NVIDIA GeForce RTX 5090 Founders Edition

[Panther_Seraphin]

Mid to end of gen generally is best time to buy yeah.

Oh I know it is, I got a 6950XT near the end of its release for just over £500 which is ~50% of its RRP.

The fact people are going around going "Hey I got this GPU for a steal near the end of its life at 10% below RRP" just makes me sad that this is what we have to deal with now. I just had a look at the Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC details.

The LOWEST it ever went to was maybe 30% lower than its INSANE RRP at most and well above even the RRP of a Founder Edition at its lowest point, 18 months after release and this seems to be fairly standard acorss everything. If what we have to expect is basically the RRP of a card will be its RRP for its life then I can see why the high end gaming area is going to be limited to a select few because I cannot see many people willing to shell out £2-3k on a GPU every 4-6 years on top of everything else in a PC.

 

[x4it3n]

The 5090 is a great GPU, just (too) expensive.
The 4090 was just $100 more (~6.6% more expensive) but ~70% faster than the 3090
The 5090 is $400 more (25% more expensive) but around 30-40% faster than the 4090

If the 5090 was $1600 nobody would be complaining. But Nvidia are marketing DLSS 4 (MFG using AI) to set new "metrics" and blur the lines of Performance.

 

[Hyderz]

What's crazy is remembering the 3090ti launch around January of '22 with the expected release of the 40 series later that year. The 3090ti went for 2k USD and it was less than 10% greater than the 3090. I believe the consensus was that it was just binning to get the ti version. What a terrible deal that was

i thought the 3090ti got released because of RX6950xt

 

[Bwaze]

i thought the 3090ti got released because of RX6950xt

Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti got released in March 2022 for a MSRP of $ 2000 - but it was barely faster than RTX 3090 from September 2020, released for MSRP of $1500. Crypto fell by that time from the high in December 2021, but it kind of bounced around - but not for long, soon after release it crashed completely, ruining all ROI calculations of poor miners.

But it enabled Nvidia to release RTX 4080 for $ 1200 and RTX 4090 for $1600 - even here on TechPowerUP they wrote how RTX 4080 was good value compared to slower RTX 3090 Ti at $ 2000, or the scalped prices RTX 3080 was going for at the height of crypto...

 

[evernessince]

Nvidia RTX 3090 Ti got released in March 2022 for a MSRP of $ 2000 - but it was barely faster than RTX 3090 from September 2020, released for MSRP of $1500. Crypto fell by that time from the high in December 2021, but it kind of bounced around - but not for long, soon after release it crashed completely, ruining all ROI calculations of poor miners.

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But it enabled Nvidia to release RTX 4080 for $ 1200 and RTX 4090 for $1600 - even here on TechPowerUP they wrote how RTX 4080 was good value compared to slower RTX 3090 Ti at $ 2000, or the scalped prices RTX 3080 was going for at the height of crypto...

Nvidia has gotten very good at controlling the perception of it's products. They stopped 4000 series production prior to the 5000 series and drained the channel of stock precisely to make the 5000 series appear to be better value.

 

[Vayra86]

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Exactly. 'Muh fantastic FE'
Lmao. Gonna be nice for the lifetime of this product.

I keep harping on about the wall that silicon lithography has hit and people keep ignoring me, and then do surprised Pikachu faces when there is no efficiency gain generation-on-generation. Because efficiency, by and large, comes from the node size and that isn't getting appreciably smaller. If y'all are crying this hard about lack of generational performance uplift now, you're gonna be drowning in your tears for a long time, because there ain't any good solutions in sight in the next half-decade at best. Physics is a harsh mistress.

Zen X3D has convincingly shown you could not be more wrong about that.

And we know current GPUs doing RT have literally created an extra consumption hog to add to the power needed to reach X FPS. Similarly there will likely still be a gap between RDNA4, Intel Xe and Geforce even if they are baked on the same node.

You are being ignored on that point because its only 'right' in the moment where the monopolist stops truly innovating its hardware. Moore's Law is similarly dead until someone proves Huang wrong.

 

[AlonsoTy]

The performance gain doesn’t seem all that great for the major price increase.
I can guarantee these will be hitting 3K street price if not more especially with limited availability

for sure...
aready seen at 4k on e-bay...

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

Just noticed this.
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That’s… some interesting behavior from the Swarm Engine. Doesn’t show up on higher resolutions.

This seems to be too small of data to put enough load on the gpu problem.
that 4090 was probably the limit of the data amount the game engine puts out.
More data isn't available & the 5090 wants more data but gets nothing. doesn't seem to be a cpu problem it's common on some other games with the 4090 too below 1080p.
This would be like when people run 720p on the 4090 & it ends up below things like the 4080 or 4070.

 

[Vayra86]

Oh I know it is, I got a 6950XT near the end of its release for just over £500 which is ~50% of its RRP.

The fact people are going around going "Hey I got this GPU for a steal near the end of its life at 10% below RRP" just makes me sad that this is what we have to deal with now. I just had a look at the Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC details.

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The LOWEST it ever went to was maybe 30% lower than its INSANE RRP at most and well above even the RRP of a Founder Edition at its lowest point, 18 months after release and this seems to be fairly standard acorss everything. If what we have to expect is basically the RRP of a card will be its RRP for its life then I can see why the high end gaming area is going to be limited to a select few because I cannot see many people willing to shell out £2-3k on a GPU every 4-6 years on top of everything else in a PC.

'The cost of RT'

Next chapter:

'The lacking RT adoption rate'

 

[ratirt]

HWUB Steve was calling it 4090Ti on purpose. I mean, i see where he was coming from. 25% price bump for 26% average performance? Different sites different % performance increase but still not a lot of an increase and the price bump? The power draw is way higher as well. I must say, this does not look so good to me. Very average on the lower side of average and I'm being generous here.
I think this one is pretty bad and considering 5090's performance, I doubt we can expect huge differences gen to gen from the NV 5000 series lower tier cards. I'm kind of disappointed.
AMD you are up. lets see what you got. Odds are nothing groundbreaking really but lets just wait and see.

 

[Bwaze]

But it's perfectly in line with Jensen's Law:

"Moore's Law is dead … It's completely over, and so the idea that a chip is going to go down in cost over time, unfortunately, is a story of the past."