NVIDIA Confirms Issues Cropping Up With Turing-based Cards, "It's Not a Broad Issue"

[EarthDog]

Yet consumers lot more wattage and runs hot.

Did you read what I posted? With respect, if you did and understood it you should have walked away thinking a card that is ~25% faster than its predecessor uses 6% more power. If you want to REALLY compare apples to apples, the Reference 2080 Ti is 250W and would be ~23% faster at the same power.

Clocks are actually similar, etc.

4. 3584 vs 4352 cuda cores = 18 % more cuda cores for 25% more performance boost. Not an impressive achievement in my eyes.

ON that point, which was never part of mcraygsx's post to which I responded to, that is correct.

 

[GoldenX]

My condolences for those who are affected.

 

[EarthDog]

What is your point now, mcraygsx? These show what I was saying....

267W vs 289W (8% difference in gaming LESS in Furmark but who in their right mind furmarks) and 25% better results..........so, THANKS!

I mean are you really trying to convey that 8% is "A LOT" more power??? Even against a performance increase of 25% (1440+ resolutions)? I mean, I can't fight that nonsense....

You should go back and re read the review perhaps if you would like to compare apples to apples.

Speaking in code isn't helping. What did I miss in an apples to apples comparison? You are aware that there is an FE model and a Reference model from NVIDIA with different specs, right?
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/rtx-2080-ti/

I used the whitepaper values of the cards... this is real world testing and will vary from test to test.


Stick with me peeps or be clear in sharing what I am missing here!

 

[unikin]

These cards will run at sub 200W levels with higher frequencies on 7nm dies. That will be real RTX. Today's 20 RTX GPUs are just beta testing tools paid by wealthy impatient Nvidia fanboys.

 

[hat]

"It's never a huge issue... until it is"

Fact: users with issues are often very vocal, contrary to users who just bought their shit, didn't have issues and lived happily ever after
Fact: we don't know how many bad cards are out there compared to good cards
Fact: we don't know how many good cards are out there that will suffer an untimely failure

So, it's too early to tell whether it's a massive issue or not. All we can do is speculate. I speculate that nVidia wouldn't push a large number of bad cards out the door. That would lead to a lot of unhappy customers, bad PR, additional costs involved with all those RMAs... it wouldn't be very wise.

 

[EarthDog]

"It's never a huge issue... until it is"

Fact: users with issues are often very vocal, contrary to users who just bought their shit, didn't have issues and lived happily ever after
Fact: we don't know how many bad cards are out there compared to good cards
Fact: we don't know how many good cards are out there that will suffer an untimely failure

So, it's too early to tell whether it's a massive issue or not. All we can do is speculate. I speculate that nVidia wouldn't push a large number of bad cards out the door. That would lead to a lot of unhappy customers, bad PR, additional costs involved with all those RMAs... it wouldn't be very wise.

TPU members, I present to you, a voice of reason.

Thank you, thank you Hat!!!!!

 

[jaggerwild]

A $1200 fuck up , period!!! Shouldnt be happening, but when your an Early adapoter........

 

[unikin]

"It's never a huge issue... until it is"

Fact: users with issues are often very vocal, contrary to users who just bought their shit, didn't have issues and lived happily ever after
Fact: we don't know how many bad cards are out there compared to good cards
Fact: we don't know how many good cards are out there that will suffer an untimely failure

So, it's too early to tell whether it's a massive issue or not. All we can do is speculate. I speculate that nVidia wouldn't push a large number of bad cards out the door. That would lead to a lot of unhappy customers, bad PR, additional costs involved with all those RMAs... it wouldn't be very wise.

NVidia never meant to produce a lot of RTX 2080 TI cards to begin with. I work in car industry and from my experience, when supplier is given order to produce millions of particular part, number of defective units will be small and fall even lower over time (to 2-3 parts per million). On the other hand, if you task supplier with producing only few 100.000s parts, you'll be in trouble as quality deteriorates substantially. Given complexity of Nvidia's large dies and low volumes, it doesn't surprise me they're having hard time achieving high quality production lines with sustainable production costs.

 

[mcraygsx]

TPU members, I present to you, a voice of reason.

Thank you, thank you Hat!!!!!

My point being the larger GPU require more complex manufacturing process thus probability of a defect increases. Yield to die size ratio is not proportional.
That is why new GPU start off with smaller nodes e.g. 2080/2070. In this case they rushed 2080 Ti on released date unlike previous generations.
I am sorry if my FERMI joke triggered you this bad. But staying on topic it seems like quality assurance really lacked this time around.

 

[EarthDog]

Triggered? Naa holmes, just correcting information (that you tried to assert twice is correct) is all.

 

[EarthDog]

Not sure why you keep posting man... its all good here! Wrongs were righted and all is well in the World.

LOL, you deleted your posts trying to defend your point......... LOLOLOL

 

[R0H1T]

No you don't have to ask, RTX is just a card ~ even if it is bad, it's bad for anyone who's bought it btw everyone else don't need to have an opinion of it.

 

[95Viper]

Get back on topic, please.
No more, back and forth, retaliatory comments.
Thank You.

 

[Xzibit]

Hardware Unboxed just reported that one of their RTX 2080 TI just died. This is not normal deficiency rate, given that only few thousand RTX 2080 TI has been sold by now:

NVidia will of course deny everything. That's what their corp PR department is for. Never admit a problem until proven wrong and even then minimize it's importance. That's how corporations play the game, Nvidia is no different. Their responsability lies with shareholders not consumers.

3 out of 9 are bad for System Integrator, Ouch

 

[RealNeil]

A $1200 **ck up , period!!! Shouldn't be happening, but when you're an early adapter........

Is this why they call it the bleeding edge and not the leading edge?

This shouldn’t be happening at all, certainly not at its price point.

This, most definitely this.
For the money outlay, they should be perfect.
I was choking on the prices of these things anyway.
Maybe it's bad Joss, or maybe, (just maybe) it's Karma slapping them around for their over the top greed.

 

[hat]

A $1200 fuck up , period!!! Shouldnt be happening, but when your an Early adapoter........

That's why there's terms like "early adopter tax". Not only are you paying big for the product, but you're also getting it before any improvements are made... that means neat bonuses like the G0 stepping Q6600s or D0 i7 920s, for example, or seemingly glaring issues like this. I'm still not sure it's as bad as it's made out to be, though. The truth exists somewhere among sensationalism, fanboys, potentially bad journalism and small (or just bad) sample size.

NVidia never meant to produce a lot of RTX 2080 TI cards to begin with. I work in car industry and from my experience, when supplier is given order to produce millions of particular part, number of defective units will be small and fall even lower over time (to 2-3 parts per million). On the other hand, if you task supplier with producing only few 100.000s parts, you'll be in trouble as quality deteriorates substantially. Given complexity of Nvidia's large dies and low volumes, it doesn't surprise me they're having hard time achieving high quality production lines with sustainable production costs.

I work in a plastics plant (also manufacturing) and I could tell you different. However, you can't apply the same line of thinking to laundry baskets, car parts and video cards...

These chips are some of the biggest ever, which is why yields are poor. I'm sure the process can improve over time, but that doesn't excuse an unreasonably large number of bad parts being shipped out (if that is indeed the case).

This, most definitely this.
For the money outlay, they should be perfect.
I was choking on the prices of these things anyway.
Maybe it's bad Joss, or maybe, (just maybe) it's Karma slapping them around for their over the top greed.

2080Ti are more susceptible to failure than cheaper cards because they're more complex. As I said above, though, that still doesn't excuse poor QC.

 

[Assimilator]

This thread is giving me cancer; someone even used the term "nvidiot" unironically. I'm more concerned, however, by the elaborate-but-nonsensical conspiracy theories being slung around, especially the "NVIDIA knew this would happen" ones. In what universe does it ever benefit NVIDIA to release known defective products? Especially when they have no competition at that level and therefore no need to rush said products' release? Honestly.

Unless you enjoy showing your irrational hate of "the enemy" NVIDIA as well as your deficient IQs, how's about y'all quiet down and wait for more concrete facts to be released before making fools of yourselves.

 

[HuLkY]

That's sad news, so if someone wants to buy now the best choice is to wait for this storm to pass? maybe nVidia will release a new batch with a permanent fix for this?

 

[medi01]

Here's the thing though; knowing about the memory configuration did nothing to change how the card performed. And the card DID have 4gb of memory on it. Generally the only way that people were able to figure out the issue were by, usually, artificially loading up the memory to cause it to switch over to slow mode.

There is a reason they were forced to pay 970 customers after losing class lawsuit.

 

[Totally]

Issues can and will happen no matter the price point ( of course not ideal but hey we don't live in a perfect world ) the most important is how the company having those issues does handle them . As long as NVIDIA provides a decent service for those having issues there is no point to make a fuss about it.

May I ask what previous instances of new cards dying shortly after moderate use?

 

[Aquinus]

Sounds like a bad batch of GDDR6 that should have been caught by QA.

 

[zenlaserman]

Sounds like a bad batch of GDDR6 that should have been caught by QA.

...possibly exacerbated by the fact that a lot of people are overclocking it. First gen of new graphics memory tends to not have much OC headroom, esp long-term.

It appears that the GDDR6 on most of these cards is specified at 1750MHz and that's what they are already clocked at out of the box.

 

[Xzibit]

Dejavu ?

Guru3D - Manufacturers roll out firmware updates for GeForce GTX 1070 due to memory Issues

Some users also have reported that at default configuration they noticed the occasional odd issue like flickering or experiencing graphical artifacts.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Sorry, but when you ask more than 1000$ for a RTX 2080 card and way more for the "Ti", there is absolutelly NO EXCUSE to release a faulty product. Considering how much they cost, the testing of those cards should have been excessive to say the least.

 

[LiveOrDie]

"crashes, black screens, blue screen of death issues, artifacts" Yep got all of these plus lockups with driver crashes this was on a Asus 2080 OC, the card cooked it self on idle the fans never turned on only when the card was underload, the backplate i could of cooked eggs on, i returned it and i wont be getting other one.