NVIDIA Accused of Acting as "GPU Cartel" and Controlling Supply

[Daven]

AMD deserves what it gets. They can't put the graphics market as a ninth priority out of nine, badly underperform with most of the graphics solutions (exception is only Radeon RX 6000 series), and expect a welcome attitude from anyone, even the AMD loyaltists.

I’m guessing you are young and think that the tech market started when you started paying attention to it.

 

[wNotyarD]

And "we unlaunched RTX 4080 12GB because name would be confusing"

Proceeds to launch the RTX 3050 6GB to much less fanfare.

 

[Dimitriman]

"They just don't ship after a customer has ordered. They are the GPU cartel, and they control all supply,"

 

[Denver]

No name company cries nobody buying their stuff. They even don't make GPUs they are making Language Processing Unit (LPU).

And Scott Herkelman is pathological liar.

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I pay ROG taxes if it has AMD logo.

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Of course, only Nvidia tells the truth. GPP was an illusion. Have you kissed Jensen's feet today?

I'm going to hope that the regulators' hand doesn't reach our innocent and holy Jensen.

 

[Klemc]

And AMD (ATI), they are like anti-cartel team ?

 

[Kohl Baas]

Of course, only Nvidia tells the truth. GPP was an illusion. Have you kissed Jensen's feet today?

I'm going to hope that the regulators' hand doesn't reach our innocent and holy Jensen.

#churchofjensen ?

 

[bug]

And AMD (ATI), they are like anti-cartel team ?

Oh, AMD would turn into another Salvation Army if it weren't for the evil Nvidia (and Intel). Didn't you get the memo?

 

[lexluthermiester]

And Scott Herkelman is pathological liar.

That's a bit harsh. It's also a bit libelous.

 

[nguyen]

That's a bit harsh. It's also a bit libelous.

You mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?

 

[Chomiq]

You mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?

He forgot to throw in air quotes.

 

[Denver]

You mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?

The XTX can be almost 2x faster than the 6900XT depending on the case. N31 is a monstrous GPU, it would look much better if AMD had the money left over to stick engineers in all the studios like Nvidia does.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You mean Scott walked on stage and told everyone that RDNA3 would be 50-70% faster than RDNA2 didn't make him a liar?

Seriously? That's the argument you're going to present? News flash for you there, RDNA3 IS 50% to 70% faster than RDNA2 in many benchmarks, some of them more. So how does that make him a lair?

 

[Daven]

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The XTX can be almost 2x faster than the 6900XT depending on the case. N31 is a monstrous GPU, it would look much better if AMD had the money left over to stick engineers in all the studios like Nvidia does.

Good example showing the 7900xt beating the 6900xt by over 50% as stated by AMD. This is why its hard to give blanket performance metrics. Increases in performance are very game, platform and settings dependent.

 

[nguyen]

Seriously? That's the argument you're going to present? News flash for you there, RDNA3 IS 50% to 70% faster than RDNA2 in many benchmarks, some of them more. So how does that make him a lair?

LOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT

Definitely "not a liar"

 

[Kipicog]

AMDs MCM approach for GPUs failed pretty hard...

Typically MCM will deliver much better efficiency. We saw that with Zen. However RDNA3 is completely messed up in this regard.

I wonder if AMD will go back to a monolithic design for Radeon 8000 series.

Watt usage (games, video and multi monitor usage), drivers and support (early access titles and lesser popular titles just run bad on AMD, most emulators included), features like Reflex, DLSS, DLAA, DLDSR including ray tracing and path tracing, everything is just inferior on the AMD side. Hence the lower price and still its not selling well. AMD is in full panic mode when it comes to software in general.

AMD needs to focus on low to mid-end or Intel will eat them alive with Arc in a few years. When Intel starts blasting out Arc on their own nodes and AMD still relies 100% on TSMC which will milk them dry (because of node competition). Apple and Nvidia have priority at TSMC, even Intel has more money to go 3nm before AMD is able to use it. If AMD will use TSMC 4/5n instead of 3n, money is the reason.

Starting to miss ATi, at least they focused solely on GPUs. AMD don't and never will.'

Atleast AMD fixed the massive power spike issues present in 6800 and 6900 series with 7000 series tho.

 

[lexluthermiester]

LOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT
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Definitely "not a liar"

You're citing Hardware Unboxed? Really?!? That alone is embarrassing for you.. Steve Walton is incompetent and a known sellout. Nothing he presents can be trusted. LTT is a better source of benchmark data...

 

[nguyen]

You're citing Hardware Unboxed? Really?!? That alone is embarrassing for you.. Steve Walton is incompetent and a known sellout. Nothing he presents can be trusted. LTT is a better source of benchmark data...

Are you kidding me ? Linus straight up told everyone AMD paid him to promote AMD in the WAN show, he was pretty open about that.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Are you kidding me ?

No, not at all.

Linus straight up told everyone AMD paid him to promote AMD, he was pretty open about that.

Thus my point. Perhaps that was too subtle for you..

 

[Shtb]

It doesn't matter. It works because it just works! /s

 

[nguyen]

No, not at all.

Thus my point. Perhaps that was too subtle for you..

Well I guess Scott is just as "trustworthy" as Linus then

 

[Daven]

LOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT
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Definitely "not a liar"

Which GPUs were being compared in the AMD slide? The 7900XTX is almost 50% faster than the 6900XT in the 14 game test.

Edit: Nvm I see its the 6950XT.

 

[Denver]

LOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT
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Definitely "not a liar"

I can guarantee that you will get the widest possible margins of difference between two systems using the same games. So TPU is fake and other sites are too?

No, I do not believe. They're just different methodologies.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Well I guess Scott is just as "trustworthy" as Linus then

No more or less than Steve Walton or even you for that matter.

 

[Noyand]

The behavior is not unexpected. Take the below article as example. While Asrock did not explicitly mention that it is difficult to work with Nvidia such that they can also produce Nvidia GPUs, but it is implied. In another example, for companies producing both AMD and Nvidia cards, notice that AMD cards are never given the high end treatment, i.e. Asus TUF is the top tier AMD GPU model. The same can be observed with MSI and Gigabyte. The likes of the big 3 here are established brands which I believe Nvidia have to make an exception to allow them to also produce competitors' products but to make them less desirable.

"never" mostly apply to this generation (except MSI, but they also never do a high end unify ITX AMD board ). Asus and Gigabyte at least tried for the last gen. For me one of two things happened :

1/once AMD got out of their drought at the high-end, Nvidia did a move in the shadows.
2/ People were just less willing to "overpay" on the AMD sides when sapphire exist and offer similar cooler performance for cheaper. The was strix RX 6800 was almost as expensive as the RX 6800Xt nitro +!!!! (But that's assuming that most AMD customers are looking for value first and foremost above all else)

 

[Chomiq]

LOL launch data showed 7900XTX a measly 35% faster than RDNA2 6950XT
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Definitely "not a liar"

Lie - to say or write something that you know is not true