NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4080 Founders Edition

[rhaoul]

I don't understand this kind of prices... this is the end...

 

[Flydommo]

Technically impressive, much less so pricewise. I hope for AMD's 7900XTX to be highly competitive and putting on some pressure on Nvidia's exaggerated pricing.

 

[neatfeatguy]

Yes, it is now .. I checked Newegg yesterday ..and yes I was like "WTF" too

I understand that you're basing the price of newegg, but it's not newegg that's selling those cards at these prices, it's 3rd parties that are just scalping (it's on the stupid consumer's shoulders if they're wanting to pay that price).

If retailers actually start jacking up pricing (Best Buy, Micro Center, Newegg, Amazon, etc) like they eventually did with Ampere and RDNA2 then I'd agree with you that pricing is up and you should mark things accordingly then.

My two cents: Just because it's hard to find a card at normal MSRP, doesn't mean the cards are selling more than they are listed for by retailers and I find it in poor taste to state otherwise....it feels disingenuous.

 

[ymdhis]

Could we combine all these reviews into a single article? It looks so silly when one videocards reviews take up 3-4 pages on the main page.

 

[W1zzard]

I understand that you're basing the price of newegg, but it's not newegg that's selling those cards at these prices, it's 3rd parties that are just scalping (it's on the stupid consumer's shoulders if they're wanting to pay that price).

If retailers actually start jacking up pricing (Best Buy, Micro Center, Newegg, Amazon, etc) like they eventually did with Ampere and RDNA2 then I'd agree with you that pricing is up and you should mark things accordingly then.

My two cents: Just because it's hard to find a card at normal MSRP, doesn't mean the cards are selling more than they are listed for by retailers and I find it in poor taste to state otherwise....it feels disingenuous.

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I guess I could change it to $2100

 

[Deleted member 177333]

Ah, these chuckle-worthy prices. I'll pick up a used 4090 when they're under $1k in a couple years. Beyond that, they can rot.

 

[Space Lynx]

I am impressed with the power efficiency of the 4080, but at $1200 I will pass on this. At $999 I probably would have tried, doesn't matter, it will sell out tomorrow and most of you who try to get it won't be able to anyway. lol

we live in a new world now, filled with bots and greedy third party sellers, they exist in droves these days.

 

[Upgrayedd]

RTX 4090 & 53 Games: Ryzen 7 5800X vs Ryzen 7 5800X3D Review

How much performance can you gain with Ryzen 7 5800X3D over the non-3DV Cache Ryzen 7 5800X when using the mighty GeForce RTX 4090? Our review has the answer, we test 53 games at three resolutions.

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"HUGE"

Is +30% not huge? Then on top of that the 13900K is even faster than the 5800X3D.. don't really see the point of linking your own article that shows over 30% gains in multiple titles at 1440p then mocking a user's adjective describing your own article.

Publishing GPU reviews with a clear CPU bottleneck tells me much less about ALL these GPUs than it should.

 

[medi01]

it's 3rd parties that are just scalping

That was the excuse used to explain, why there was no $999 2080Ti. And then, on 3000 series presentation, The Leather Man himself admitted it was $1200.

So, while it is true, that we cannot rule out scalping, we also have no idea what the "real" MSRP is. Especially with this info in mind:

You cannot expect AIB who works at below 10% gross margin, if sold at MSRP, to sell at MSRP.

 

[Valantar]

You cannot expect AIB who works at below 10% gross margin, if sold at MSRP, to sell at MSRP.

Exactly. And considering something as cheap to run as retail typically requires gross margins above 10% to break even, you can only imagine the types of margins needed to break even for a company doing design, extremely complex industrial production, and distribution of products.

 

[Dux]

View attachment 270053Italy, now, including 22% VAT.

Cheapest prices here in Croatia with 25% VAT. PC gaming is officially for rich people.

 

[Dr. Dro]

With the exception of improved encoding, no. The 4000 series is pointless if you don’t need that or literally have money to burn.

The funny thing is that Turing/Ampere's encoder is more than enough for streaming services for the time being. Unless you're really interested in AV1 for personal reasons but if you just want video, Arc A380 can deliver that at a fraction of the cost.

Cheapest prices here in Croatia with 25% VAT. PC gaming is officially for rich people.

No one will need an Ada card to enjoy games for the coming years, even. Just wait for AMD's lineup, it's sensible unlike Nvidia's this time around. I'm one of the guys that with a little effort, I can afford a 4090 without financing it. I just... don't see the point. Ada represents something I really do not like.

 

[Vario]

Technically impressive, much less so pricewise. I hope for AMD's 7900XTX to be highly competitive and putting on some pressure on Nvidia's exaggerated pricing.

It will probably be the same: crazy price at launch but will drop.

That was the excuse used to explain, why there was no $999 2080Ti. And then, on 3000 series presentation, The Leather Man himself admitted it was $1200.

So, while it is true, that we cannot rule out scalping, we also have no idea what the "real" MSRP is. Especially with this info in mind:

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You cannot expect AIB who works at below 10% gross margin, if sold at MSRP, to sell at MSRP.

The more you buy, the more you save!

 

[Roph]

Priced into irrelevance

 

[Valantar]

Maybe someone at Nvidia is running a massive scale experiment to see just how long they can keep all those old GTX 1060s in service?

 

[bobmeix]

@W1zzard
Another small typo on the conclusion page.

"NVIDIA is betting big with on ray tracing with GeForce RTX 4080." An extra "with"?!

 

[medi01]

Maybe someone at Nvidia is running a massive scale experiment to see just how long they can keep all those old GTX 1060s in service?

I am seeing a number of "4090 is great value", "glad I bought 4090" comments.

So maybe that was the intent, make products below halo so terrible, that not so great halo price is suddenly a bargain and people will jump a tier...

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

I don't understand this kind of prices... this is the end...

There are a few things to keep in mind. The first is that the cost of making cards has gone up massively since the late 90s and early 2000s. These are much more complex to make and require tons of materials. The constant demand for fancier graphics and physics was always going to result in rising costs. The next issue is that in capitalism you must continue to grow and make more profit or you fail. Once prior inflated prices were done there was no going back. The last is that nVidia is the premium brand here and they must charge more than AMD and not lower prices in response to keep that position and perception in the market.

This all just moving us faster to the era where cloud streaming companies are going to buy up these sort of things and then recoup the money on service fees and game sales. This is already the model for Xbox and Sony where the hardware is sold at a massive loss for a long time but the money comes from the games and service fees.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

I don't understand this kind of prices... this is the end...

Well, see there’s this thing called hyperinflation. It’s what happens when every government on earth thinks printing over 50% of all their currency in 18 months is a good idea.
There’s also this thing called debt, your average gaming consoomer is a total idiot who will take out debt for almost anything, go look at the sheer amount of credit debt and buy now pay later debt has been racked up in the last year.
Combine them together with corporate greed and ever more expensive process modes and…..

 

[N/A]

It's funny how Nvda filled the 4070 Ti spot with GA104, not leaving room for anything between the 4080's. like a more cut down GA103. Now GA104 will be 4 different cards 4060/70 and the Ti versions. How come GA103 can't do that and the intent to keep force feeding the 30 series at 2 year old srp is outrageous. 4060 or 3070 Ti, I don't want the old thing.

 

[mechtech]

No dp2. Sorry no deal.

well good sign that TSMC node is good. Main issue with price and strength of greenback. Going to make these way more expensive in other countries.

Well, see there’s this thing called hyperinflation. It’s what happens when every government on earth thinks printing over 50% of all their currency in 18 months is a good idea.
There’s also this thing called debt, your average gaming consoomer is a total idiot who will take out debt for almost anything, go look at the sheer amount of credit debt and buy now pay later debt has been racked up in the last year.
Combine them together with corporate greed and ever more expensive process modes and…..

I would q it up to corps wanting to keep their over inflated covid pricing and profits. Mining boom didn’t help and all the fools (like you mentioned) paying those prices didn’t help either.

 

[Legacy-ZA]

This series is a complete letdown, and then there is the bamboozlement between the different models that goes with it... yeah, scumbag of a company.

Vote with your wallet folks

 

[Garrus]

It isn't energy efficient. At full usage, it draws identical power to the 3080. Nothing has changed. Ridiculous point of view imo.

The 4080 is a '70 class die in size, and not expensive to make either. It's total greed. Sorry NVidia, mining is over. Wake up.

A $600 product for $1200 is a sad joke. We might have been ok with $800, but nothing more.

I am seeing a number of "4090 is great value", "glad I bought 4090" comments.

So maybe that was the intent, make products below halo so terrible, that not so great halo price is suddenly a bargain and people will jump a tier...

Basically, like the iPhone 14 Pro. I came back to Apple with the X and XR, and now their phones are ridiuclously priced. I offered $1500 CAD for a used iPhone and the guy laughed at me and said no. Snapdragon + Oneplus, here I come.

There are a few things to keep in mind. The first is that the cost of making cards has gone up massively since the late 90s and early 2000s. These are much more complex to make and require tons of materials. The constant demand for fancier graphics and physics was always going to result in rising costs. The next issue is that in capitalism you must continue to grow and make more profit or you fail. Once prior inflated prices were done there was no going back. The last is that nVidia is the premium brand here and they must charge more than AMD and not lower prices in response to keep that position and perception in the market.

This all just moving us faster to the era where cloud streaming companies are going to buy up these sort of things and then recoup the money on service fees and game sales. This is already the model for Xbox and Sony where the hardware is sold at a massive loss for a long time but the money comes from the games and service fees.

Not true. They use the same TSMC process as your CPUs. CPUs are not getting more expensive. The 5800X right now is crazy cheap and the 7700X is about to be cheaper also. CPU and GPU pricing should be in lockstep.

 

[LifeOnMars]

 

[Ayhamb99]

It isn't energy efficient. At full usage, it draws identical power to the 3080. Nothing has changed. Ridiculous point of view imo.

What do you mean it isn't energy efficient? If it draws the identical power to the 3080 but also being around 30% or so faster, it means it consumes less watts per frame compared to the 3080 which shows an improvement in efficiency.