NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 Ti 6 GB

[Potatoking]

People who buy Titans pay the development of the GPU. Without Titan cards like 780/980TI would have been more expansive.

Well this would be true if the market wasn't almost a monopoly.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Hey, wth is going on with the 780Ti !?!?
Did nVidia purposely downgraded the performance of the 780Ti through the latest drivers?? What the hell is going on. The 970 is constantly in front of it, even in older games!

Meanwhile on planet Earth, the 780 Ti actually equal with the 970 at the resolutions the card is likely to be used for...

So, you could claim a downgrading of performance compared to the 970's launch, but since Maxwell v2 was fresh out of the oven, it could also be that the new architecture is benefitting from driver optimization. Don't know about you, but I haven't noticed too much in the way of performance degradation (GTX 780 SLI) except for a couple of games that have received patches - and that less f.p.s. orientated than fluidity.
Just for shits and giggles I did a quick comparison of the eleven game benchmarks common to both the 970 launch and todays review. The 970 has increased by 4.3% over the 780 Ti at 2560x1600. Of the games in todays review that hadn't featured previously, Civ Beyond Earth, CoD:AW, Far Cry 4, and GTA 5 all heavily favour the 970 - hardly surprising since they seem sensitive to frame buffer capacity, and the primary reason the overall difference has closed up.

I can see one scary thing. On other sites too... The GM200 actually needs more powerful CPU, the graphs tend to say so in certain situations. Especially at FHD.

Hardly surprising.
Higher power graphics places more onus on the CPU in the system.
The graphical levels, AI, physics, and resolutions being tested place more emphasis on CPU throughput for games that are AI / high game IQ sensitive - namely simulators, RPGs, and games with high levels of CPU physics.
Generally shooters aren't as dependent on CPU speed, caching, thread count as strategy games with large maps and intensive AI.

 

[Prima.Vera]

Yeah, that's the thing. You are comparing 780Ti with the 970 which is bollocks. You should have compare it with the 980, because this was the initial competitor.
The problem is, nVidia improved the drivers for the 9xx series but they didn't do anything to improve the same for 7xx series.
This is callous by nVidia.

 

[GreiverBlade]

Yeah, that's the thing. You are comparing 780Ti with the 970 which is bollocks. You should have compare it with the 980, because this was the initial competitor.
The problem is, nVidia improved the drivers for the 9xx series but they didn't do anything to improve the same for 7xx series.
This is callous by nVidia.

since when a high end of the previous gen is the competitor of a high end of the current gen??? previous high end equal, most of the time, to the 2nd in line after the 1st most powerful card of the current gen, aka:970.

 

[bogami]

For this waste incompletely cut piece of silicone is the price is still too high for $ 150 .Maxvell architecture is to optimize the core and drivers are given the task to fill the missing elements due to the small size. Well it's all .Software are constantly upgrading and this is expected given the progress of technology but we expect 20 nm and it looks like we will have even a year later sold the same processor. Here is the AMD made a huge step and INVIDIA does not have anything like that.
The results on the test are good and currently has no best buy although the competition gets R-9 295x2 for a little longer and longer but this 2 porocesors have a high consumption Well wait on AMD new R-9 390x

 

[buildzoid]

I really don't like coil whine and as you say, it happens everywhere. Certainly all of my cards have it to some degree or another.

Anyway, in my opinion, it's only as noticeable as it is, because the cards are built down to a price. Using an "overpowered" power regulation circuitry with higher capacity (likely physically larger) and higher quality coils would eliminate it, or make it so quiet that you'd have to put your ear to it to hear it. It would achieve this by effectively running that circuitry at something like half its rated power perhaps, along with those improved quality components.

I remember forum members from the Fermi era mentioning that there were such cards with almost no coil whine. I think they may have been EVGA custom builds and significantly more expensive than the standard cards.

Coil whine has no relation to power draw it's related to the size of the core of the inductor and the switching frequency of the VRM. If I set my RIVE to switch at 850KHz I get coil whine at any other frequency there isn't any. So if the VRM was adjusted up or down by 50-100KHz you wouldn't have any coil whine.

 

[Ferrum Master]

Hardly surprising.
Higher power graphics places more onus on the CPU in the system.

The thing is, we haven't seen any significantly better CPU since Nehalem, and and those benches are done on overclocked past 4GHz silicon...

All those benches in sub 4K resolutions are questionable because of that. The differences are within margin of error 2-3FPS.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Yeah, that's the thing. You are comparing 780Ti with the 970 which is bollocks. You should have compare it with the 980, because this was the initial competitor.

No, you should compare it - it's your conspiracy theory. Eleven games are common in the benchmark suite between the launch of the GTX 970/980 and today.

The problem is, nVidia improved the drivers for the 9xx series but they didn't do anything to improve the same for 7xx series.

Generally speaking, driver optimization has a quick drop off after launch - which is why so called miracle drivers tend to be more damp squib than revelation. But don't let me keep you from your comparison- your 4-5% may be more significant than my 4-5%.

This is callous by nVidia.

Damn right, but not as bad as that time they stole that red-headed kid's lunch.

 

[koaschten]

I am a bit confused due this paragraph on page 5 of the review:

Display connectivity options include one DVI port, one HDMI port, and three DisplayPorts. You may use all outputs at the same time, so triple-monitor-surround gaming is possible with one card. With three DP outputs, you can build yourself a triple-monitor G-Sync-surround setup with only a single card!

So does this mean:
a) triple setup with any of the 5 available ports?
b) triple setup using 3 DP ports?
c) quintuple setup using all available ports at the same time?
( d) this is only important for triple monitor display port gsync setups)

IMACONFUSED

 

[rodneyhchef]

I actually like the UK pricing and the performance looks awesome. Depending on Fury, this may very well be the card I choose for my new setup in the summer

What is the uk pricing gonna be? Looks like it'll be around 550-600?

 

[SASBehrooz]

as i expected .... Wonderful

 

[xorbe]

Don't bank on your 980Ti hitting and holding 1477 MHz like AnandTech, that's a ringer card. Or not tested for hours while gaming.

"Fans do not turn off in idle" -> honestly, I prefer all fans to remain spinning but slowly. Things cook with zero air flow.

 

[the54thvoid]

Don't bank on your 980Ti hitting and holding 1477 MHz like AnandTech, that's a ringer card. Or not tested for hours while gaming.

Perhaps but W1zz also got a decent clock. Yet to check other reviews. Just gotta wait a few more weeks before I consider what to do. 3Gb is holding me back in some titles.

 

[HumanSmoke]

Perhaps but W1zz also got a decent clock.

So did ComputerBase (1437MHz)

Yet to check other reviews. Just gotta wait a few more weeks before I consider what to do.

Don't trust 'em...any of them. The inside scoop is that the GTX 980 Ti is just an upclocked GTX 980 (upclocked to 1000MHz from 1127+MHz !!!) - those extra cores, shader modules, cache - don't believe it! The proof is here

Spoiler

Can't buy insight like that. I thought that he really wouldn't be able to top the quote in my sig.

 

[the54thvoid]

So did ComputerBase (1437MHz)

Don't trust 'em...any of them. The inside scoop is that the GTX 980 Ti is just an upclocked GTX 980 (upclocked to 1000MHz from 1127+MHz !!!) - those extra cores, shader modules, cache - don't believe it! The proof is here

Spoiler

Can't buy insight like that. I thought that he really wouldn't be able to top the quote in my sig.

That's so far off base. And to think, you need to subscribe for that tosh. Whatever anyone thinks of Nvidia, its quite clear 980ti is not a cherry picked 980.

 

[Kaynar]

@W1zzard Why is the GTX Titan (not X) not in these graphs? Okey we all know that it stands near the GTX970 in performance , but with the new drivers that fix Kepler performance (and yeah I got at least 5fps buff in Witcher 3 on my Titan today) I would like to see how the Titan stands in the performance summary at my screen resolution (1440p)

 

[qubit]

[QUOTE="buildzoid, post: 3290051, member: 111437"]Coil whine has no relation to power draw it's related to the size of the core of the inductor and the switching frequency of the VRM. If I set my RIVE to switch at 850KHz I get coil whine at any other frequency there isn't any. So if the VRM was adjusted up or down by 50-100KHz you wouldn't have any coil whine.[/QUOTE]
You're wrong there about the power draw. Think about it, you effectively have a speaker there, which is why you get this effect. The stronger the input current/voltage the louder it gets and this is true of any system.

You're right that changing the mode of operation will change the noise though.

 

[64K]

Nice job Nvidia. I figured it would overclock better than the Titan X. 26% OC with a reference cooler. I wonder what the non reference cards with superior coolers will do. I hope a few companies will send samples here and W1zzard has time to bench them. June is a good month for gamers. Next we get to see what Fiji can do and at what price and also this month the Steam Summer Sale.

 

[GhostRyder]

Yeah, that's the thing. You are comparing 780Ti with the 970 which is bollocks. You should have compare it with the 980, because this was the initial competitor.
The problem is, nVidia improved the drivers for the 9xx series but they didn't do anything to improve the same for 7xx series.
This is callous by nVidia.

I agree with you, it seems as if NVidia has left the Kepler series behind effectively putting some pressure on people to upgrade.

Nice job Nvidia. I figured it would overclock better than the Titan X. 26% OC with a reference cooler. I wonder what the non reference cards with superior coolers will do. I hope a few companies will send samples here and W1zzard has time to bench them. June is a good month for gamers. Next we get to see what Fiji can do and at what price and also this month the Steam Summer Sale.

I am actually disappointed it does not overclock more, I was really hoping to be 1500mhz+ but I was apparently dreaming. From the few I have seen though I am wondering what the average will be.

A friend of mine himself recently bought two Titan X's at retail value (by recent I mean well over 30 days). He's regretting his purchase really badly now

Well that's disappointing but he should have at least known the card was coming soon as we have been talking about it for quite some time and predicting this launch. However I agree this is a very shocking price point to release the card at because it basically is 35% cheaper for <10% performance difference. Quite a shock actually, I had my money set on $750+.

Either way, I look forward to some custom versions of this card as those could end up making something real special. I really wish NVidia would put a little more onto the power delivery system of the card and give us a little more headroom on the reference cards. These cards could do so much better...

 

[Kaynar]

Quite a shock actually, I had my money set on $750+.

$650 MSRP? wait for a $750+ price at launch, and a 800 Euros price in Europe (that almost 1000 dollars) - which is still much less than the current 1100-1300 euros for a Titan X

 

[64K]

I am actually disappointed it does not overclock more, I was really hoping to be 1500mhz+ but I was apparently dreaming. From the few I have seen though I am wondering what the average will be.

Still, it's a lot better than the Titan X pitiful OC of 11% and hitting the thermal limit of 84 degrees and dialing the clocks back anyway. It's possible that W1zzard just got a bum card because some other reviewers got more from it but if that's the case then somebody at Nvidia is stupid. They should test the GPUs going to reviewers to make sure they perform well.

This 980 Ti is just needing some loving from MSI/EVGA/Gigabyte/Asus. I wonder what the price will be though. Maybe closer to $700 especially if they are scarce. The Titan X was supposed to retail for $1,000 but even now it sells for $1,050-$1,100 on Newegg.

 

[buildzoid]

[QUOTE="buildzoid, post: 3290051, member: 111437"]Coil whine has no relation to power draw it's related to the size of the core of the inductor and the switching frequency of the VRM. If I set my RIVE to switch at 850KHz I get coil whine at any other frequency there isn't any. So if the VRM was adjusted up or down by 50-100KHz you wouldn't have any coil whine.

You're wrong there about the power draw. Think about it, you effectively have a speaker there, which is why you get this effect. The stronger the input current/voltage the louder it gets and this is true of any system.

You're right that changing the mode of operation will change the noise though.[/QUOTE]
Sure the loudness is related to power draw but a 500A with the same core sizes and switching frequency you will still get the same amount of noise as a 250A design with the same design flaws because the force creating the noise will not have decreased in the slightest. IDK why no manufacturer hasn't tried putting a dip switch on a GPU that would change VRM frequencies by a couple KHz.

 

[Frick]

Coil whine is pervasive across both vendors and numerous AIB designs. Eradicating it is something approaching the search for the Holy Grail.

 

[Casecutter]

Predictable humdrum... 20% faster than a GTX980, and costs ~19% more over the original 980's MSRP $550.

It's the GTX980 being reduced to $500 that feels more telling. Given the $150 opening might we almost anticipate still another GM200 soon?

 

[Rivage]

+18% vs me. I think i'll skip it.