30870 is the worst case scenario (and even then if you look at Forspoken, it's still fine).
With Ada, only 4060 and 4060 Ti come with 8GB VRAM, everything else gets 12-24. Since 4060 is not meant to push 4k or maxxed out QHD, I still don't get why people use "Nvidia doesn't offer enough VRAM" as a blanket statement.
Just no. Sorry but its truly time to leave your old notions at the door on this subject. This train was underway and it has now arrived at 'my VRAM is insufficient just a single gen later' for Ampere cards in the midrange. Then we got Ada with samey VRAM relative to core power, and people keep saying this is fine.
The logic is off entirely. Im sure you can tweak settings, fantastic, but it doesnt change a thing: people buy cards that are brutally underpowered for way too much money in Ada.
You do you... I know I wont. But stop living in denial when there are various examples AT LAUNCH of a new gen that simply get crushed by VRAM caps while they could run the game fine in every other way. You can play at lower settings. It doesnt change facts. 8GB is shit.
Also about what you could expect on a card... I ran 3440x1440 on bloody x80 Pascal. Of course you can and should be able to max most games at 1440p on these cards. What are you on about?! And even thén, tweaking stuff left and right, you will find games that just won't be satisfactory any longer, much like I did recently.
That's not a massive improvement, it's just 10fps on average. It does better with the occasional dip, but that's expected when you pick titles that don't fit into VRAM.
This is where we disagree. I can go from Ultra/Very high textures to just High to fix a VRAM issue. But if I don't have the shading or RT horse power, I'm screwed.
This is a crazy argument that even counters what you, yourself are saying about these cards: that they 'run out of juice' for whatever res because of lacking core power just the same as they do on VRAM. This test shows you, they don't, there is in fact a lot of untapped core power, that just doesn't get a chance to show itself without >8GB.
Similarly, for RT - Callisto Protocol's example even at 1080p + RT shows a serious lead for the 16GB equipped RX6800, while at 1440p with RT the Ampere card falls apart completely. It has the shading/RT horse power! It lacks the VRAM.
This also puts a different lens on the idea that games are not released with features or quality settings that cards cannot run. You
could run these settings on a 12GB midrange card. But not an 8GB one that is otherwise identical. If you own an 8GB card in 2023, you're in that shitty corner no developer wants to wait for any longer. Consoles have more, and an ever growing amount of GPUs will have more as time passes, even within the current gen, as RDNA2 cards with more are still out there selling, while the 8GB cards that have been there since 2016 (!) are slowly checking out.
Also - and yes, I know, this is clearly just the maximum load on it - I have to say that in virtually every new'ish game I get into now, I'm seeing well north of 10GB in use. Every 8GB card will be that much harder pushed on its L2 and its overall bandwidth in every game going forward. Even thát incurs a performance penalty all on its own, even if it won't stutter. That is probably part of the reason the x60 isn't going places performance wise relative to Ampere - Ampere has a lot more bandwidth. Another side effect of lacking VRAM / bw is that engines dynamically adjust quality of assets on the fly now, so you will have more pop in too even if you do keep the frames. Darktide is a good example... I played that on an 8GB 1080, and had blurry textures left and right, while frames were good. On the 20GB card, those issues are gone.
Also, no mention of the removal of microstuttering?
Did you not read the techspot review? As an example: callisto protocol. Going from ultra to ultra +RT, the 3070 went from dead even with the 6800 to more then a generation BEHIND the 6800. With RT.
