NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5070 Ti Allegedly Scores 16.6% Improvement Over RTX 4070 Ti SUPER in Synthetic Benchmarks

[Ufasas]

eehh, 4070 ti S seemed like a good bargain for months, and recently they started upping their prices in all websites, what cunts... and i thought 729.- price of 5070 ti is real, and it's another good deal, possibly on par with 4070ti S, so whichever cheaper, grab it..., but no "don't believe what you read, don't believe what they say", is the moto, nothing gonna be cheap

 

[LittleBro]

MSRP prices are bullshit. Placeholders. They just affect review fps/$ ratio. It's unreal. Get used to it. RTX 5070 Ti retailing for $729 is once huge wet dream.

RTX 5070 Ti has MSRP of $749, RTX 4070 Ti MSRP had $799. I've seen RTX 4070 Ti selling for $900-1,600 incl. 20% VAT.
In other words, RTX 5070 Ti, according to reviews based on Nvidia's MSRP, will beat RTX 4070 Ti, because it costs $50 less and has roughly ~17% more performance.
The only problem is that RTX 5070 Ti will not be selling for less than $1,100k incl. VAT, to be honest expect $1,200-1,300 or more.

Assuming RTX 4070 Ti retails for $900, RTX 5070 Ti needs to retail for around $1,050 to have perf./price ratio on par with RTX 4070 Ti.

For those, who expect RTX cards to ever sell in MSRP prices: never happened with RTX 2000 series, nor with 3000 series, nor with 4000 series and will not happen with 5000 series.

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[Bwaze]

For those, who expect RTX cards to ever sell in MSRP prices: never happened with RTX 2000 series, nor with 3000 series, nor with 4000 series and will not happen with 5000 series.

That's not entirely true. At least not for the cheaper brands - various MSI, Asus etc theoretically have models at MSRP, but they were always more expensive here, even when cheaper brands could be had for normal prices.

RTX 2000 series came out after crypto crash and was widely available for MSRP - but the MSRP was very high to begin with, and market was flooded with cheap used mining GTX 1080 Ti and other cards. It sold very bad, and Nvidia actually had quite a revenue crash.

RTX 3080 and 3090 came right when the new crypto wave was starting - but prices didn't surge right away, I could buy a basic Zotac RTX 3080 in November 2020 for 920 EUR, with MSRP at about 840 EUR here - so only about 10% more. But it went to stratosphere from there - for a while. In early 2021 crypto crashed, but high prices remained for months, but then they went down, and in 2022 you could get cards below MSRP, and official MSRP of RTX 3090 Ti was lowered from $2000 several times, at the end it was $1200 and was selling even cheaper.

RTX 4000 cards also arrived overpriced, and didn't sell well even at MSRP - I didn't follow lower models, but you could always get dozens of RTX 4080 at MSRP - but nobody wanted to. When RTX 4080 Super arrived at $999 it was actually sold here for that after initial rush, and after a while even below that. RTX 4090 was starting to go up in price, allegedly because AI users were grabbing them - but they were always available here - I think Nvidia artificially lowered the number of cards produced, price went up, and nobody bought them - but it didn't matter, Nvidia had lots of other revenue to shift around.

And here we are, with record AI server revenue that Nvidia can use as they see fit, show how "Gaming and AI PC" (there is no Gaming sector any more) is at record high - all the while no gamers are actually buying cards?

It's worse than cryptomadness - Nvidia was a bit ashamed of doing that. But AI they can fully embrace, it's the future! It's got electrolytes! It's what plants crave!

 

[LittleBro]

That's not entirely true. At least not for the cheaper brands - various MSI, Asus etc theoretically have models at MSRP, but they were always more expensive here, even when cheaper brands could be had for normal prices.

Well written, nothing more to add.

RTX 2000 series came out after crypto crash and was widely available for MSRP - but the MSRP was very high to begin with, and market was flooded with cheap used mining GTX 1080 Ti and other cards. It sold very bad, and Nvidia actually had quite a revenue crash.

RTX 2000 series were priced as if crypto fever was never gonna end. Pricing was purely intentional. Serves them right.

RTX 3080 and 3090 came right when the new crypto wave was starting - but prices didn't surge right away, I could buy a basic Zotac RTX 3080 in November 2020 for 920 EUR, with MSRP at about 840 EUR here - so only about 10% more. But it went to stratosphere from there - for a while. In early 2021 crypto crashed, but high prices remained for months, but then they went down, and in 2022 you could get cards below MSRP, and official MSRP of RTX 3090 Ti was lowered from $2000 several times, at the end it was $1200 and was selling even cheaper.

Same as above. Only about 10% more is still more than MSRP. With RTX 3000 series Nvidia finally shifted prices of low/mid/high tier cards. Since then prices are continuously going up.
RTX 3090 Ti was priced insanely. No one was purchasing it so they had no other choice but to lower the price. As for rest of the series, they were not sold at MSRP.

RTX 4000 cards also arrived overpriced, and didn't sell well even at MSRP - I didn't follow lower models, but you could always get dozens of RTX 4080 at MSRP - but nobody wanted to. When RTX 4080 Super arrived at $999 it was actually sold here for that after initial rush, and after a while even below that. RTX 4090 was starting to go up in price, allegedly because AI users were grabbing them - but they were always available here - I think Nvidia artificially lowered the number of cards produced, price went up, and nobody bought them - but it didn't matter, Nvidia had lots of other revenue to shift around.

Where exactly could one get dozens of RTX 4080 at MSRP? Definitely not in middle EU.

And here we are, with record AI server revenue that Nvidia can use as they see fit, show how "Gaming and AI PC" (there is no Gaming sector any more) is at record high - all the while no gamers are actually buying cards?

So Nvidia goes against basic principles of market? When demand is low, they raise prices?

It's worse than cryptomadness - Nvidia was a bit ashamed of doing that. But AI they can fully embrace, it's the future! It's got electrolytes! It's what plants crave!

Oh god, help us!

While Jensen said back in 2022 that high prices of GPUs are here to stay due to raising manufacturing costs, it remains a mystery how AMD can sell similarly sized dies made on same 5nm node at way lower prices and still with enough profit. To me it seems Jenses was testing gorunds with RTX 3000 series and saw people are stupid enough to buy anything. And we got new bar for prices since then, Nvidia keep raising margins. Jensen even tried to serve us RTX 4070 Ti obfuscated as RTX 4080 but after large boycott he reconsidered.

Thing is, performance (and compute units) gap is widening more and more but the price differences are not widening accordingly.

 

[medi01]

4070 ti S seemed like a good bargain

"Bargain" lol. A 20% slower card with 1.5 times less VRAM for the price of 7900XTX

"Buh reytreising" gimmick

 

[Bwaze]

Where exactly could one get dozens of RTX 4080 at MSRP? Definitely not in middle EU.

Some people don't realise that Nvidia and AIB stated MSRPs are never stated in Euros - because each country here has different VAT. Or they know, but never calculate how much this affects price.

So an RTX 4080 with MSRP of $1200 will be at least 1150 EUR + 19% in Germany, that's about 1370 EUR. The same card from the same shop, excluding shipping, would be brutal 1460 EUR in Hungary, due to 27% VAT!

Here's the price history for MSI GeForce RTX 4080 Ventus - not the cheapest card, basic one, but you could always find various Zotac, PNY, Gainward etc cheaper. But you can see it was more expensive than MSRP in first couple of months, and then it was actually cheaper from about March 2023 - not a lot, but it was. Lowest price, about 1170 EUR in October 2023 is actually 200 EUR below MSRP. It became more expensive in stores when Nvidia stopped producing them after they announced and launched RTX 4080 Super, so they became rare.

 

[Krit]

Nvidia launch as always

First shipment of GeForce RTX 5070 Ti not expected to be better than RTX 5090/5080 - VideoCardz.com

RTX 5070 Ti launch faces supply challenges and high pricing According to Channel Gate, initial shipments of the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti will not be overwhelmingly high. This means that customers planning a quick system upgrade and retailers expecting larger shipments may be disappointed. A source...

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[LittleBro]

Some people don't realise that Nvidia and AIB stated MSRPs are never stated in Euros - because each country here has different VAT. Or they know, but never calculate how much this affects price.

So an RTX 4080 with MSRP of $1200 will be at least 1150 EUR + 19% in Germany, that's about 1370 EUR. The same card from the same shop, excluding shipping, would be brutal 1460 EUR in Hungary, due to 27% VAT!

Here's the price history for MSI GeForce RTX 4080 Ventus - not the cheapest card, basic one, but you could always find various Zotac, PNY, Gainward etc cheaper. But you can see it was more expensive than MSRP in first couple of months, and then it was actually cheaper from about March 2023 - not a lot, but it was. Lowest price, about 1170 EUR in October 2023 is actually 200 EUR below MSRP. It became more expensive in stores when Nvidia stopped producing them after they announced and launched RTX 4080 Super, so they became rare.

What I see in that graph is that some shop had been actually selling RTX 4080 at nearly MSRP price for 2-3 extremely short periods (few days) during 2 years period. Which points to a fact that those periods when price was close to MSRP were most likely sales or some deals (% offs). Anyway, RTX 4080 is not a good example, as it was overpriced from the beginning, continued by RTX 4080S with MSRP of $200 less. So even Nvidia realized they fucked up the pricing on that one so badly, when you compare RTX 4090 for $1,599 vs. RTX 4080 for $1,199 by taking also their performance into account.

Nvidia launch as always

First shipment of GeForce RTX 5070 Ti not expected to be better than RTX 5090/5080 - VideoCardz.com

RTX 5070 Ti launch faces supply challenges and high pricing According to Channel Gate, initial shipments of the GeForce RTX 5070 Ti will not be overwhelmingly high. This means that customers planning a quick system upgrade and retailers expecting larger shipments may be disappointed. A source...

videocardz.com

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Yeah, artificial scarcity. AMD has thousands of RX 9070s already in stock at retailers since end of Dec 2024. Those cards are made in the same TSMC factory using roughly same enhanced 5nm (N4) node as Nvidia RTX 5000. The difference is the production distribution between "AI" shit and gaming shit. Big companies get chips for $20k each while gamers get only leftovers. Profit-wise, this approach is excellent. Wise thing would be to dump gaming GPUs completely and put all chips into AI, since that's where money is. But as a thanks to gamers who helped built Nvidia over those years before it got greedy as fuck, gamers are served leftovers. Even those leftovers are squeezed as much as possible.

This is not the first time that Nvidia tried to manipulate the market by artificial means (e.g. cutting production). Hardware scalpers actually exist because of such actions as Nvidia's - they are just a result of artificially created scarcity. Nvidia does not give a fuck whether GPU is bought by scalper or gamer. Once it's sold, there's profit and that's all that counts. So for those, who don't understand: scalping is a symptom of a bigger problem. Guess what problem ...

 

[Garrus]

So we did see the 35 percent improvement in perf/dollar. That excited me until I looked closely and all the benefits are at 4k only. 1080p results are very bad.

Problem is the 1080p results are awful, only 20 percent better in perf/dollar, not 35 percent better. This GPU is unbalanced with a large improvement to memory bandwidth but not enough GPU cores.

Without the price cut it would be especially dire.

Not impressed.

I want my video card to be faster at 1080p. Everyone is playing modern games at 1080p and upscaling them to 1440p or 4k.

Monster Hunter Rise for example. Avowed also.

Terrible. Skip.

Waiting for RTX 6000 series now. Or AMD.

Is this some alternative reality I am not aware of? 700 bucks was never and isn’t currently the tier where “top sellers” reside. The most popular cards from any vendor are in the 200-400 dollar bracket. This was always the case. The idea that a card starting at 750 dollars has universal mass appeal is lunacy.

If you want to play modern games at 1440p, you need a 5070 Ti imo. The slower cards than this are too slow. You also don't get enough VRAM.

RTX 5070 will be too slow to play 2025 games at 1440p and 90fps. That's too slow. Will also run out of VRAM if you play some games at 4k. RTX 5060 would be even worse.

Imo there is no point in building a computer and buying something slower than the 5070 Ti, you'll just be forced in to an early upgrade.

$750 for the GPU and $750 for the PC. $1500 USD is the normal price for a good gaming PC in 2025.