Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

TRWOV · Aug 6, 2015

R-T-B said:
You wanna know something brutally ironic?

IDE FDD-style floppy drives still work... including 5.25" models.

LOL XD

Well, I ended up using driver backup to get my USB floppy driver working. All my elegible machines are on W10 now except for the ones with the 865/875 chipsets. They didn't work alright with W8 (some hiccups here and there and W8 took aeons to load on my Conroe865PE for some reason, even on an SSD) so I'd guess W10 would perform in a similar way if not worse. Those will stay with W7.

Ahhzz · Aug 6, 2015

jboydgolfer said:
can that copy be used for another PC? i know its not supposed to be, but can it?

There's a method somewhere here.... Can't seem to locate it on search. I printed it and took it home. I'll try to check tonite. Somewhere, there's a method to transfer your OEM license to a different install version.... that might get what you need....

1.61803398875 · Aug 7, 2015

I am a Windows 7 lover. I am not going to be switching to Windows 10 any time soon.

jboydgolfer · Aug 7, 2015

I've installed win 10 3 separate times now, and each time I am plagued by display driver crashes, freezes, and general shitty performance. I understand that it takes time to "work out the kinks", but I cannot justify running it in the meantime....no more than I would use a coffee cup full of holes while they were being patched up.

Mussels · Aug 7, 2015

jboydgolfer said:
I've installed win 10 3 separate times now, and each time I am plagued by display driver crashes, freezes, and general shitty performance. I understand that it takes time to "work out the kinks", but I cannot justify running it in the meantime....no more than I would use a coffee cup full of holes while they were being patched up.

your specs are really similar to mine, so i find it odd you're having so many issues.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Aug 7, 2015

MxPhenom 216 said:
Upgrading to Windows 10 as soon as the reservation thing lets me.

Download the tool. I got it immediately. Already running Windows 10 full time. Upgrading all the computers in the house this weekend with it too.

jboydgolfer said:
I've installed win 10 3 separate times now, and each time I am plagued by display driver crashes, freezes, and general shitty performance. I understand that it takes time to "work out the kinks", but I cannot justify running it in the meantime....no more than I would use a coffee cup full of holes while they were being patched up.

Mussels said:
your specs are really similar to mine, so i find it odd you're having so many issues.

I blame AMD.

BarbaricSoul · Aug 7, 2015

I plan on upgrading to 10 on my desktop after I finish my college classes in 3 weeks. Cant chance something going wrong right now.

Nordic · Aug 7, 2015

Installed on 3/4 computers that I plan on using. The one left is my main that I use most. Will wait a few months to upgrade it.

laszlo · Aug 7, 2015

no upgrade as 7 is mature and don't trust MS "free" upgrade....

nothing is free and must be a catch;i assume after free period ends you'll be asked to pay subscription(s) for features..

once NSA was caught in 8 with back doors provided by MS how can i trust MS on 10?;is the perfect opportunity for them to spy more giving something "free"

http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/
http://www.techworm.net/2014/10/microsofts-windows-10-permission-watch-every-move.html

jboydgolfer · Aug 7, 2015

Mussels said:
your specs are really similar to mine, so i find it odd you're having so many issues.

I find it more annoying than odd personally

, but after all Im the one getting the crashes. Example....NewEgg.com loading on FF caused 6 display driver crashes O_O. 99% of my crashes were AMD driver related messages....then I tried launching GPUZ stress test, and it just froze...all three times i tried it, Sims3 Pets was another one.

I was using the Win 10 AMD latest driver too. Hell, even my "shut Down" button wouldnt work in Start menu..it would just restart, It was fixed from suggestions I found on TPU, but still..

I used my Seagate Disc Wizz back-up to roll back to More stable times last night.

Im understanding though...its new, and theres things to iron out...in time im sure it'll be much better...hopefully

Mussels · Aug 7, 2015

jboydgolfer said:
I find it more annoying than odd personally , but after all Im the one getting the crashes. Example....NewEgg.com loading on FF caused 6 display driver crashes O_O. 99% of my crashes were AMD driver related messages....then I tried launching GPUZ stress test, and it just froze...all three times i tried it, Sims3 Pets was another one.

I was using the Win 10 AMD latest driver too. Hell, even my "shut Down" button wouldnt work in Start menu..it would just restart, It was fixed from suggestions I found on TPU, but still..

I used my Seagate Disc Wizz back-up to roll back to More stable times last night.

Im understanding though...its new, and theres things to iron out...in time im sure it'll be much better...hopefully

maybe try a clean upgrade next time. with hardware so close to mine (i'm still on my 7970, and have 6870's in my secondary system) you'd think the experience would be similar.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Aug 7, 2015

laszlo said:
no upgrade as 7 is mature and don't trust MS "free" upgrade....

nothing is free and must be a catch;i assume after free period ends you'll be asked to pay subscription(s) for features..

once NSA was caught in 8 with back doors provided by MS how can i trust MS on 10?;is the perfect opportunity for them to spy more giving something "free"

http://bgr.com/2015/07/31/windows-10-upgrade-spying-how-to-opt-out/
http://www.techworm.net/2014/10/microsofts-windows-10-permission-watch-every-move.html

People really need to stop with the whole subscription nonsense. Microsoft has already stated that that will not be the case. Why the hell do people cling on to this notion?

JunkBear · Aug 7, 2015

Why going w10 knowing theres still bugs, the licence grant them the right to gather all you do on it and Win7 still revive old computer that lagged under vista

Vayra86 · Aug 7, 2015

Not upgrading yet mainly because Microsoft has a sketchy policy regarding a downgrade back to 7. I have a license for 7 right now that is inherently better than what I'll get after upgrading. Going back with the same license key? Only within the month, otherwise you're stuck with 10 forever.

No fucking way.

Another point I'd make for not upgrading is the infestation of the new OS with online links and widgets. They are still pushing the ridiculous live tiles that I don't ever want or need. Once they implement a no-hassle option to turn that off entirely, I might reconsider. The whole Windows 10 idea and the 'free' upgrade for 7/8 licenses does stink a little, mainly because Microsoft is going to be trying to get you to spend money on worthless apps that are free on 7.

Most importantly though, the only real carrot for upgrading that I see is DX12, which really isn't a carrot until mid 2016 or maybe even early 2017.

EarthDog · Aug 7, 2015

I thought you can use both.. We have a HUGE thread on this at OCF...

Vayra86 · Aug 7, 2015

EarthDog said:
I thought you can use both.. We have a HUGE thread on this at OCF...

Users that have sent the issue to support have gotten answers that they have a month to downgrade again, beyond that period the key will be locked into W10 and its a hassle going back, at the very least.

EarthDog · Aug 7, 2015

I will have to look at our thread again to double check. I will report back if I find different.

vega22 · Aug 7, 2015

in no rush to beta another windows thanks.

i made that mistake with vista which was equally ground breaking.

dx12 will be nice, if any games ever use it.

steamos has more chance of being my next os if i am honest.

Easy Rhino · Aug 7, 2015

Can't move the x58 box to Win 10 yet because the audio driver support blows.

RejZoR · Aug 10, 2015

From the looks of it I'll be more "returnik" than "refusenik". Windows 10 is just too buggy and quirky. When it works, it works well, but when it doens't it's full of bizarre BS. I'll go back to Windows 8.1 today...

Mussels · Aug 10, 2015

my one problem with windows 10, it waking from sleep and hibernate on its own was resolved. TeamViewer 10 wakes the PC from sleep without that being recorded in the windows logs anywhere.

RejZoR · Aug 10, 2015

For me it's stability issues and stalling for no apparent reason. Same settings worked great in Win8.1 but here it's all down to luck...

Aquinus · Aug 10, 2015

Mussels said:
my one problem with windows 10, it waking from sleep and hibernate on its own was resolved. TeamViewer 10 wakes the PC from sleep without that being recorded in the windows logs anywhere.

My machine would always wake up after going to sleep in Windows 7. Window 10 seems to let my tower sleep. So while my idle is now down to 150-watt, sleeping at 6-watts is a lot better.

The only issue I'm having is slightly reduced performance from graphical applications. I suspect it has something to do with the new WDDM 2.0 drivers. It has been stable otherwise, at least for me. No weird crashes, no BSODs, it seems to just work for me. Maybe I got lucky? My wife wants me to upgrade her laptop to Windows 10, so we'll see how that goes later in the week.

Caring1 · Aug 10, 2015

The only issue I've come across on my Acer laptop so far is HWMonitor disappeared after the W10 upgrade.
Used the search function and there was no trace of it, so I had to download and install the exact same version again.

Easy Rhino · Aug 10, 2015

Windows 10 makes a nice little VM when KVM is the host and using the RHEL virtual storage drivers.

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Now that W10 is out, are you a W7 / W8 refusenik?

Now that W10 is out, are you a W7/W8 refusenik?

Yes

No

Wait and see how W10 develops over the next few months

Gotta try it out a bit more

Depends on how good DX12 is and the support it gets

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