFECT vs a screen without said defect.

My points of argument have tangible consequences to the end user.

You're already going the wrong direction when you start to realize what 'effective' truly means here.

Not at all. Effective is what works, by definition. I when in exactly the correct direction.

Effective for Nintendo's bottom line, it certainly is. Effective certainly isn't 'risking drift'.

You, like others in this discussion, are fixated on a problem that no longer exists, hasn't existed for a number of years and will not come about again because it's been engineered out.

And yes, purposefully creating more E-waste by shortening the life cycle of products and prompting more replacements is definitely nasty. The fact we consider it normal only goes to show how detached we are from any rational thought, because of how blind we are/choose to be as consumers.

You're absolutely right. Including a screen with a known defect will result in E-waste when people start throwing their systems with burned in screens in the rubbish bin. So Nintendo did right on that choice.

It amounts to a lot of hand waving at nothing and crying over spilled milk than has long since been cleaned up and washed away.

 

[Hecate91]

Some of us don't want that. OLED has burn-in problems. IPS does not.

I'm just saying OLED should be an option given the price of the system. I can understand some wouldn't want an OLED screen, but newer OLED panels are much less prone to burn in.

I don't care about that. As long as they work accurately, it doesn't matter how they work.

Of course you don't given your defense for Nintendo using cheap potentiometer sticks, you'll buy one anyway.
A lot of people do care about the sticks, but Nintendo knows they can save a few cents to keep profit margins higher and the fans will still defend them for it. HE joysticks are dirt cheap, there is no reason for them not to use more durable sticks on the Switch 2.

The SOC chosen is 8 to 10 times more powerful than the previous gen. Absolutely excellent games were produced for the first Switch. That tradition will continue just fine with what was chosen.

That isn't saying much with how slow the first Switch was.

Buy a PC and talk to everyone about price.

The Steam Deck is a PC, and it's cheaper than a Switch 2.

Maybe not, but I do get to call out whiners in their BS anytime I see it.

Discussing a real problem isn't whining, but anyone who disagrees with you must be a "Nintendo hater".

 

[Vayra86]

You, like others in this discussion, are fixated on a problem that no longer exists, hasn't existed for a number of years and will not come about again because it's been engineered out.

It amounts to a lot of hand waving at nothing and crying over spilled milk than has long since been cleaned up and washed away.

So, how has this been engineered out? Provide something more than repeating what you already said, because it got disproved by numerous examples already.

 

[ratirt]

I'm just saying OLED should be an option given the price of the system. I can understand some wouldn't want an OLED screen, but newer OLED panels are much less prone to burn in.

Price of the system? What is wrong with the price of the system? Please explain, because arguing that things are getting overpriced, considering what they offer, nowadays is ludicrous.
What is the Nintendo's MSRP, how did the MSRP's look like for previous Nintendo products over a decade and how the current release's MSRP stacks against current consoles MSRPs?
That is what I want to hear exactly and argumentatively explained. Not just simple the price is too high for what it offers.

 

[lexluthermiester]

I'm just saying OLED should be an option given the price of the system.

And you're welcome to that preference. Not everyone agrees. Maybe Nintendo will do an QDLED or something better when the technology can be made less prone to burn-in. They did an OLED version of the NS1 already, but then they saw the burn-in problems and have naturally moved away from it.

Of course you don't given your defense for Nintendo using cheap potentiometer sticks, you'll buy one anyway.

Is that your less than subtle way of calling me a fanboy MrNaysayer? I have one thing to say to your implication: Bite me!

That isn't saying much with how slow the first Switch was.

More Moose Muffins! The TegraX1 was a THEE premium ARM based SOC for it's time. It was very competitive while also being very portable. Your opinions seem to be lacking historical context and thus merit.

The Steam Deck is a PC, and it's cheaper than a Switch 2.

It's also less powerful by a big margin. So your point was?

Discussing a real problem isn't whining, but anyone who disagrees with you must be a "Nintendo hater".

Real problems? Sure. The problems you and others are complaining about? No, that's whining.

So, how has this been engineered out?

Does the problem still exist? No? Oh, well then..

Provide something more than repeating what you already said

The onus isn't on me. You, and the others, are bemoaning a problem that no longer exists as though it's a real problem that exists. YOU have to prove it's a real problem. I do not have to prove it isn't.

because it got disproved by numerous examples already.

Complete hogwash.

 

[Vayra86]

The onus isn't one me. You, and the others, are bemoaning a problem that no longer exist as though it's a real problem that exists. YOU have to prove it a real problem. I do not have to prove it isn't.

Complete hogwash.

Yep, and with that fantastic retort, your whole argument is dead in the water and your credibility once more takes a massive hit.

Shame, really, the way you try so desperately to be right that its clear as day you haven't got anything.

I wasn't talking about the problem, I was asking about you knowing its no longer a problem. What did you base that on? A design change. So where is it? Since you know, you know... Now you're just underlining you don't know anything at all, its just coming straight out of your ass.

As for it supposedly not being something that exists, okay, here you go

How to Fix Joy-Con Drift Without Disassembly

This guide shows how to fix Joy-Con drift for the Nintendo Switch Joy-Cons. Joy-Con drift is when the Nintendo Switch thinks that the analog stick...

nl.ifixit.com

Joy-Con drift may occur as you use the Joy-Cons over time from dust and debris building up. You do not need to disassemble the Joy-Con for this repair. In addition, this guide will not corrode any parts of your Joy-Con controller.

How to Fix Joy-Con Drift on the Nintendo Switch: Full Guide

Learn how to fix your Joy-Cons with or without opening them up Are you experiencing Joy-Con drift in your Nintendo Switch controllers and wondering how to fix it? You've come to the right place! In this article, we go over several ways to...

www.wikihow.com

How to Fix Joy-Con Drift on Nintendo Switch and Switch Lite

Joy-Con drift is a common issue for Nintendo Switch owners. Here's what causes Joy-Con drift and how to fix a Nintendo Switch controller.

www.lifewire.com

Here's how to fix Joy-Con drift—and make them better

Drift be gone.

www.reviewed.com

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