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NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 Series GPUs with Missing ROPs Sold as B-Stock at German Retailer

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A German retailer has listed NVIDIA GeForce RTX 50 series GPUs with missing ROPs as B-stock, reigniting discussions about the previously reported issue. We first reported the problem in February, which affects multiple Blackwell-based GPUs, including the RTX 5090, RTX 5080, and RTX 5070 Ti. These cards were found to have fewer ROPs (Render Output Units) than advertised, leading to up to 11% performance loss in certain applications. At the time, NVIDIA acknowledged the issue, claiming that only 0.5% of the supply was affected, and worked with retailers to offer replacements for affected buyers. However, not all defective units were returned to manufacturers. Instead, some are now being resold as B-stock, typically indicating returned or refurbished items with minor defects.

One such listing on Alternate, a German retailer, features the ZOTAC GeForce RTX 5090 SOLID OC with only 168 active ROPs instead of the expected 176. Despite the reduced specifications, the card is priced at €2,899—the same as the fully functional version. Another similar B-stock listing is available at the same price, while a third unit with additional packaging damage is priced slightly lower at €2,799. Unlike the initial retail period when buyers could exchange these GPUs, the B-stock versions may not be eligible for replacement. However, under EU consumer protection laws, buyers can still return them within a limited timeframe. While NVIDIA has ensured that no affected notebook models were shipped, the resale of desktop variants as B-stock suggests that some retailers opted not to return them to manufacturers. Currently, no other B-stock RTX 50 series models with missing ROPs have been spotted, but this development raises questions about how many such units may still be in circulation.

Update 14:30 UTC: According to Alternate clearing up the case for ComputerBase, the retailer didn't sell the GPU as a B-stock, but instead the listing occurred as an error, that got listed from a customer return. "We have, of course, withdrawn the graphics card in question from sale. Some internal processes run automatically, where errors can occur," said Alternate for ComputerBase. The company by no means planned to deceive customers or anything else.



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I thought Nvidia said they investigated themselves and did nothing wrong said it was rare?
 
I thought European laws were stricter regarding online scams.
Jensen really stepped up the scamming game with the 5070=4090 scheme.

simon cowell facepalm GIF
 
That's very Eco-concious of Europe - rather than returning the cards to be shredded as damaged goods, we're gonna use every last one of them, no matter how crippled it is! They could even put a premium price on them, because they are ultra rare SKUs:

"Be the member of the 0.5% group!"
 
I thought Nvidia said they investigated themselves and did nothing wrong said it was rare?
There’s a total of three cards for sale. Do you consider that a large quantity?
 
Maybe ZOTAC will buying out it... No? It supposed to be returned back to them.
 
"B-stock" with no price reduction :kookoo: , 50 series is a joke at every level, stock levels, price, ROPS, burning cables/connectors, MSRP,black screens, driver issues, the list goes on, long may it continue cause Nvidia don't give a flying fk about consumer GPU's anymore, that's why there is no stock, release a few 1000 cards to appease the sheep and the rest is going to AI and data centre customers
 
Well, used market is going to be a mess in the future right?

It is already a mess today, prices are totally out of whack. :laugh:
 
Jensen really stepped up the scamming game with the 5070=4090 scheme.
A CEO from the "wrong" team makes a vaguely shaky PR claim, the internet predictably loses its mind. Nothing to see here, move along ;)

The real scam and story is the gall of this retailer to price these units the same or very close to real ones. When I saw the headline, my 1st thought was, "hey, if they drop the price 15-20% south of MSRP that could be interesting". But, ummm, nope....in 2025 the real scalpers are the official resellers.
 
Real high end consumers will be killed at the hands of Coroporates like NVIDIA and partners. Why NVIDIA does not mess with high end AI graphic because NVIDIA Ass will be kicked with huge fine by another corporate.
 
I am utterly baffled. So selling B-stock/factory seconds I can understand because, well, products sometimes have defects and there's no sense letting them go entirely to waste.

But selling B-stock at the same retail price as A-stock...? Is there something I'm missing here? Why would anyone buy these?!
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I am utterly baffled. So selling B-stock/factory seconds I can understand because, well, products sometimes have defects and there's no sense letting them go entirely to waste.

But selling B-stock at the same retail price as A-stock...? Is there something I'm missing here? Why would anyone buy these?!
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At a guess .................. because people can't buy A stock in many/most places, sad I know.
 
it seems


which points to https://www.alternate.de/ZOTAC/GeForce-RTX-5090-SOLID-OC-Grafikkarte/html/product/100123661

It's very important to name which scalpernate (the nick german forum users gave this shop) is affected. This time is .de which sells only to .de.

This is not B-Ware / most likely engl. call it B-Stock.

It's a defective product with a hidden defect and therefore full RMA.

full RMA because = this item shows sign of wear but is fully functionable. That card is not fully functionable.

picture from the url i provided above

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Other shop sell b-ware when a computer case has scratches, the box is damaged or missing, or parts are missing.
 
As a 5080 12GB owner, I approve of crippled hardware. I got mine for a good price, and there is something about hardware that the majority hates that draws me to it :ohwell:
 
The B stands for "Busted".
 
If the retailer (Alternate) isnt clearly stating that these card have missiong ROPs then what they are doing I would havr thought is illegal under EU law. But the bigger question is, WTF arent these cards being sent back to the manufacturer..? or is there some other SCAM going on here.

And it seems the retailer go windo of the blow back, as I can't seem to find any b-stock 5000 series cards on there now..
 
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Perhaps the shops know there’s very little cards coming down the line, so they might as well hold on to these - with scarcity even the undesirable items sell sooner or later.

There was a lot of focus lately on how “stock has improved, cards are available almost everywhere” - but it’s till a very small number of cards, and they are available and in stock precisely because people aren’t buying them at scalper prices. I mean, a brick and mortar shop nearby has a basic RTX 5080 that they got soon after the launch for about 1650 EUR, and since then they added a couple other models for progressively higher prices, but the award must go to this card (not available, but the price, the price!):

Grafična kartica nVidia RTX5080 PNY Epic-X OC - 16GB GDDR7 (GCPN-107) - E-misija.png
 
The crocodile jacket made a ridiculous claim, such as 'the 5070 has the performance of the 4090,' which is entirely untrue in any conceivable reality. It's like agreeing to purchase a car that boasts 400 km/h on the speedometer, but in reality, can only reach 160 km/h.

I fixed it for you. What I don't understand is why retailers simply don't RMA the product.

My guess is that the process might take too long, and they prefer to seize the opportunity to use the capital of uninformed buyers to keep the company's cash flow going.
 
I fixed it for you.
Your attempt at being humourous is appreciated, though perhaps don't give up your daytime job yet ;)

As for "conceivable reality" it's very easy to demonstrate that 5070 indeed has the performance of 4090. You can simply have a gander at some benchmarks. The fact that it comes with heavy caveats, such as MFG and latency, is the part where PR bullshit kicks in. But as far as these things go, it's really nothing to write home about.

I'm really sorry if this is the first time you encountered such a nefarious scheme. It must've been a shock! Word of advice though: instead of tilting at windmills the next time, perhaps it’d be wiser to direct your angst at targets which are much more deserving, such as the aforementioned resellers.
 
As for "conceivable reality" it's very easy to demonstrate that 5070 indeed has the performance of 4090. You can simply have a gander at some benchmarks. The fact that it comes with heavy caveats, such as MFG and latency, is the part where PR bullshit kicks in. But as far as these things go, it's really nothing to write home about.

You surely mean the other way around - it is very easy to demonstrate that RTX 5070 does not have the performance of RTX 4090, and you can only equate them after the heavy caveats - latency at MFG is I think even the smaller of the problems, image quality degradation because you're watching the guessed frames most of the time instead of calculated ones is a much higher in my view.
 
and you can only equate them after the heavy caveats
That's what Jensen did though. He literally said "it's only possible with the power of AI".

Do I agree with him? No. Do I think FG / MFG should be used in performance graphs? No. Would I have made the same statement as CEO of Nvidia? No.

But I guess that's why im sitting home watching him while he is up there.
 
Truth be told, Jensen could go on stage, show us wipe board and erase pens and all the fun we can have with that - because Nvidia now makes serious server hardware that will be the backbone of AI revolution, not toys…

People are still somehow expecting stock of gaming cards will magically improve, prices will magically fall and all will be well again - although there are all the signs the opposite is happening. DeepSeek scare did nothing to slow the purchase of AI accelerators, and by the marketing this is just the beginning. And continuing records in revenue from AI show they are on the right path.
 
I thought European laws were stricter regarding online scams.
Jensen really stepped up the scamming game with the 5070=4090 scheme.

simon cowell facepalm GIF
What do you mean? It's not a scam for a retailer to sell 5090 for 5400 EUR price point(baseprice btw). This is totally fair.
 
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