NVIDIA GeForce 4XX Series Discussion

Steevo · Feb 12, 2010

My name is Stephen, and I have a red beard.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 12, 2010

Steevo said:
My name is Stephen, and I have a red beard.

My name is Ben and I also have a red beard. We should start a club. Maybe we could even become pirates. But calling ourselves "The Red Beards" might be kinda......gay?

Wile E · Feb 12, 2010

My name is Keith, and I also have a red beard.

TheMailMan78 · Feb 12, 2010

Wile E said:
My name is Keith, and I also have a red beard.

Thats it! We will be pirates!

mastrdrver · Feb 12, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
This thread has lost all direction. Its become an ATI vs Nividia thread all over again. I wish we could all have some kinda Braveheart style nerd battle. Dan could play Longshanks and Ill play Stephen the crazy Irishman. I have no idea about the rest of the casting but the battle would be of epic nerdom!

http://www.filmreference.com/images/sjff_03_img1104.jpg

edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units#GeForce_400_Series

Apparently we are all wrong. That Wiki article lists die at 576mm2! :eek:

It really is a monster! :laugh:

Kursah · Feb 12, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
Thats it! We will be pirates!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1043/885234041_dba42b981d.jpg?v=0

My name is Sean and I have a red beard...but not that kinda red beard lol. Though I am looking forward to seeing what the GTX4xx finally brings to the table to keep things sorta on topic lol. At worst I can't afford one and gotta go HD5xxx when I decide to upgrade, think I'm gonna go i5/ddr3/p55 first though.

phanbuey · Feb 12, 2010

Nvidia is going to come out and go "JUST KIDDING!!! teehee. We're leaving the High end market... high end is for suckers."

"We have bought S3 and re-branded this chrome gtx into our new gtx645... We needed that time to put all these stickers on the S3 stock. It has really good picture quality... it can do 64X AA... on your powerpoints. Never have jaggies in your graphs again!!!"

"Also... we're getting rid of that chick in the bathing suit as our mascot... whats her name? Ru... eerr.. adrianne? whatever. We're going back to the fat guy. But he has a red beard now so its cool."

roast · Feb 12, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
Thats it! We will be pirates!

I have a red beard too.

phanbuey said:
Nvidia is going to come out and go "JUST KIDDING!!! teehee. We're leaving the High end market... high end is for suckers."

"We have bought S3 and re-branded this chrome gtx into our new gtx645... We needed that time to put all these stickers on the S3 stock. It has really good picture quality... it can do 64X AA... on your powerpoints. Never have jaggies in your graphs again!!!"

"Also... we're getting rid of that chick in the bathing suit as our mascot... whats her name? Ru... eerr.. adrianne? whatever. We're going back to the fat guy. But he has a red beard now so its cool."

Hilarious!

I still cant get over the fact nVidia is taking so long at releasing these cards.... I mean, WTF?
They must have some trick up thier sleeve...

qubit · Feb 12, 2010

My name is

My name is qubit and with the awsome power of my quantum logic, I don't know whether I'm coming or going! :roll:

yogurt_21 · Feb 12, 2010

my name is Josh and I don't have a red beard. Sigh, I guess I'll start the support group of red beardless guys who wanted to be pirates.

we can join it with the fermi-less guys support group.

GSquadron · Feb 12, 2010

Ati = Red beards

GC_PaNzerFIN · Feb 12, 2010

Guys, could you PLEASE ease up with the offtopic? Every darn Fermi thread is discussion about anythign but fermi, every time I see 3 new pages thinking maybe there is some real discussion its just random lulz.

phanbuey · Feb 12, 2010

GC_PaNzerFIN said:
Guys, could you PLEASE ease up with the offtopic? Every darn Fermi thread is discussion about anythign but fermi, every time I see 3 new pages thinking maybe there is some real discussion its just random lulz.

Well its a bit appropriate since there is literally nothing that's on topic that hasn't already been posted 15 times :ohwell:

Nvidia is passively killing this thread.

GSquadron · Feb 12, 2010

Better go to the ati 5xxx series poll

roast · Feb 12, 2010

phanbuey said:
Well its a bit appropriate since there is literally nothing that's on topic that hasn't already been posted 15 times

Nvidia is passively killing this thread.

Indeed.
Random lulz are in much more plentiful supply than relevant fermi news anyway.

Mussels · Feb 12, 2010

roast said:
Indeed.
Random lulz are in much more plentiful supply than relevant fermi ~~news[s/] anyway.~~

~~fixed.~~

Steevo · Feb 12, 2010

The red beard pirates are going to storm Nvidia headquarters and slaughter the Nvidiots!

Clement · Feb 12, 2010

Since it wasn't said here it is relevant :roll:

The last hard roadmap I could find...

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/01/nvidia-roadmaps-turn/

linked from here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=233452

BTW I do have a REAL red beard...and I am a red beard (loyal for life! except that one time...)... :rockout:

eidairaman1 · Feb 12, 2010

TheMailMan78 said:
Thats it! We will be pirates!

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1043/885234041_dba42b981d.jpg?v=0

AAAARRRRHHHH!

mastrdrver · Feb 13, 2010

My red beard conquers all!

MKmods · Feb 13, 2010

Steevo said:
My name is Stephen, and I have a red beard.

LOL, I started a thread at Neweggs forum "I have a yellow Pencil" and its 2.7K posts so far :laugh:

Never underestimate peoples need to babble on and on

Clement · Feb 13, 2010

MKmods said:
LOL, I started a thread at Neweggs forum "I have a yellow Pencil" and its 2.7K posts so far

Never underestimate peoples need to babble on and on

Try to put that into a computer program and make it as beautiful (or messy?) as humans can do!!! :laugh:

KainXS · Feb 13, 2010

Clement said:
Since it wasn't said here it is relevant

The last hard roadmap I could find...

http://www.semiaccurate.com/2009/09/01/nvidia-roadmaps-turn/

linked from here:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=233452

BTW I do have a REAL red beard...and I am a red beard (loyal for life! except that one time...)...

seeing how the GT330 ended up being a butchered fusion between a 9800GT, that page is wrong lol

=)

it LIVES

ToTTenTranz · Feb 13, 2010

Wait.. there's a desktop GT330??

mastrdrver · Feb 13, 2010

ToTTenTranz said:
It's just that mastrdrver's assumption that Fermi "will really decimate the 5 series in heavy tessellation" is a bit ridiculous at this point.

After rereading the Tech Report Fermi article I was like to revisit this for a second.

Charlie's big thing was the RV800 has a dedicated tessellator. In fact, ATI clusters the whole setup engine before the entire SMID array (adding in an extra rastorizer). Though, the extra raster doesn't increase triangle output.

Contrast that to Fermi where each of the 16 shading clusters has a tessellator. Then, it has 4 rastorizers so max theoretical triangles output is 4 per clock cycle.

So, what happens when we start getting carried away with DX11 and the ability to radically increase poly counts? Fermi has 16 tessellators to extrapolate the simple poly map into XXX amount more. Fermi can also raster just short of 4 polys per clock.

Scott (Tech Report) sums up the whole thing nicely.

Obviously, the GF100 is a major architectural transition for Nvidia, which helps explain its rather difficult birth. The advances it promises in both GPU computing and geometry processing capabilities are pretty radical and could be well worth the pain Nvidia is now enduring, when all is said and done. The company has tackled problems in this generation of technology that its competition will have to address eventually.

If that great feature of DX11, the ability to increase poly count exponentially from a simple map as its the only thing everyone is talking about, then your going to need to greatly increase geometry and poly throughput per clock. Which means your going to have to make it highly parallel. Now, how you go about doing that is up to them. One thing is certain, unless ATI can make that setup engine extrapolate more than what it has right now, we are going to be back at RV670 all over again in DX11 titles with tessellation. It will get even worse when you take away SMID arrays to make up the lower end cards. Having a monster poly and geometry ability on the front end doesn't help at all when you take away half of the SMID so you can make the lower end parts. You end up with a highly bottlenecked part that is chocked.

Why do all the rumors keep saying the 6 series is an architectural change for ATI? Cause they even realize it. Like I said they don't have to do it the same way as nVidia, as I would doubt they would. Though, geometry and poly throughput is going to need to be able to increase while not suffering shader performance. It will be interesting to see how the R900 does compared to Fermi (once nVidia gets it running right :shadedshu)

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