NVIDIA Moving Around the Fabled GeForce GTX TITAN II

[Xzibit]

All right so the current iteration of 4k GPUs is limited by the HDMI bandwidth. If it's lower quality, how lower? Couldn't the same be said for a lot of texture files because of compression? e.g. the whole id 5 megatexture getting consolotis debate.

No. It just wouldn't make sense to use HDMI on current 4k panels when DisplayPort can provide the bandwidth. That's why I said people have done stranger things. DP is right there. It also depends on the panel and your GPU connectors.

As far as textures. That will depend on the game devs if they want to up the quality of models and textures to coincide with 4k resolution. Don't expect a rapid transition since consoles are at 1080p PS4 and below ? X-Box One. Doubtful they are using optimize textures and models for there respected resolutions and adapting it to a higher resolution hasn't been the PC gaming industries strong suit with all the poor ports PC users end up settling for.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

if NVIDIA show up with something 1000$ and AMD offer 5% weaker for 600$ I think that would be one bed year for NVIDIA.
GF110 cost 500-600$, GK110 700-1000$, now people expect GM210 more than 1000$.

That's what I'm mostly afraid of, this trend leads to ever growing prices and if the GM200 is 1000-1500, then GM210 will be 1200-1700, then GP100 1500-2000, GP200 1700-2200, etc...

Ridiculous, isn't it?

Sadly, this is exactly what happens, we already "have" that piece of shit for $3000!!!

 

[Sony Xperia S]

nvidia,

if you are so stupid to not be able to produce high-end chips on normally priced manufacturing processes,

THEN, FOR GOD'D SAKE, DON'T DO IT, DON'T WASTE YOUR AND MORE IMPORTANTLY OUR TIME WITH YOUR SHITS!

 

[Fluffmeister]

Wow, what a bunch of cry babies.

 

[atticus14]

Thats quite a bit different, 7970 owners could easily OC their cards to GHz edition and I say many enthusiasts already enjoyed that well before GHz edition, Therefore no real reason for buyers remorse. The equivalent of that would be 780 owners unlocking the extra cores to "make" a 780ti.

It's kind of intentional what GPU vendors do. Shall I mention the 7970? No wait, it was gimped too so they could release a 7970 Ghz edition.

Or my i7 3930k is a gimped i7 3960? No, it's designed that way to create a product division.

Whether we like it or not, technology produced on nm processes will always allow vendors to sell products based on 'castrated' products to create a product series. The 7950/7970 or R9 290/R9 290x is the perfect example of this.

This isn't about nvidia dumping bad inventory, it's about a company making money by fusing cores and reducing costs on imperfect wafers. They both do it.

 

[bogami]

Many discussions. Why not think about Payday (game name do so). gogogo cards are waiting.

 

[badtaylorx]

One way to look at why they have product lines would be this.

They design the chip, then have them fabd. Not all chips come out rosie... So what they do to cut losses is disable the poorly performing cores and whatever is left becomes whatever performance category it falls under. The flagship (780ti, 580, 7970ghz) that comes at the end is just process maturazation.

 

[xenocide]

It's interesting seeing people complain about GPU and CPU prices every time around. It's usually directed towards Intel and Nvidia, because for the past 5 or so years they have had the highest end products--cherry picking at it's finest. Funny seeing people forget about the $1000+ single core FX line on socket 939 from AMD, or the fact that the HD7970 launched at about $600. The highest performing product always sets the price, and everyone else adjusts. AMD has done it, Nvidia has done it, Intel has done it, ATi and 3Dfx did it, it's the way hardware has always worked.

As for shipping "broken" parts, AMD was the company that neutered and shipped Phenom with the TLB issues well documented, so they hardly get a pass. They also currently have a flagship product that runs "as planned" at 90c+. The only reason AMD is so cost effective is because Intel and Nvidia have been regularly keeping them in check btw.

 

[Sony Xperia S]

The highest performing product always sets the price, and everyone else adjusts.

The R9 295X2, in the worst case, is on the same level of performance but yet you see 50% discount.

AMD, historically, has always been offering better products at their respective price points.

With their arrogant greed, nvidia did even lose Sony Playstation 4 and the Microsoft's console orders.

 

[xenocide]

The R9 295X2, in the worst case, is on the same level of performance but yet you see 50% discount.

AMD, historically, has always been offering better products at their respective price points.

It also runs hotter than the sun, uses more power, and is only priced that way because Nvidia beat them to that performance tier. They intentionally undercut them heavily to try and grab as many consumers as possible. Nvidia definitely priced the Titan Z and Titan Black eggregiously, but at launch the Titan was a top tier product undeniably, and should have been marketed as a cut down Tesla product. AMD had no problem selling the HD7970 (non-GHz) for $600 when Nvidia hadn't gotten Kepler out yet. Once the GTX680 dropped for $500 the price on the HD7970 plummeted (to about $550, then $480, then I think about $400).

With their arrogant greed, nvidia did even lose Sony Playstation 4 and the Microsoft's console orders.

Jesus, this argument never ends. Nvidia didn't want that market. The profit margins were almost non-existant and they were paying more to fabs than they were making. AMD is barely making money off those consoles, despite them selling at record paces. It's easy to look and see AMD moving more parts and assume it bodes well for business, but that's not always the case when you're selling your products at razor thin profit margins.

 

[Sempron Guy]

lol I think their marketting for the first Titan was fine. That card sold like hot cakes.

I'm referring to the Titan Z but I always thought the entire Geforce Titan line is falsely marketed and it went back to nvidia pretty hard with the Titan Z. The first Titans sold fine alright until the similarly performing 780s comes out for less money. I had my fair list of friends who jump in to the Titan bandwagon who doesn't even do a hint of compute tasks who shouted foul when the 780 came out.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

I'm referring to the Titan Z but I always thought the entire Geforce Titan line is falsely marketed and it went back to nvidia pretty hard with the Titan Z. The first Titans sold fine alright until the similarly performing 780s comes out for less money. I had my fair list of friends who jump in to the Titan bandwagon who doesn't even do a hint of compute tasks who shouted foul when the 780 came out.

sure, but that's what happens in tech industry.

The Titan brand name is is like Intels Extreme line imo. Though I do think Nvidia should not market the Titan line as gaming cards like they have been. Really they are a do everything card. Offer some of the best gaming performance, while also being a cheaper option for developers and professionals who need the compute performance.